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Dattebayo Ship - 458/459 (Patreon)

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Raheem Mcdermott

I feel like it's been forever since the last shippuden update lol.

Yumaaa

ooooooo shi

Loiu99

Madara was to strong and they needed kaguya to introduce into boruto

Jason Rae

I request not to skip episode 469 even though it's a filler...pleaseee

Surya

no one can fight the plot device no jutsu

solan

black zetsu is the main villian, yes it laughable and many ppl absolutly hate it (for good reason)

issaBlue

This is where some ppl, during the time of when this episode released, discussed about not really liking the ending stages of Naruto, ultimately leading INTO Boruto story cause its like, bruh...how they gonna do Madara like that lol "Black Zetsu is the ultimate villain! woah!!!" lol like cmon bruh friggen Black Zetsu

Ayman Alkordi

Sasuke has teleportation jutsu that’s why she can’t just leave them in another dimension

kilo

Boruto pretty good

Raden

Very curious to see their opinion on the ending of the war arc

KevUrb

Kaguya with the domain expansion. Also just noticed is Kaguya’s VA a certain Yonkou?

Martin G

469 you'll love it

EnzoTorales

At the end I was feeling like I was not watching Naruto anymore like the author dint know what to do with the history anymore, it’s a shame cuz Naruto use to have goat potential.

JustRojo

I literally just picked that up right now watching it bahahaha crazyyyy too funny

Percy

Sasuke’s rinnegan allows him to teleport (and swap places with objects correct me if I’m wrong) every few minutes.

JustRojo

I felt the same way Ron did about this episode and a lot of my friends who’re big Naruto fans said the same thing… I’ve seen Boruto but my stance on this hasn’t changed , just because like man even if Kaguya was the end goal (sureeee) but Black Zetsu manipulating all these events I was not a fan of as much but it is what it is sooo too late to complain about it now hahaha

Amadou Sagna

yea fr I think Michelle gonna leave ron if she watches that eps and marry Kakashi loll

Kesendo

Don't skip the filler from 464-468 It's Ashura and Indra's backstory

Ahkenaton Furdge

she didn't die, she's immortal. she was sealed

Timothy Clayton

Okay the upcoming eps will elaborate more on this ending arc, but do not forget there's one last fight that wrapped up this show too nice and right after please watch The Last before completing Naruto series. It's highly important to do so.

RedEyeItachi

Kaguya backstory is filler and I believe it hasn’t happened yet so u can watch it in the future when u get to it

RedEyeItachi

Her backstory is also very much criticized by the community cuz it is filler and Boruto’s cannon has made a lot of her backstory complicated and not make sense

kkloyd

Kaguya’s story , powers and as villian are all really got controversial debates. But the point is not killing her or even injure(it’s practically impossible) but to seal her, its kinda easier even than sealing of reanimated folks, i mean process of sealing

botanbutton

✨Unpopular opinion: Madara's bitch ass getting got by an inhuman immortal goddess lady mom made my heart warm tbh. 😌 He may have been an awesome & strong shinobi but he was just as idealistic as Hashirama, and gullible too. He got what he deserved and he deserved it more than anyone else. 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣 ✨On what Michelle is saying: I get what you're saying. In order to end the cycle, you gotta break the cycle. And that means starting with the source. She was plotting as soon as she was sealed so somebody has to end her for real (and make sure she stays ended).

botanbutton

classic shounen power creep; also how is the ultimate villain Black Zetsu?....it's Kaguya.

RikudoRyan

I'm one of a few that absolutely love this plot twist. Not CRAZY about the retcon but I don't mind it. However, I'm not going to spend ages trying to combat everyone's opinions on it, I'll just counter one thing that Ron says so that he can understand more. Ron: "why doesn't she just leave them in another dimension and continue on with her plan?" Her plan is to retrieve all chakra from this planet because it originally belonged to her, as she ate the initial chakra fruit. So if she was to just leave Naruto, Sasuke, etc in another dimension and let them rot, she wouldn't get what she wanted aka she wouldn't be fulfilling her plan. As she said, "Come back to mother". Also, as you seen in this episode, the fact that her children's chakra are inside of Naruto and Sasuke makes her want to get it back even more.

BETGaming

Dude why would you say this? Why would you want them to watch MORE filler. It’s shitty, filled with inaccuracy’s that’ll just make Ron question more things more. They should watch any filler after the canon material is finished

BETGaming

Please don’t watch Indra and ashura’s filler until after the canon material is ended.

botanbutton

Exactly, she just wants to get back what is hers.

지원

Ngl kaguya ruined the show for me

Jeremy Schultz

I get what Ron is saying about it being redundant. But the Naruto Universe is one of the longest. You grow up with them since they were children. And you go into others backstories. There is hundreds of other side stories within Naruto. Of course things are going to feel similar. But there is many different side stories. I don't know what else Ron would of liked to see. Does he just want Naruto and Sasuke to beat Madara and call it a day? I personally love the whole history and the origins.

Rez

madara > kaguya - worst thing that happened to this show tbh

Alexis

Ron’s 100 percent about his feeling on this. Many people feel the same way and why people think the pain ark is better and should have ended or more so that madara had more screen time cause he was just so dope and he goes out like this? You know?

DejanV

Just wait to see whole "Kaguya arc" its not that bad for me, people are angry mainly bcs of Madara being eliminated

지원

The reason why I like pain arc more than war arc is because kaguya.. yeah Madara is a really goat villain. and but you know..pain arc is masterpiece i feel you ron

noyaraised

Is not shitty imo but I do agree skip it and watch it after or watch all 4 together instead of 2

Dahvonn Woodard

Just so you guys aren’t confused sasuke uses his eye to switch places with naruto orbs that’s why he’s able to move people or get behind him.

Davey

I read this in the manga when it happened, I loved and still love Kaguyas introduction. I love Madara as a character, but this didn't ruin it for me, like it did for many others.

botanbutton

thank you for coming to my ted talk. it's obvious Kishimoto thinks mothers are the strongest force in the universe.

botanbutton

I think Madara being ended by an angry mom is perfect.

botanbutton

Madara has charisma for sure but I think it's poetic having this man, this so-called strongest shinobi, being the ultimate puppet for an angry immortal mom and being ended by her. "He thinks he's strong? Has a better understanding of what others need? Ha, what a gullible idiot. Give me back my chakra, you nit." - Kaguya, probably.

Ameth

Hmm do we know anyone else from the extinct kaguya clan :O

Jonathan Sosa

There a mixed opinions about this final stage of the show, some people liked it, some people didn’t. regardless of you’re feelings, just enjoy the ride the best you can

Darknessfearslight1

exactly Madara is the best but if you find this interesting which i can see it is. Then yes watch boruto. You'll find it very interesting.

