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One Piece - 545 & 546 (Patreon)

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2025-11-23 22:17:00
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Jose Flores

I must be the chosen one

Antonio Riley

Y'all too old for this. Oda is trying to teach lesson and you are failing miserably to understand.

Jay rellim

the freaking Hannyabal voice actor for the celestrial dragon lolol

DuLee

It’s easy to understand why they feel this way. Just let them watch and come to their own conclusions. You’re speaking with hindsight in mind whereas they don’t see what you see yet.

Antonio Riley

Bullshit, One Piece is basic ass show. They have have watched more anime than me at this point. This arc is too predictable.

S

Yeah it's annoying when folks are willfully obtuse about Otohime and her struggle for a better future. Like duh we all want to kill the Celestial Dragon and say fuck the humans for the way they treat the fishmen, but where does that leave anyone...?

Mo za

JINbeii

Joee 55

Ron you are suposed to know by know the consequences of hitting a celestial dragon, imagine killing one, plus all the work that tiger and the princes did will be nullified instantly, and it would be seen like the fish man kingdom declared war to de world goverment. Sure nobody likes them, but killing one is sentencing everybody else to death basically.

Bim Skuddi

Yo they both deadass thought Otohime was gonna wash up dead on the beach lmao

R

fair to feel the way you felt ron, you ultimately did come around to her but I get what you are saying. michelle is right imo, you do need people like her to get the ball rolling sometimes since its been such a stalemate forever. even though she did seem ignorant for her own cause she was the one to light the fire to start it all. I havent watched this backstory in years but rewatching it with you guys made me teary eyed again lmao for both fisher tiger and otohime. I forgot how good this was

bakeedframez

someone's having a bad day lmao

Luna

I see the brothers in a new light after this😭 Yeah, I understand both of you guys with how you felt with Otohime. She is definitely too nice and naive for her own good sometimes. The bigger picture though she is the queen for a reason, her strength... no one can be like her But it shows how invested and how much you guys care in my eyes😌 this backstory do be rough though..😩

Kurofi

LMAO No Ron she's brave not dumb. She's actually extremely smart and maybe overly passionate throughout her whole flashback 😂 committing more violence gets them nowhere. Her getting in the way of bullets was her sacrificing herself for the bigger picture. How is that dumb? That's admirable, that she would die for her people. Even being willing to burn her hands to save the signatures that could change the future of her people and the island.....Oda's clearly trying to teach a lesson here, that people like her are important for change. I just don't get how that's dumb at all. You almost sound like Arlong lol

King Tut

Yeah like do we not remember what happened last time someone just punched a celestial dragon, it almost in the show. Plus calling Otohime stupid is a bit much because at the end of the day she almost completed her goal if it wasn't for her being killed. But that's all I enjoy there reaction even if i don't agree with them sometimes.

Aaron williams

Exactly they aren’t being genuine and it goes to show that Ron would get us killed because he wouldn’t think about consequences for actions. Based on the things we experienced in the story the celestial dragons are not logical they weren’t going to assume that he died on the way they see themselves as gods. The would automatically assume the worst especially of fish men who already are seen as less then human. Like are they paying attention to the story at all????

Aaron williams

No they aren’t thinking about the contents of the story. Or about how complicated the situation actually is the celestial dragons aren’t logical people they’re psychos with delusions of grandeur. They think they’re god they weren’t going to assume that he died on the way but that he was killed or kidnapped. And they are fish men beings who are seen as less than human it doesn’t matter. Did they forget an admiral gets sent if a dragon gets harmed like they would get the island buster called in this situation.

King Tut

Exactly especially when she made the point of not wanting to pass down hatred to the children but not killing a man in front of them to continue the cycle. those were literally fisher tiger final words

Jordan Dean

If Ron was in charge of a country they'd be in constant wars 😭

King Tut

Yeah I thought that was to whole point of fisher tiger story and death

Aaron williams

Please be foreal. Otohime is the intelligent one in this situation. You would get the island buster called that’s for sure Ron. An admiral gets sent when a celestial dragon gets harmed everyone would have been screwed if they killed him every fishman in the world would become a target. Like killing that man was a bad choice that’s why she is queen , a leader, and they are not. Because if he died they would NEVER know peace. Fishman island would be destroyed so there would be nowhere for any fishman to really hide. It’s a domino effect. Everyone knows how deluded the dragons are they wouldn’t believe that man died on the way they’re “omnipotent gods” they wouldn’t believe immediately believe the fish men that they already hate did something and it would be a reason to kill them all. And she’s not dumb what? She knows that the future of the kingdom requires what she aims to accomplish. She wasn’t blindly making decisions she chose everybody else over herself in that situation her failure to do so would have made a much bigger mess because just like you the fish men were thinking emotionally in that situation. The fish men continuing to exist and reaching peace and prosperity means more to her than her life or her temporarily hurt feelings. Her quick thinking prevented a historical incident. If there were more leaders like her the world would not be in the state it’s in now. The

