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Y'all, why are we doing this? Honestly, I'm not sure. I think it is UNDENIABLE that JYPapi has a really great understanding of how to be a successful idol. He understands all the elements needed to be great. Some of the songs in his Killing Voice are genuinely really good!!

I think he just... isn't an artist. And that's okay! I think doing this makes him really happy and he loves it, so I don't want anyone to ever take that away from him. But he simply just is not very talented.

But... does he need to be on stages? Does he need to be putting out all these videos? I... I don't know. I honestly don't. I'm not even trying to be funny. I don't know the right answer.

Who are any of us to tell someone they CAN'T perform? Obviously people are supporting him, so why not...? 🤷🏾‍♀️ But maybe I need to just not react to him. Cuz I feel like I'm just making fun of someone doing what makes them happy at this point and I don't need to be that person. Lol. Do you, Papi!!

(But... this was objectively a lot of fun and I'm glad to have had friends to share this moment with me! Y'all are hilarious.)

Timestamps:4:58 - 'WET' On The Spot Performance Video8:55 - 'WET' Dance Practice14:26 - 'WET' Relay Dance19:26 - WATERBOMB Clip w/ Rain21:25 - Full Killing Voice Performance49:17 - DINO - 'Micheo Micheo' Live Performance

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Gaia Piazza

I'm here only for the fancam with Rain oppa AHAHAHAH joking for Dino too 😊😂😂😂 oh JYP...

Carl Dungca

How dare you upload this right as my showing of Spider-man was starting! j/k Resident JYP defender here. (But not a stan; no one should stan anyone ever. I don't know how that pejorative was ever unironically "reclaimed.") JYP's vocal stylings, I read as "commit to the bit 1000%," with emoting cranked to 11. Maximum earnestness. Strain your voice, sell the aching feelings. Subtlety can be hard to read, so make the point unmistakable. Definitely a take it or leave style, no doubt. But while I do advocate for giving the man an honest try, I also readily recognize that he's past his prime, in regards to vocal conditioning. He is cursed by his stubborn commitment to "give the audience what they paid for," so he will always sing live, even if he's not fit for it (see his infamous Blue Dragon set while sick), or cannot last for more than a few songs without getting hoarse. What I can't agree with you on, though, is your assessment is that he's not an "artist." As you readily concede, his writing and production bonafides are impeccable. And he was transgressive from day 1--in his fashion, in his rejection of the conventional concept of an idol "being married to the fans," in his refusal to present himself as chaste in a conservative society, in his choreography, in his vocal technique/stylings. What is an artist if not someone who uses some form of media to convey their thoughts and perspectives, especially if they run counter-culture. I say it is "art," and art can be "bad" by some perspectives. It can miss the mark. It can be not commercially-viable. But what matters for meeting the criteria of the label "art" is having some point of view and evoking some feeling in the viewer. One thing I always see people say about JYP is that they would be unstoppable if they had his level of confidence. And to that, I say, what's stopping you? "We" (both individually and collectively) are our own worst enemy. While I 100% believe people are entitled to voice their opinions, for better and for worse, I do also believe negative public dog-piling has the domino effect of reinforcing peoples' inherent self-doubts of doing public-facing things, for fear of being "made an example of." I believe it has the net societal effect of suppressing hidden talents' growth potential. To respond to that friction, I see two routes that might be helpful and healing: A.) either be like JYP and (metaphorically) say "eff the haters, I'll do what I want and live sincerely," or B.) have society just give their "two cents" and not a whole "twenty-dollar bill with recurring payments" with voicing negative opinions. I am sooooooooooooooooo anti the "good vibes only" mentality, so I reiterate to people: speak your truth, even if it's negative. But man, we also just might also be poisoning the well. Peace, love, live and let live, agree to disagree, and despite this whole diatribe above, don't worry Khadija, I respect you and especially your perspectives as a performer. I followed you here from RiVerse, I've disagreed with some of your takes or magnitude of response before, and I'm still here and will continue to be so.

Khadija RiVERSE

That is one interpretation of his vocal stylings... that's definitely not what I notice when I critique his voice. There are definitely lots of different ways to bring emotion into your vocals and we have reacted to lots of singers who have unique styles and can really push that emotion factor to the limits. Janine Berdin is a great example - some people might not like her singing style cuz it's too much straining, aching, whispering, cracking, etc. But, outside of all of that, she very clearly has a really strong vocal tone as the foundation of her singing. JYP simply does not, from a technical standpoint. Even back in the 90s, his vocals were just not very strong (imo). And I do get what you mean about him creating art. I think in that sense, if we're asking if he is creating something that is creative, evocative, expansive, then yes, of course this is art. I use the word in the sense that it's used in the music industry - we use the label "artist" to specifically talk about people who are performing on stage, on records, etc. It's to differentiate from creatives who are more behind the scenes - songwriters, producers, etc. I think he's a fantastic artist in the sense of being able to create art. But when it comes to being the person who's voice you hear and who you see on stage? I don't think that's the role for him anymore. I mean, of course he can do whatever he wants and what makes him happy. ANY person can be an artist at any point in their lives, honestly. But if you're aligning yourself with the top professional artists who are also on M COUNTDOWN, doing Killing Voice, etc.? ...nah, I just don't think he's there at this stage of his life. I do appreciate that you enjoy his music, you support his performance, you're ready to stand behind and advocate for him (in a kind, respectful way)! He is undeniably a huge force in the k-pop industry and deserves respect for that. You're right, the commentary online does end up being just dogpiling on someone who is happy doing what he loves, so we really don't need to continue adding to that. Shoutout Jay Why Papi for living his truth!! Haha

Carl Dungca

As with your reactions, this kind of considered, decently elaborative response is why I appreciate you. Genuinely, thank you for your time and energy reading and responding. FWIW, I do believe that if he weren't the namesake of a major label and, now, the head of the SK govt's global cultural expansion ministry he wouldn't get the platforming and spotlighting that he is able to enjoy. Even if he abstains from any unethical coercion afforded by his position, he undoubtedly has significant "soft-power." (The fact that many vocal netizens actually demand the company break from their code and utilize unethical means to promote their bands is a whole other unrelated topic.) Or for a more cynical viewpoint, the (at least Western) media has a perspective of "if it bleeds, it leads." So sometimes a "trainwreck" or controversial conversation-starter is reason enough to spotlight something/someone, to drive traffic and eyeballs to ad revenue and pump engagement metrics.