Erik Matteus

wait Kaguya's VA "Mama-Maba!" hahaha

DeathSwitch

Madara being manipulated is hilariously appropriate. The way he used Obito, he deserved to get shit on. Plus, how else was he gunna go down other than by someone who he believed was created by himself. In the end, what finished Madara was trusting someone else 🤣

VOCFM

People who say it should have ended at Pain clearly have forgotten about Sasuke

aidan decristofaro

bro i thought the same thing, I watched shippuden in dub for my first time watching and it was a funny surprise to hear that Kaguya's VA is one of the yonko's lol

Douglas Andrade

Please, don't skip any of the upcoming episodes (eps 460-468). I know some of them are filler and I know some people here in the comment section will say and try to compel you to do it otherwise, just like they tried with the Kakashi Ambu arc and even with Itachi's backstory arc; you know, some people are just impatient and selfish, the only thing they want is for you to react to their favorite parts as soon as possible and f*$& the rest, they don't care if you're going to understand the story as a whole or not. But trust me, If you want to understand more about Kaguya's, Hagoromo's and their descendants' origin story or about how the Shinobi world came to be, please watch them. They're also important for the understanding of a Naruto movie that you guys are going to react to at the end of this current arc.

aidan decristofaro

Personally, I didn't really like the Kaguya twist at first until it played out more. And I gradually started to accept it as time went on but I do wish Madara was the main guy to defeat, especially with how they were building up how crazy powerful Madara is and how much he planned ahead just for it to be all apart of black zetsu's plan. But I do agree with Michelle on her point about Kaguya being the beginning of everything and the point of the story is the cycle of hatred, which means to break the cycle you need to defeat Kaguya.

Mavoal

boruto makes this last saga make sense by bringing it all together

지원

I like Ron's honesty. Not everyone can like everything in the show. I didn't really like the second half of Naruto either. Maybe more people don't like Kaguya Arc

DeathSwitch

Disagree, Kaguya is far stronger than Madara. This argument kinda falls apart when you know that. This story was always heading to this.. I mean Kimimaru was from the Kaguya clan

Conta Aleatória

Akatsuki Rules > Pain Manipulates akatsuki > Obito manipulates Pain > Madara Manipulates obito > Black Zetsu Manipulates Madara > Kaguya controls Black Zetsu RENDUNDANT ASF

Whoopsie

Yeah most things after pain arc was kinda hit or miss for me and power scaling made no sense at all.

Pedro Farinazzo

Kishimoto lost track of his own story. There is no explanation for the bad writing Naruto faced these final episodes

Blu3

Appreciate you honestly Ron but Yeah a lot more people than you think didn’t really like this kaguya arc including me because to me it felt like it was just out of nowhere in a way if that makes sense

Lawrence E

Kaguya is the Big Mom I mean the Big Baddie of Naruto.

지원

I see you 👀

지원

Boruto is worse than this, so I recommend not to see it to them. Especially when you look at Ron's reaction in this episode.

Cade

some of my favorite parts are the origins of kaguya and her backstory and why she feels the way she does

지원

True

botanbutton

@𝖘𝖑𝖚𝖒𝖕𝓏༒ It's an opinion, let him have his opinion without vitriol.

TVTG

Don't worry... Naruto's ending doesn't please everyone! It's normal to find some things strange! I didn't like the ending myself. But I'm waiting for you to finish to send my comment about it.

TVTG

You're right, my friend! This ending makes no sense, with all due respect to the masterpiece that is Naruto!

HeroSword P

Sorry guys, but all that inner monologue of Itachi was obviously a retcon 😂

Fio

That is why some fans been stress when you stop the reactions.... because all this part is a pick ....:)

Tommy -_-

I honestly didn't mind the kaguya arc because I like twist in stories but then I understand why alot of people didn't like it either because they wanted Madara as the final boss lol

The CulturedGentleman

Ok...I reaaaaalllyy LOVE Kaguya as a villain...but I hate how she's written. Like, what's the point of coming back to amass all this power to only be a sentimental (b)witch and do nothing with it? Why does she want to take back all the chakra from the world? How does that help her? What's her end goal? I love Naruto in its entirety except for this part. This is a result of the story coming to a halt and Kishimoto not knowing where to go with it. It doesn't feel natural like the rest of the anime. Now if she had some ulterior motive for doing so like wanting to reshape the world in her image or start humanity over from scratch (something to go with her being a whole God and all) it would make her a lot more rounded for me. I think she could have been written better. Idk. That's my take on it. Its not a bad ending, it just isn't what I was hoping for. Also DO NOT skip her backstory. Its essential to understand her alot more.

The CulturedGentleman

Were gonna have to explain to them that Kimmimaro and her are two different clans lol

Shane Lewis

She said she wants all chakra, including Naruto & Sasuke’s why would she leave them in another dimension lol

The CulturedGentleman

In a strange way, I do find Kaguya kinda cute lol The clear, shiny eyes, the long flowing white hair an her ghostlike presence just does it for me :))

Seamus Lennon

this tbh Edit... On further thought I think Kaygua gets so much crap because she is a symptom of something Kishimoto saw in his writing and he needed to fix ( especially if he was going to continue in the universe) so I can objectively know why she is there, but as a fan I can still hate her because she feels like such an ass-pull after the chapters long build up of 'the ghost of the ghost of Uchiha'

Bathing Ape

do they know that kaguya is not human?

The CulturedGentleman

its true tho. Its a fact that he didnt know how to beat madara that would make sense. He made him too strong. Cause Rasengan wouldnt work on him. Neither anything sasuke has. They were barely able to fight him 2v1

The CulturedGentleman

Everytime i see the name Boruto I remember getting pissed more and more by each episode until it hit over 100+ and STILL kept going! I actually HATE that anime. thats not something id usually say but i genuinely do. its just a huge dumpster fire sorry excuse for a sequel im sorry

Jannes The Gorg

ive always called thios the worst plot twist in all fiction, but watching it again it makes more sense how madara died. It makes sense that black zetsu is the one controlling everything. Hes over 5000 years old. He has wisdom of how the world works and he knows how to adapt. This plot twist doesnt feel like its apart of the show at all in a sense that it strays awaw from what naruto and naruto shipudden was in the start. Its a drastic change in direction.

Izzy

Bro said I think we need orochimaru right now 😂 that had me rolling

Feignorance

This was an awful twist, I begrudgingly finished the series but this left a stain on my experience with the series.

James Janak

Michelle: “Dude I’m shocked…” yep literally everyone’s reaction to the absolute bombshell out of left field

Seamus Lennon

Don't worry, it wont/cant/shouldnt make sense till Boruto .... just sit back and enjoy the fireworks from here

Izzy

The kaguya reveal has been, since it’s showing in the manga years ago, the most polarizing moment in the whole story, no need to feel bad about questioning it. Just enjoy the ride till it’s over and see what you think then. Yeah it blew my mind when I read it the first time too, lots of questions, but most will likely get answered at least

Shiyao

Michelle has a GREAT VOICE! :D

Tommy -_-

I'm glad you said this 😂 people are already telling them to skip it until after the show is done 🤦‍♂️ likes it's important filler imo especially if they are going to keep watching

Justin Walkins

That's because Kishimoto's advisor helped write most of the story until the pain arc when he decided Kishi knew what he was doing. I honestly wish his advisor staygottthe war arc would likely be a loooot better.