Kurofi

I totally thought the same thing lmaooooooo

지원

hihi

MIRACHAN FF

“No, no, no… Every arc you guys keep saying, ‘This is the best backstory!’ 🤣 Oda is truly a masterpiece himself — the GOAT of storytelling.”

Aaron williams

That’s the thing she wasn’t ignorant she was desperate because she knew that fish men are walking an a knives edge and fisher tiger already freed a bunch of slaves and everyone knows that he did. One small thing would get the island destroyed. Look at the void century secret. Asking a question will get you and everybody associated with you labeled as a high priority criminal the world government killed everyone on O’Hara just because of a small group of people committing this crime. And that’s a celestial dragon who are beings titled as Gods. If she didn’t do what she did the fish men would have faced extinction. Her goal and aim was always their survival that’s not ignorant at all that’s wisdom. a complete understanding of the situation they are in and she believed it mattered more than her own life and she was right. Look at what happened when luffy punched one. If it weren’t for kuma saving their lives they would have died that day.

JustRojo

I mean to your point Ron, I think Otohime’s character was done very intentionally by Oda. Like yes, you stand for her ideals but the way she goes about it just frustrates you from time to time and some of her decisions but at the end of the day, it got results . In their 200 or 800 year history, she managed to accomplish all that she did regardless of how it happened. But yeah, I think Oda shines in that aspect to not make every character perfectly written, he wants there to be imperfectly written characters just to show that some people do be like this

LJ

It's not even hindsight. Ron wants instant revenge to satisfy emotions. Which is understandable. Ron is literally Arlong lol, I watched this Anime as a kid and even I in this backstory understood where the Queen was coming from on first watch. My point is that everyone is different, which is why Oda is goated. Everyone who watches OP can relate to different characters reactions to what is happening

LJ

Ron if a group of people hurt one of your loved ones and you had the chance to get your revenge, but then you find out this group of people can at any moment hurt/kill everyone you love if you so much as give them the wrong look what would you do? Is it stupid to play the long game, or would you just get your revenge and have them kill all your loved ones? The Queen is the smartest person we have met in the story, emotionally and intellectually.

@llM1ghty

Vander Decken's ability needs to physically touch his target with his right hand so all weapons will stay on target. That is why Vander keeps wearing that glove, so Shirahoshi will forever stay as a painted target.

Jack

You're frustrated with Otohime's kindness and willingness to forgive the evils of the celestial dragon for the sake of her people but you wanted Tiger to take the blood of those very same humans. Remember, he was a slave and also knows the Celestial Dragons very well. To do what Otohime did is in some way very similar, showing the youth what needs to be done will be the only way to break the cycle. It's frustrating to see Otohime show Myosgarde kindness and let him go because we know how awful they can be and what they are doing to people, but think about how much strength that takes. She's not stupid bro, she's far more emotionally intelligent than a lot of the cast we've met so far.

tris273

Always trust Otohime. She had some jesus-like personality traits. Always understand and excuse your enemy collectively for a better world. She wasn't dumb at all, she could've just played more fanservice (not sexual term but in terms on being impulsive and showing her power in a aggressive way). Otohime really was always completely underrated. She's the smartest to this point by far i guess.

tris273

Dude the Brothers of Shirahoshi... as we first got introduced to them the blue haired (fukaboshi) is always manly, collected and like a leader while the other two had these psychotic traits ''Mamboooo! La-Ti-Dooo!''. I hated them, thought it was this typical annoying one piece goofiness that overstimulates in atmospheric moments. Then with the backstory i learned that they weren't always like that :'(. The fact that they got so traumatized bc these both had the responsability to save the world by making their sister laugh while a big terroract is going on and their mom got executed before their eyes... just speaking about that. Totally noramal to Mambo Do re mi fa so the fck out of the rest of your life after this. Nah what i mean is... how does Oda just randomly sprinkle such magnificient yet hyperdramatic storylines into the backroud of whats happening. No one ever talked abt these both brothers bc Oda just casually writes such deep charactertraits.