Justin Walkins

No because Zetsu but also because Kishimoto's a bad writer on his own.

Seamus Lennon

also this it may not stick THE landing, but it sure as fuck hits A landing.

Justin Walkins

This was said perfectly, a lot of the viewers here look to see how they react to certain scenes that they liked but the reactions genuinely stink if they have no connection to or understanding of certain characters. I said it before but the Asuma arc was trash but it genuinely made me sad when Asuma died because I watched that Arc when R&G reacted to Asuma's death they only felt bad for Shikamaru which sucked in my opinion. Kinda wish we got a Neji filler arc because when he died I felt nothing but confusion and disappointment.

Shane Lewis

It’s not a fact. Kaguya is stronger than Madara and Naruto and Sasuke were whooping his ass before the tsukuyomi happened, they’d have defeated him.

Jose Flores

Ngl but when I first saw this I had Ron’s reaction but I won’t speak further bc yall haven’t finished it yet

Scar

This is where you really have to think outside the box and expand your mind even further into Kishimotos Naruto universe. Thats what seperate the fans from the doubters. Its another reason why people don't like Boruto, cuz some can't accept whats outside the box they love.

Hessen Herz

I hated the direction the show went my first watch through, but it all makes sense after the second watch through. Good ass show man. Im excited to give Boruto another shot and hopefully this time I don’t give it up again lmao

aidan decristofaro

pretty sure I haven't looked it up to confirm, but she sounds like a calmer version of her lol

Nathan

i would have preferred madara as the final boss as he is my fav char but i honestly just thought this twist was akin to something like the itachi being a good guy reveal, all this time we thought one thing and then it turned out to be different and as time passed we got more understanding of what actually happened and what is going on, as there is a bigger picture here, a much bigger picture. the next set of episodes if i remember right are anime canon as well, and i do think they make the acceptance of kaguya as this next villain easier rather than us just seeing them fight this all powerful being we have no investment in like we did madara. there are a couple of things they needed to do justice with and i think they do this

Tingz

Yeah this Kaguya shit was wack like no they could have kept Madara

David za

this reaction symbolize this moment all over the years alot of peoples didn't like that but i really understand that i think eventually you'll like it as well ron lol

Nathan

i also dropped boruto for about a year, quitting around episode 70 but would check in every now and again and it is absolutely worth to pick back up. i actually have a list i made but not sure how i could send maybe ill have to concise it down cus id want to post it to rice and ginger as well as you basically want to skip about 65% of the show, watch one or two anime original arcs, watch a couple of sprinkled in eps or mini arcs that have some kind of value such as bringing in an old char or developing the characters in cool ways. otherwise just watch the manga only or mixed anime manga content as it is just more of what we like about naruto

SomchineVang

I’m right there with you Ron when I first saw this. Definitely enjoy the ride tho. Shippuden coming to an end for you guys. What a wild ride!

Anthony Chavez

congratulations madara! ya'played ya'self

Hessen Herz

I’m like 15 episodes in right now, just watching a couple per night and I’m enjoying it more than last time I tried. I’m just done comparing it to the OG stuff cause it’s a modern anime and I’ll accept that the old days are gone lol that’s what my issue was

open world

Lol.. boruto should of been its own anime... then..

open world

Also this why madara is my favorite character over itachi naruto etc... he was like one punch man so writer had to kill him ROFLMAO!! 🤣 😂 💀 🙄 Ps- he was dancing to hard and serving every one!!! YOU GET SERVE!! YOU GET SERVE... THEY GET SERVE F IN A !! (South park reference)

FLsavage7

Keeping it real Ron. You good bud. Lots of people have contention with the show when it got to this point, like if it would’ve been better without this angle. So all good gang. Love yalls reactions, God bless

Rogerrc12

You like aliens?

Rogerrc12

If you see boruto you will understand the “why”

heavyweightyoe

Same but after rewatching and Seeing were Boruto is headed i understand now

Nurzhan Sergazy

This is just my vision of the situation, but... To rephrase the question: "How much can you actually see with your Sharingan?" then you can see what he wanted to know from Sasuke, "did you find out the truth about our clan?" or "how much truth did you find out about our clan?", he wanted to make sure that Sasuke was still blinded by hatred, revenge and died only of illness with a smile on his face =((

Heavenly Demonic Emperor

And that's how you know... Madara is still undefeated if it wasn't because of this Kaguya shit

Kevsss

youre mixed feelings will get answered in boruto. something to look forward to, js

LeNiarfe

Bruh, I dropped Boruto too haha I never finished Shippuden, so I’m finishing it now with these reactions, so imma give Boruto a shot again through these reactions as well. And now that I’ll finish shippuden, it will make more sense haha. I originally started Boruto when it came out cuz I thought it was like a “New Naruto show” which it is lol, basically a continuation of the show, but I felt so lost and bored that I dropped it on EP-5

LeNiarfe

Kaguya is Wifu! 😮‍💨

Benjamin Reacts

I mean, maybe since his reanimation lol. Madara took plenty of L's before dying.

Kenny

Your hesitancy is justified. A lot of people were split from this point onwards about the direction of the show. It just doesn’t exactly feel like a show about ninjas anymore does it? lol

Juan Jose

I want to say this about kaguya and the whole naruto story universe. I don't think people really think about this when it comes to this arc and it's back story of how shinobi came to be. How can people not like this arc when they introduced this being who created "chakra" and shinobi are able to do these "jutsu", and Ron saying about she can take them to a different dimension like how can she do that. When all during the anime obito was doing that and he wasn't saying nothing about it. I don't know i guys it gets to me when ppl hate on this arc. I for one I enjoyed it. But I understand there opinions. Honestly this paragraph probably don't make sense lol

shouvik das

Ron your feelings are valid cos i felt the same way. Half the fan base (probably even more) felt the exact same way you did when the manga chapter for this first came out. But I think towards the end you’ll come to understand why it was neccessary.

Ludwig Ivan Ortega Lopez

now you will have more mixed feelings because this part is the worst part of Naruto lol, Naruto is one of the best animes and has a lot of thing super mega well done but this part it is not of the good ones

Seryu

저도 필러는 좋아하지 않지만.. 이타치는 인정이지

John Doe

A lot of people dont like this part of Naruto but I feel like it was a setup for furthering the franchise which led to Boruto so in my opinion Kaguya and her clan made sense especially after what we know now for those that are following the Boruto Blue Vortex manga.

JustRojo

Kaguya is about to dance real soon 💃🏽💃🏽

John Doe

Also, they provided clues about the Otsutsuki clan and began this whole build up from the moment they mentioned he sage of the sixth paths earlier in shippuden

Rez

if ur making a setup with the intention to "futher the franchise" its making the product worse for me immediately because ur just milking the cash cow at that point. Its immersion breaking and the story might not conclude as it would have without that decision.

Gyt

Snow bunny 🐰 ❄️

Vlad Vlad

This plot twist is bullshit

AINOMOA

I think they couldve wrote her resurrection and this arc better for sure but I just want to know from all the people who didnt like this arc how yall wouldve liked kishimoto to end the series?

지원

??한국인 어서오고

Gyt

Guy kills madara , both dies , and zetsu can bring her back , her coming back isn’t much of a problem but it’s how madara been defeated so yeah that’s how I wanted it .

Hector Tavares

Kishimoto didn’t originally plan for Boruto; everything that appeared there was just an attempt to force the franchise to continue. He wasn’t involved for a long time. I know it’s hard to accept some things, especially in a franchise we love so much, but if you think about it carefully, it was just poor writing. That doesn’t take away from the value of the series, though.

Hector Tavares

Actually, it’s pretty simple—just cut out the whole Kaguya part. Keep Madara as the main villain, since he was well-built for that role in the story, and then continue to the final part of the anime (no spoilers here). The Kaguya arc could’ve been made into a movie later to introduce the plot of Boruto. If they had done this, it wouldn’t change anything about understanding the Naruto anime, and it wouldn’t ruin the main theme of hard work and perseverance with all that reincarnation nonsense. But of course, that’s just my opinion. If you don’t agree, that’s totally fine—I respect yours! 😊

RorotheShadow

So I personally like how Madara was defeated, even if many people don't like it. Over time, Madara developed a huge god complex, became arrogant, and used and manipulated many people like Obito for his goals. And the fact that in the end Madara was actually just used and manipulated too and has to suffer because of Kaguya, the same way Obito suffered because of him, is actually a very good plot, I think. Because those who fly high fall low. And I think the message that Kishimoto wanted to deliver with Madara's ending was that you should never be arrogant and too confident in yourself, because that arrogance can make you blind and naive. And in the end, you're just putting obstacles in your own way (with this mentality)

Joshua Bonifaz

Remember the main point of the entire Naruto series, especially the beginning. Ninjas are just tools.

Darren Metts

The greatest reveal ever f all the haters and now I can finally tell you why people hate the war arc or the real reason is simply this MADARA FANBOYS just coping cuz madara wasn’t the end all be all villain and someone bigger and badder than him pulled up that’s literally all it is this very episode right here is literally why people say the war arc wasn’t good yup stupid right? Tell me about it

Darren Metts

Don’t worry bro they like it it’s just madara fanboys coping cuz their poster boy got taken out lol

Darren Metts

@gyt this that shit I’m talking about I hope you not one of the ones calling this arc not good simp cuz your a madara fanboy who’s mad he got taken out like imagine getting mad that madara got taken out by someone with thousands of years of exper on him and literally the creator of shinobi technically like wtf it makes perfect sense

Nessa J.

@theculturegentleman - You should have kept watching Boruto at least until episode 250 (I'm not hitting at anything that's why I said "250"). A looooot of super important things happen after episode 100+. Things that changed the entire plot of Boruto/Naruto.

Darren Metts

Ngl never understood people who didn’t understand this zetsu been around for eons no brainer he’d be able to take madara out we never had a real explanation of where zetsu came from anyway all madara said was my will incarnate yea right so why can’t anyone else do that? Y’all just wasn’t paying attention to the clues notice how everything else in this show gets a lengthy explanation but zetsu just appears through will? Nah yall just madara fanboys who’s mad he lost keep it a buck

Darren Metts

Fuck madara fuck that fraud he got packed up on to the next

Darren Metts

I agree with everything up until you brought up borutrash with how shippuden ended boruto doesn’t even make sense but I can’t talk about that yet

Darren Metts

It literally makes sense in shippuden if you don’t understand it after watching shippuden then you’re just stupid

Darren Metts

Weird so many of yall really be coping for madara it’s weird

Seamus Lennon

I mean… sure yea … it all makes sense … no… we could agree to go fuck yourself.

Darren Metts

Duh like bruh I don’t understand how you called it the worst yet said it makes sense I be telling yall this like it’s like yall slow or sum lol that shyt genuinely pisses me off cuz I spoke to several ppl openly admitting the only reason they say the war arc was bad or that the kaguya stuff is bad is cuz they are literally madara fanboys when I was told that from several ppl I was pissed cuz that shyt is disingenuous af and I know it’s the same with a lot of yall it’s not even logic it’s just pure saltiness that madara didn’t get to be the final villain and that shit is unfair to kishimoto and Naruto shippuden as a show

Darren Metts

Bro we’ve literally seen people without chakra now it makes sense why they don’t have any this was a perfect way to end it yall really just don’t be paying attention your problem is you problem assumed everyone had chakra in this verse and it was so different from our universe when it’s not really

지원

wow your awesome bro keep it up

Darren Metts

@tommy see that shit is just corny and unfair though cuz literally it’s people being completely disingenuous simply cuz they love madara meat so much

Darren Metts

Bro he hasn’t even watched it yet don’t go jumping the gun now

Darren Metts

Bad writing? Just say your a madara fanboy and your coping that he took that L cuz he’s not Him imagine being mad that a character you thought was him actually wasn’t him so now the story is bad writing? 🤣

Darren Metts

Kishimoto a bad writer? Slap yourself

Darren Metts

Now this is real and understandable unlike most the bs comments on here acting like as it progressed it didn’t get better me personally I had no problem with it at all and thought the whole thing was cool and made perfect sense

Nessa J.

@rorotheshadow - I agree with you and your understanding of this twist, I also quite liked it (and got really scared about what was to come in the show).

Darren Metts

It’s not filler it’s literally posted as anime canon so they won’t skip it bro lol

Darren Metts

Pain arc fanboys are clowns fr

Darren Metts

Ron’s not a miserable wretch so I know as they watch the backstory and everything else he’ll actually enjoy the kaguya bit unlike most madara fanboys who can’t seem to get over him

Pedro Farinazzo

I dont care about Madara, the writing went poor in the beginning of the war arc when Akatsuki was reanimated then discarded as rank C ninjas. After that there were a pack of retcons, mismatched new information and badly designed scaling of power. But you are entitled to be happy with mediocre writing, dont blame me for having taste

Darren Metts

Bro that’s literally it just a bunch of childish man children angry about they favorite fictional villain being defeated is literally the bullshit reason why kaguya gets ragged on even though the backstory explanation the fight and everything that happen after is really good

Darren Metts

It’s just meat heads and madara fanboys who didn’t enjoy this great writing madara fanboys really piss me off

Darren Metts

Michelle was spitting then but these clowns don’t see it that way smh

RikudoRyan

The one where Ashura uses rasengan 🤣🤣🤣 some nice consistency there

Darren Metts

No it’s not shitty you clown your just. Fake fan who only watches anime for fights bitch get the fuck out of here

Darren Metts

They going to tell everyone that said it was bad that they was waaaaayyyyy overreacting

Darren Metts

You say frogging black zetsu as if he’s taken major L’s or shown us he’s weak when in fact he’s shown us he’s very capable

Darren Metts

Thanks for your support 👍

purple

Madara being taken down by an asspull 💪 just how much of a GOAT he was

Teddy Roo

The way you both feel is LITERALLY what the community has always felt. One side is like “why did we need this” and the other is like “it pulls it all together, and you have to end one story, to create a new one.” Personally love how they brought Kaguya in, Madara was literally becoming her, he wanted to control chakra the same way she did. Besides, the entire show of naruto is about “ending a cycle.” Can’t end a cycle without dealing with the single thing that started the current cycle.