William Glasgow

26:17 its the whole point of everything, and its our job to just not rob their dreams

Emmanuel Obeng

Just blew my mind I didn’t even catch that

Zero

Even though in the moment Otohime's actions seems so frustrated when you really think about it, it hits different. She was the only hope fishmen had for peace. Like real peace

John Colburne

This backstory is so good and underrated

Melker Linderoth

Dont forget that Otohime has been confirmed to have incredible observation haki, which allowed her to save the celestial dragon without risking her life and also allows her to sense the emotions of the people around her. That's why she understood Fisher Tiger and that's why she understood all the other former slaves. Idk calling her stupid when she's almost single handedly ending a cycle of hatred and history of racism is wild.

R

I agree, i was just tryna say it from rons perspective by using the word ignorant since thats what he took away from it

Ben

Idealism isn't always logical, but the counterpoint is that to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results is insanity. Someone has to try something new, even if it seems crazy. I loveeeee this arc and this might be my favorite backstory in the series. Jinbe, Shirahoshi, Otohime, and Tiger are my GOATs.

Ben

(I get being frustrated though hahahaha)

nk

bro quotes vaas and considers himself sane

Bunie

Not gonna reiterate since everyone has already explained it better than I probably can (and i’m sure you’ve heard enough 💀) but damn Ron calling Otohime stupid for her actions is kinda crazy ngl 😭 it’s frustrating yes but that’s just how complex the situation is. On that note, I really like how realistic the issues they’re facing here are. It’s not as simple as just killing the villain(s) and all is magically resolved.

NicoSilverArt

i think Ron‘s frustration is valid. I felt the same way first and then came around. The show clearly wants you to be upset at her actions to make you realize something later. As they’re honest reactors I would be shocked if they were completely fine with this.

SomeoneElse

The music that plays during Otohime's death is so good

Mr.popiah

Well, he also called tiger stupid too. 🤷

Mr.popiah

Ikr. It’s like he’s forgotten she has haki or something

Mr.popiah

Ron really be out here acting like Otohime isn’t the queen and actions have no consequences 🧐

Melker Linderoth

Seeing as it was mentioned like once I can imagine they did

Saint Bonnie🎭™ 🆁🅲🅰

I’m not reading all this but to your main point how come the admiral wasn’t sent to save him from the sea king attacking & wrecking his ship? They don’t get automatically alarmed someone has to report it

Aaron williams

Us context clues please if the killed him time would have kept passing which would have caused alarm because people knew he left he literally went on a ship with marines. And yes he didn’t get harmed by people plus the fish men gave him a ship and the queen to explain what happened therefore the harm he experienced was because of nature which is not the same thing

Phyllis

It’s heartening to see so many people understand Otohime and the cause she dedicated herself to. Ron, your feelings are valid, and it is frustrating to watch kind and good people extend kindness to people you believe don’t deserve it. It can make you want to tear your hair out. I felt the same too. But Otohime is working toward a distant, long-term goal for her people, and she can’t allow that first hard-won step forward to be undone by taking two steps back. Because Otohime has Observation Haki, she can sense people’s emotions. She felt Fisher Tiger’s deep hatred for humans even though he never said a word and that’s why she cried. She also let her guard down as she was so happy about the signatures coming in from her people's support and did not detect the gunshot, which is how the fatal shot pierced her heart. Knowing she couldn’t be saved, she used her final breaths not for herself, but to soothe her children, who were devastated and furious over her assassination. In those last moments, she reminded them that the cycle of hatred must not continue if their people are ever to move forward and the boys to protect their sister. The children on this island need guidance, not seeds of hatred planted in their hearts, and she embodied that ideal herself, guiding even the adults toward understanding.

Dandy Zoran

Fisher Tiger and Otohime definitely reflect Martin Luther King Jr and Malcolm X. Both had different approaches to fight against oppression, but wanted the same thing. Just when they were making a big difference they were assassinated. Art does imitate life.

Antonio Riley

We got to remember Ron has no foresight and loves ragebaiting to an unhealthy degree.

Potetskall

Otohime's whole thing is that the children (the future generation) needs to see a better world so they dont grow up in the same hatred. She isnt oblivious to the racism and discrimination fishmen are going through, she just want to end the cycle of hatred

Dandy Zoran

Wow. Thanks for that insight. I totally missed that as well.