SXD

Lmao the ppl that didn't like this are the ppl that are madara fans. No matter how much yall will say that's not the reason, it is lol. Thers nothing wrong with this plot twist, it makes perfect sense.

SXD

Asspull lmao. You're mad too

Jannes The Gorg

Its not unfair for the show. Because the team of kishimoto forced him to continue into boruto. And they told him we needed new enemies for the boruto manga. So they created the otsotsuki. I self myself think that the war arc is the worst arc after the 4 hokage joins the battlefield. Madara is cool but i dont like him too much and the pacing at the end of the show just gets super wacky. I dont like the war arc because its out of place. They all just become godly. I dont like that. And about the plot twist, I still feel like it was super lazy to get rid of madara in that way. He was tanking tailed beast rasenshurikens. But zetsus arm is stronger then that? Its just a complicated situation that kishimoto was in. Its because of his team. Its clear that after hagoromo gave naruto and sasuke thier powerup that the show would take a big turn, because there was no way to defeat madara. I still think the plot twist writing wise is VERY BAD AND LAZY. But story wise it makes sense. Thats what i was trying to say in my first comment.

SXD

Ohh right, "ninjas" who were essentially gods with godlike power that we kept seeing since the last 200 eps. Makes sense, the word ninja is used very loosely in this anime. Like every show does this bruh, dbz is an example, at first it was abt a kid doing martial arts and fighting ppl, now there's gods of destructions, a god that can erase multiverses with a snap, like this is what happens when a shounen story progresses. Yall would've still complained if the enemies after madura still continued to be ninjas.

SXD

Bros mad because madara got bitched lmao

Gyt

Nah nah I ain’t complaining about the arc , just my opinion on how it could have been different and would be no problem for me at least

Blu3

Blud I’m just saying how I felt when I first saw it and how others i know felt like it his opinions might change after seeing the rest and that’s fine

Heavenly Demonic Emperor

Not what I meant but I'll accept it... but dude was a dope character tho that's all

Slim Yeezus23

A lot of your questions will be answered between the end of this series and boruto. Kishimoto is just like you guys he doesn’t want the story to end 😂😂. Just like it’s been 1400 episodes and they still haven’t found the One Piece😂😂

Gyt

Sasuke can teleport and switch people/objects sum like that

Al'zhan Askarov

While it is true that madara fans are hating the twist, it’s also true that the reason they hate it is because this was just a huge asspull. Madara has been hyped and set up since the beginning of shippuden and kaguya was literally introduced within the last few episodes up to this point and it just feels wrong

Michelle Lam

yah we watched the next 4 ep and i am LOVING it actually haha

Michelle Lam

yah we watched the next 4 ep and i am LOVING it actually haha

Darren Metts

Lmfao I knows that’s right screw the haters some people just can’t get over their madara fanboyism I’m one but not the the extent that I ever thought this was bad or continued doing so

Michelle Lam

yah we watched the next 4 ep and i am LOVING it actually haha

Michelle Lam

yah we watched the next 4 ep and i am LOVING it actually haha

Dadada

It wasn't really a poor writing from kishimoto, the editors of the manga community wanted to continue the series because it was getting a lot of attention, so they decided to make boruto. Kishimoto had to make a story quickly on the spot that ties with Boruto.

GameGod

😂 Hit em with that might guy

SXD

nope there is no "asspull" here. Kaguya had been setup since so long ago, even the s06p had been setup really long ago, Madara had been hyped up since the beginning sure, but that doesn't mean Kaguya was not setup at all. You are wrong, Kaguya was setup properly from at least over 50ep ago. Kaguya was foreshadowed a long time before, specifically in chapter #216. The leader of the Sound shinobi, Kimimaro, fights against Gaara and Rock Lee. During the fight, Kimimaro showed a kekkei genkai (an innate, inherited ability) called Shikotsumyaku, which allows him to manipulate his bones. That same ability was later displayed by Kaguya, who was revealed as the ancestor of Kimimaro's clan, whose name is given in chapter #216 as "the Kaguya clan". It's also interesting to note that Kimimaro and his clan (which only appears in the anime) wear very similar dresses to those of the Otsutsuki, and the markings on their foreheads also seem to be replications of Kaguya's shortly cut eyebrows. It was setup wayyy eralier than what is shown here, and you said kaguya was only introduced a couple eps ago, no she only APPEARED a couple eps ago, she was introduced to us as a character much long ago, nobody really took it too seriously because everybody thought we wouldn't be seeing her again. Also, a plot twist does not have to be LITERALLY hinted by the author to work, at that point it is not a plot twist, it has to be setup[ which it was ] and it also has to catch ppl off guard[ which it did] There is literally nothing wrong with this plot twist, it is the perfect definition of a plot twist, you and others just don't like it because of what happened to Madara.

SXD

Kaguya was also setup when Hagoromo was talking to Naruto and Sasuke and gave the, so6p powers, she was also setup when edo madara and edo hashirama was fighting and madara told him the flashback. I mean atp ya'll just wanted the author to have said that she was gonna appear as the final villain instead of Madara

Sam Al

Hey guys 464 to 468 is filler but its kinda important because its about the begenning with Ashura and Indra and Hagoromo and how the black zetsu started his plan. Black zetsu is not a reincarnation, he is just a servant who only serves kaguya btw that why he says for her will everytime. You should watch those when you can no need to put it on patreon but when y’all have some time why not.

Dwayne Townsend

Idk if you guys noticed but sauske has a rinne-sharingan …. That’s better than the rinnegan

Douglas Andrade

Yeah, I know. But It depends on what kind of filler list they're looking at. The vast majority of the filler lists on the internet, if not all of them, listed those episodes as skippable fillers, which I completely and a 100% disagree; they don't specify if they are anime canon or not. So, you have to be extra careful with that.

universal

Damn that plot was trash I mean either way Madera did had to go but damn he could have way out a better way

universal

Ok now I got a question is it wrong to think kaguya is a baddie

Aaron williams

The manga readers weren’t that far ahead when this was live. Remember all the filler? It was because the anime kept catching up. Basically the manga was very few chapters ahead especially considering this was the end of it. I would say the were about 10 chapters ahead. That’s not a lot at all

universal

To be honest I hate how creators of their show kill op characters in the most trash way just for the plot

botanbutton

@SXD Bro, you just blew my mind with the Kimimaro info 🤯 I DID NOT REALIZE THAT. Like, it didn't even register in my brain, omg.

Kobe23

Plot twist was trash asf

botanbutton

I haven't seen nor heard ANYBODY use "miserable wretch" except in movies/games 😭😂

botanbutton

This whole thread is comedy 😂😂

botanbutton

@Darren Metts No need to throw insults around now, fam.

nompfer

I am not a "madara fan". I don't mind the Kaguya thing either. I just think it maybe could have been executed better.

botanbutton

@Douglas Andrade Hey fam, I am the one who provided them with the filler list for the later half of Shippuden. I have the next two episodes listed as filler but with a note saying *highly recommend watching*. For ep 462, I included a note that said watching the previous two episodes will help make ep 462 understandable. I gave them info and they were free to choose how to watch. Which they did!

botanbutton

@Darren Metts No need for name calling!

botanbutton

@Darren Metts You are just barking and throwing punches in these comments, ain't cha??? 😂 Really tho, stop name calling. It's not good for the Sushi Squad community Michelle and Ron want to nurture.

botanbutton

@Ryan Borthwick I don't even remember that 😭💀 That is some terrible retcon!

Seamus Lennon

Yes loosely, like naming the second main character. I get why they needed to reset the power scale, so we could see “people” throwing hands again instead of manning what amounts to different types of chakra mechs in space if we are going to be mixing anime references… but you can’t make me like it.

botanbutton

I made their filler list for Shippuden. I suggested they watch it after Shippuden. 😬😬😬😬😬

prince ramos

Please watch the fillers of hagoromos son

Aaron williams

Kaguya coming into play is poetic justice. All sorts of people beg madara to stop even when he was alive the first time only for him not to listen and his whole plan turns out to be his downfall. All that manipulation he used on others only to be manipulated himself and he never saw it coming dispite all the scheming he did to get the rennigan. I don’t understand how people dislike kaguya coming in when she is madara’s karma for his immense hubris of thinking he was god and that he can make the world perfect. He took everyone’s free will only to lose his. Also the fact that zesty was in this story for so long is more than enough to make kaguya’s entrance make sense. He was always such a wierd outlier and madara never explained how he “created” him it always gave that he was manipulated. Zestu used his own ego against him. Madara’s arrogance cost him his life he doomed everyone for selfishness. It makes perfect sense that kaguya comes into play because the whole show has been about resentment and the question of “how much are you willing to pay” for that resentment. All the lives lost for it and the so called big bad wasn’t willing to pay it either. In his final moments he regrets his choices another motif. I could go on lol I will say reaching this show made kaguya make even more sense she was hinted at a lot. People say she’s an “ass pull” but the show hinted at it subtly but you’d have to watch it again to see it.

Rja831

Yeah the show should of ended with madara as the final boss

SXD

@botanbutton That's what I'm saying, ppl don't be paying attention to the clues and then they'll yap abt how it came out of nowhere

SXD

@nompfer sure, maybe. I'm just saying it's not fair to say the plot twist or everything that happened after her was bad because the story didn't go the way you wanted it to go, that's just dumb af.

dredre8424

A lot of people don’t like this but I do, back when I was watching this gave me all the answers to the questions I had about zetsu

Sughandi

Madara would've gotten smoked anyways if it wasn't for this. He can't spam infinite tsukiyomi because it takes up too much chakra (manga shows him losing 3 tomoe in his rinnesharingan after performing it). Naruto's sheer number of clones hard counter limbo at this point since they've learned how to fight the limbo clones, and he's able to de-stabilize Madara just like he did to Obito by using the chakra of the tailed beasts. Madara doesn't have the chakra required or the knowledge of Kaguya's dimensions to dimension hop like she can. And the SO6P sealing technique is easily capable of putting Madara down

Feignorance

It’s called a difference of opinion, you should get used to it while you’re here on the internet. Kishimoto used deus ex machina and basically broke the rules of his own world to continue the story.

London Rials 🩷

@your second reply - THANK YOU!!! I thought I was the only person who was paying attention. It's been almost 10 years and the fact nobody gets this is INSANE

NigerianPrinceNoScam

Please watch 464 to 468. Its filler but it helps the world building and fits perfectly in the story. Its about the sage of six paths and his sons and how this endless cycle of hatred started.

Douglas Andrade

Oh, ok, glad to read that. Just out of curiosity... Did you make sure to let them know that watching those nine episodes as a whole (eps 460-468) is pretty important for the understanding of the long cycle of hatred involving the Sage of Six Paths's sons and their descendants after them? And more importantly, for the understanding of how Black Zetsu orchestrated and implemented Its plan to restore Its mother, Kaguya, back to life, manipulating the entire Shinobi world as a consequence? If you didn't do It already, please do that, so they can make a much more conscious and level-headed decision on rather watch It or not.

josh

since you guys are ahead another 4 eps can we get like a surprise drop or something before having to wait 4 days until mondays drop to make up the missed drop from last week?????

Revolution To Evolution

Madara's fragile man ego make it the perfect prey for the MOTHER Kaguya. OK I see you Naruto's creator (Idk the name) this is refreshing.

Austin Speight

Black Zetsu being the mastermind was a major ass-pull. There was little to no foreshadowing, it all came at the last minute, and it contradicts prior information other than just what was written on the stone tablet. Kishimoto definitely came up with that at the last minute.

Revolution To Evolution

I bet a lot of guys were triggered when the powerful evil man was used to bring back the most powerful being in the show, a woman. 👀👀👀

josh

doubt it…you saw what just happened on how the mods suggested no triple drop on one piece those same mods made the list for naruto and they’ve skipped literally every filler besides the kakashi young fillers

Nǐçķ

So many people shit on twist 🥴

Nǐçķ

Also rhon, if you dislike this type of dumb powers kaguya showing, that’s where boruto picks up, even more ridiculous powers 🥴

ElCrook

You know Ron's getting emotional when he starts scratching his nose haha... love you guys

Khid Kilo

Wait til boruto the lore gets deeper😈 And this is a callback to the first arc (land of waves) were we are told shinobi are tools

Samuel Ortiz

Hey Ron, yeah Kaguya is the strongest however she’s terrible at combat. Like her combative skill is trash but her chakra no one matches it. Also the plot twist had mixed feelings as well at first but it’s gonna get lit

C Nichole

The beauty of being an author is being the only one in the know of how much of the story you may have fleshed out at ANY point, and being able to come up with things at ANY point in your story. It's okay to not like the execution, but as a consumer, there is literally no way to tell when Kishimoto thought of this.

C Nichole

No it shouldn't have. It should end with the origin story to answer questions

C Nichole

This is said perfectly, I wish I had a podcast I could go on and on about this.

C Nichole

How would you suggest? What would be better than being absorbed by the origin of all this itself? He took everyone's freedom just to have his taken, perfect karma

universal

I mean that was the chance to kill Madea when might guy was still fighting him with 8 gates

C Nichole

The writing isn't poor just because you did not like the execution. The Akatsuki did not get reanimated and simply put against genins this arc.....they fought against formidable opponents from the little bit of them we got to see. Just say you didn't like it......but saying the writing it bad is just ridiculous

C Nichole

So do ppl not know the definition of the word cycle or.....