Malcolm

I get why people try to compare Otohime to MLK, but the parallels fall apart fast. MLK created real, enforceable civil rights changes; Otohime’s actions don’t shift anything long-term—Fishman Island is still oppressed and politically powerless (without an emperor's backing like Big Mom/White Beard). She’s a sympathetic character, but her impact to the story is shallow if you were to compare them... And I get why Ron calls her dumb—not because peace is stupid, but because the writing makes her ignore her people’s reality. Her calling fishmen “cowards" (I get she was drunk but still) despite them being branded like animals for generations, was especially tone-deaf and made me upset... As a person she's written beautifully and imperfect but she's a terrible leader in my personal opinion if you compare her to MLK. What I got from her character was she was mainly used to inspire those around her which she does but not much of anything else...

Michael H

Gotta break the cycle of hatred somewhere. Channel your inner Naruto, Ron!

Revolution To Evolution

AJ Lee just said you have to be willing to lose everything, to get what you want. Playing safe can give you a confort life, but not an exceptional one.🔥🔥🔥

kev

he called her stupid because she did stupid things like try to save paper from fire or literally become a meat shield infront of your children for a complete stranger. If the celestial dragon did die, shes the stupid kind that would confess it to the world government dooming her country

Henz

This is why there was ever only one Jesus. One may see delusion, another sees unshakeable hope and will. Otohime chose the hardest path but if successful it would also yield the longest sustaining and deepest impact for her people and the generations to come. It's going for the long haul. The best things in life do not come easy. This was Otohime's dream and you can bet she pursued it with every cell in her body up until the very end.

Karaka

Queen Otohime has a correct way of looking at things…if they kill the Celestial Dragon nothing would change and the cycle of hate would just continue Especially letting the kids witness these things makes it worse

Karaka

I agree with the Malcom X and Fisher Tiger comparison but disagree with the MLK and Otohime comparison tbh

Karaka

I don’t know if you noticed but the two brothers who were trying to cheer Shirahoshi up only started acting goofy after that moment…and now in current time they still do it

Bunie

Her saving the signatures despite them being on fire is not only due to the rush of adrenaline but also her trying to grasp at the things she has devoted her whole life towards, i don’t find that stupid at all. Btw her acting as a shield is really what saved her people from getting obliterated, remember they’re celestial dragons.. they’re extremely illogical and would have the fishmen go extinct if they found out one of their kind disappeared EVEN if word wouldn’t go out that he was killed directly by them. You really have to look at the bigger picture here; Otohime, despite “looking” dumb on the surface, is really the hero in this case that prevented an outbreak of war.

tris273

I have the same opinion. Just wanted to underline the "why". I love that they're not goofy for no reason.

Iriasu

MLK was so whitewashed and pacified smh, he was not as moderate as u think he was. White people back then considered him a radical, a far fetch from the peace loving pacifist he is portrayed as now.

Low

Fuck celestial dragons is all i can say. But trust in gOda otohime's death will not be in vain 🤌

Kayso

RIP Queen Otohime 😢 love the dialogue that sparked in the comments. I pretty much agree with both sides. 1. The comments pretty much telling Ron, nah Otohime's actions are her actions and she stands in her beliefs in wanting to stop the cycle of hatred. 2. Ron's disagreement of some of her actions and thinking she's stupid for them. Both of these angles I see in the comments. I get where Ron is coming from but at the same time I totally agree with everyone defending Otohime saying how she isn't dumb/stupid. That's what makes this so conflicting and complicated and its what also makes this backstory so great.

Antonio Riley

Ron is team Arlong. Destined to fail.

idkwhy

I can understand your feelings because you are an emotional person, Ron, but don't forget she's a queen, she can't be guided by emotions as we do. Queen Otohime may be weak and dreamy, but definitely not ignorant or dumb. I would say she's the smartest person we've seen so far. She thinks not one step ahead, but 5 steps ahead.

Noto

being a queen doesn't mean your for the people, its just means you married the king

Ivandro Moreira

It was mentioned at least 2 or 3 times. But in fact it seems like they missed every single one. Or they just don't believe it. Strange enough, Haki was already explained to us, but they think things that don't have nothing to do with Haki(the one explained until now) are haki for some reason, like Shirahoshi talking with Sea Kings.

kidCash3

I agree with Ron let’s keep it a stack this was so predictable

Tooth Mylight

@Noto and a kings duty is to care for his people...

Chop Chop Chopper

Trying to change the world for the better is never dumb Ron. it is easy to kill your oppressors. But will that change anything?

3lliott

I’m just now realizing how alike queen otohime and king harald are 😮😮(iykyk)