Alexis

Me too, I am okay with how the story unfolded but I also get from others perspective about kaguya. Many people say kaguya ruined Naruto for them. Everyone has opinion about shows directions. At the end I still love the show Naruto despite its few drawbacks. There are rare shows that brings the level of feels that Naruto brings at least to me. That sadness and sorrow ost really hits. Best ost in any anime ever. Frirend and dadadan has great ost as well.

Pedro Farinazzo

It is bad writing, and I'll give you an example in this very episode. Black Zetsu says White Zetsu are former humans caught in the previous infinite tsukuyomi. How is that possible If previously it was said white zetsu were created from Hashirama cells, who came eons after Kaguya? They even transformed into trees when touched by whatever that light kurama chakra. Orochimaru felt the white zetsu hidden in Sasuke because he sensed the Hashirama chakra. Has Kishimoto forgotten ALL that to create a new narrative around Kaguya? This is just one example of poor writing

Pedro Farinazzo

Yeah like first white zetsu were clones made from Hashirama cells, then they were former humans whose chakra got sucked by Kaguya

Lothbrok

you guys finally make this far, wow

Saith D. Uchiha

Final boss should’ve been Madara just me opinion.

BETGaming

Nah he didint cause it’s literal filler. It’s not even anime canon like Kaguya backstory. It’s entirely filler. He’s not gonna tell them to watch it and idk why you guys are so adamant about them watching shitty filler

ListenHome李勝宏

Ron, don't worry. Many people find more issues than the ones you pointed out and give much lower ratings. If you really take the time to analyze it in detail, you'll definitely find plenty of logical flaws or areas where the arrangement could be better. However, when ever someone watch enough show, they naturally develops this kind of critical thinking, and that's not a bad thing at all.

Bunie

I think it’s pretty common that most feel mixed about this turn of events so you’re definitely not the only one Ron. A lot of people despised this direction, I’m just kinda ehh about it but that’s probably due to me not rlly caring for Madara on top of liking Kaguyas design lol (she disappointed me as a villain though but we’ll talk about that later)..

Javeed Green

I’m pretty sure no one thought of that till this comment I’m pretty sure no one cares about the man and women power dynamic in anime

Javeed Green

Why you have to bring sexism into anime don’t ruin it

Aok Me

Huh?🤦🏻

SK

Should be noted madara feared getting stabbed in the back his whole life which is how zetsu took him out

Rja831

Yeah but not this origin story this was complete shit

Simon

Y’all reaction to black zetzu is gold 🤣🔥

Christoph Engelhardt

What makes the Madara Kaguya twist even worse is the fact that they paused the plot for so long packing fillers into it. People were building up immense hype. And then this. Id say they made it worse than it wouldve had to be They did sth similar to Guy. With stretching the whole scene way more than in the original material by adding unwanted back story nobody asked for. Thats the curse if you gotta wait for the mangaka to finish their work. You either gotta pause the show or make sth up yourself. But you obv cannot drive the main plot forward

Demsko

Yea Ron, lots of people in the fandom don't like the way this show switched up in these episodes.

Sir Arthur

Congratulations guys you finished Naruto😀😂

HugeAC

Yeah i get it. Everything about naruto so far had been that Madara is the ultimate end game villain the entirety of the show. With that expectation it would be that madara is the end goal. Defeating madara would be the end. So yeah, i understand rons feelings here

question mark

They do go into the sage of six paths and kaguyas back stories in not sure if it’s classified as filler or not tho

FuegoQuis

Huge Naruto fan and couldn’t agree more Ron. Ending of the show can for sure feel dragged out

LuvStarburst

there is filler episodes about kaguya's life and what happened.

Oscar Wallberg

I just realized that Kaguya's VA also does Big Mom in One Piece

Orin Lupe

I loved how Madara got hoed. LOL.

Misael Matute

Welcome to the reason why people hate Naruto... All the built up, all the crazyness and this twist ruins the legacy for a lot of people lol To be fair, I didn't mind it, but I understand people's frustration. Although I still don't think it ruins the show as much as people make it out to seem.

Gyt

475-479 don’t exist right ? That’s the actual ending

XXI

hahaha no more ninja cunning shit! we got magic and aliens and wizardry!!

Gyt

Did y’all understand what sasuke meant ? Idk cuz y’all didn’t talk bout it but sasuke didn’t attempt to save kakashi and sakura he doesn’t care they both couldn’t offer any help but they were just happen to be near Naruto whom he had to protect

DeepSeaClams

I absolutely hate Boruto. but as a Naruto fan i think you should watch it

Nebulous Shooter

it pretty much does, beacuse its an ass pull retcon and basically makes the manga long main villain look like a chump. This is the S7 and 8 of Game of Thrones for the Manga/Anime, in that not only it sucks in isolation, but it damages the show on rewatch, since you now know how many threads don't get resolved, or end in utter disappointment.

Darren Metts

Idc how much you hate this plot 31:59-32:04 is definitely something

Godisus

It’s bad writing, but the writer is telling you that it’s parasites that’s the enemy to the world, it narrows into the absolute problem

VeZzE

When this was comming I would think most ppl didnt like this twist and felt the same. For alot of ppl this ruined the show completely and I was one of them as well. Most people taught it would have been better even if Guy beat Madara and we went with the ending, as that is going to be amazing for you and everyone. With time I came in terms with this part about Kaguya as it was actually not that bad as it seems, but at that moment, similar to where you are it was strange to do. Ending will still be amazing and come in shortly.

rami

“Does she die 😀😀”

Crusito96

Oh one of the worst twists ever !turned this show from the goat to one of the goats (prob 2-3rd)

Crusito96

Turned one of the best villains ever into a jk basically, for a villain that had less impact.

botanbutton

@josh Actually, I made the list for Naruto Shippuden, not the mods. I just put what was filler and what was canon. It was up to them to decide what to watch and how to watch it. I just didn't think about stacking these episodes together because I don't know their schedule and didn't know what their month would be like when I made the list earlier this year. 🤷🏾‍♀️ @EezzyFeezyCash Itachi's story is not considered filler, it is canon as it's based off the light novels approved by Kishimoto. That's why they watched it. @Anthony Chavez No, we will NOT cancel the mods!

botanbutton

I'm sorry, I didn't give them any indications or notes about 464-468 because honestly, I didn't fully remember what those fillers were! I do think a lot of people have mentioned wanting them to watch those so they might? It's ultimately up to them. I wish I had of thought about it though, so they can watch them in one fell swoop. Ugh.

Rhondel Wilson

Not only is the plot twist stupid, the rewriting of facts and the logic makes no sense. So white zetsus are leftovers from the previous tsukuyomi but Obito made a whole bunch of them using hashirama cells?? Then black zetsu who has no visual prowess, no rinnegan was able to read and rewrite the stone tablet in a way that would only require a rinnegan to read, when he doesn't have it. Just a bunch of nonsense.

Oak

When I first saw this, it was starting to feel like this is where they jumped the shark. I still enjoyed it overall, but it wasn't exactly an exciting revelation. I didn't even remember Kaguya the first time I watched this, so it made a little more sense watching again here. Maybe it's because I took such a long break waiting for the series to end once it got back to a bunch of fillers.

Douglas Andrade

Oh, man... But, anyways, I hope they do watch It.

Taiga

Kaguya-sama, love is war. Truly.

Taiga

I completely relate to Ron. It indeed feels extended/dragged on. But it's almost done perfectly. Like everything here connects very well. Other than the fact we've been introduced to Kaguya few episodes earlier, and then she just appeared on the screen as the biggest boss. It just feels like they made it on the spot. It's too sudden. Maybe Kishimoto had the whole idea since earlier, but missed an opportunity to introduce it earlier. Or maybe he just woke up one day, and it was a part of his dream, and he decided to go on with this. And about her abilities. The fact she can create a dimension in a moment is actually very understandable. Through the whole show, Madara/Hashirama were refered as 'gods'. Then, we've been shown an even stronger Madara with 10-tails, and now we are seeing even stronger entity. From my understanding, it should be obvious a god-like entity should be able to do such things. But other than that, yeah, i kinda have mixed feelings aswell, and not only me, the whole fanbase in the past discussed about characters gettings nerfs. We had such amazing abilities in the previous arcs, like Kamui or Rinnegan's abilities, and suddenly in new Arcs, overpowered characters seem weak and stupid. That's a recurring thing in Naruto (even in Boruto, who knows, knows).

Sy

Y’all high as shit

Izzy

It’s a polarizing plot twist for sure, and I get you’re just trying to give your opinion, but don’t influence how they feel too much, we can all talk more about it when they finish the series but let them make up their own mind. We saw that happen with Tokyo ghoul and it completely changed their experience.

EZ-3k!3!

To understand why it felt dragged on and extended, you need to first understand how Japanese manga industries work. When one manga became the best seller, the higher-ups will pressure the authors into making the series longer than it should be as a chance to fully utilize this "money grabber". Naruto is obviously extended, Gintama had the same fate and so it ended in a very bad way. As far as I know, Gintama has tried to end 3 times but failed, which made the whole "ending" after endings a joke to me. This is the biggest reason why you often times find plot holes in manga series, because some of the incidents were never planned at the beginning; if the author didn't know how a manga should end when he started the manga, things like this will happen. They tried to get around the plot holes almost perfectly in Naruto comparing to other shows, but some minor flaws still remain, something like how Naruto was treated despise being the son of the 4th, and how 3rd promised to protect Naruto but everyone knows he is or has the fox, without knowing he is the son of the hero.

Raheem Mcdermott

Your definitely not the only reactor I have seen feel some type of way about Kaguya's appearance and story in the ninja world. However, it does explain a lot about the Naruto world.

Montanna Roberts

You guys should watch Dr Stone (dub)! Ive recommended it before but I recently rewatched and remembered how good it is

Josef Segovia

The first time you hear about kaguya is her blessing Kimimarus Clan that’s why they were hunted back in OG Naruto

The Legendaria

This is when naruto got bad for me. Sadly Kishimoto was pressured to write a different ending. Madara is the true final boss. Kaguya was straight up pulled out of nothing and she isn't a better Antagonist.

Fang Leng

can you explain when and who stated that Madara was final boss, I think story makes it's clear that Sa.... is that

Fang Leng

also can you explain why sage of 6 path write stuff about killing your friends, family.... to get MSharingan... and how to enslave Humanity? cuz story makes this clear too that sage was good guy

Fang Leng

Best Kaguya reaction, like really. being spectical is always better than out right hating.

The Legendaria

SPOILER WARNING!! Ok so you're saying it's more clear that S is the final boss than Madara? And you also think Kaguya is a good replacement for Madara? Let me get this clear: I totally respect your opinion but you can't be seriously thinking that Kaguya is a better antagonist than Madara. Ok so first of all we only hear from Madara that the sage of Six paths wrote this stone tablet and I'm totally fine with the Black Zetsu plot in that topic but Madara was way more build up than Kaguya will ever be, oh yeah we got a Kaguya name drop in Naruto oh "Great" Madara on the other hand had been build up and not just mentioned a few times, he had a way bigger presence than the one you believe was set up to be the final boss and that's not even a discussion that's just a fact. I would say the contrary is the case: Sasuke was used the entire time by Madara and it would seem like he was gonna join and Fight Madara so you needed the two main Charakter against one dude that had a presence like no other character EVEN kishomoto himself acknowledged that Madaras Aura was too big, it's like: He clearly was setting up and building up Madara there's no doubt about that. But ok I think that Sasuke is the best choice for the last fight but he never was that real menace that EVERYONE fought against, we have to acknowledge that. Another argument for why Madara would be better than Kaguya is that it's just unsatisfying that Sasuke and Naruto weren't the ones who actually beat Madara. This final battle against Madara was just building up, the final fight against the dude we struggled the ENTIRE shippuden series with and I also mean Obito as Madara because him being Madara just pushed the actual Madara that his name alone was enough to start a war and then out of a sudden he get's beaten by f black Zetsu?? I dont buy that. It would have been ok if Kaguya was actually a good Charakter but she is just brain dead and only says "hAgorOmo" or "hAmuRa" the entire time. You can't even compare the two when it comes to presence and Charakter deepness. It's ok to have Kaguya in the story because she was mentioned before and also black zetsu changing the stone tablet but how about Madara absorbing Kaguya instead of Kaguya absorbing Madara. In that way the ACTUAL build up super menace of Shippuden would have had an even greater presence and it would have been a double OMG moment and then Sasuke and Naruto seal away Madara like they did with Kaguya. Way better I'm sorry but Kaguya AS THE FINAL VILLIAN (Not final fight) is just completely random because the people were ready for Madara getting finally beaten by the two Heroes. Just from a writing point of view is the ending bad and just out of nowhere, it was explained afterwards why all this happened I give you that but it's still not better than just letting the fight end we set up FROM THE BEGINNING OF SHIPPUDEN. You have to look into the history in that case: Kishimoto was forced to change the ending due to many reasons. His actual madara ending was way too similar to Aizens ending from bleach so they also pressured him about that but they also wanted that the series continues and so they made it longer.

Mary Fuller

Everyone's always complaining about Kaguya, but I never minded her coming back. I personally think black Zetsu doing the whole "it was all me all along!!" was worse than Kaguya being the final boss.

Bakin Jebin Siram

Most overrated character in ANIME HISTORY GOES TO MADARA🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️

Arbulon Rexhepi

Kaguya the final villain, THE WORST thing that happened in Naruto 🤮.

Bernardo Gonzalez

Tbh I didn’t like Kaguya. It should’ve stayed as Madara being the main villain.

Nati Sabio

same here, I did like Kaguya

Daniel Gedeon

First off Kaguya isnt the ending of Naruto, and the final vilain is Sasuke not Kaguya so you're wrong here and then you're lying about Kishimoto being forced to make an ending unlike Aizen ? Where does that source even from ?

Jesse Hanssen

Kaguya is a fire villain and her writing was not bad

Fabian1996

kaguya was shit and her writing was terrible I guess u havent watched many series to compare

Pierre daniels

Put lip gloss on ur lips more often u look gorgeous