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The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, Season 5, Episode 4 (Patreon)

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Weird Magic

When I was a sophomore in high school, I have a distinct memory of literature class. Not sure which book or any of those specifics, but my teacher expounded all the different symbolisms that were included in the book. I was very much like Rose Weissman at the time - I had read the book and thought all of the symbolism's discussed were stretches - I took all the words at face value and nothing more. When it was time to write the paper, my sarcastic nature came out regarding said symbolism :). My teacher asked me into his office the next day with these angry words...."I suppose you think I'll find symbolism in a pimple on a dog's ass!" First time I had heard a teacher swear - didn't know they even did that ;) But it stuck, and now I try to find the symbolism I can while still not stretching too far. Originally airing on April 21, 2023, 'Susan' is Episode 4 of Season 5 of The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. It is the 38th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 7.6, placing it as the #9 ranked episode of this season and #38 out of all the episodes shown so far. I'm shocked this is the worst rated show for Maisel....the production value was certainly top notch!

Brian Harris

You’re absolutely right, sometimes playwrights don’t know what they’re writing. In fact, it’s a lot better if they don’t. I’m a director for theatre, and a number of times I’ve pulled an observation out of a play while it’s in rehearsal that the playwright thought was way off, then came to me after thinking about it and said, “You were right, I didn’t even know that was something I felt.” Abe is pretty bright about this stuff, I wouldn’t be surprised if the playwright really was writing about Jesus and sexuality. BUT There is no wrong in art. Ever. There’s BAD art. THAT’s wrong. But interpretations of art are never, ever wrong, and it makes me nuts as an artist when I hear people say there is.

Aaron

There’s a great joke in this episode that tends to go over most people’s heads if you don’t know NYC well. At the industrial show, when the guy advertises the Second Avenue Subway, Susie says “good luck with that.” The Second Avenue subway was first proposed in the 1920s, construction began in the ‘70s and phase one of that subway didn’t open until 2017. And apparently phase two is “ready to begin construction in 2024.” Two (of many) great Broadway actor appearances in this episode: Annie Golden (the secretary handing out shots) starred in Broadway’s Hair in the 1970s and the original cast of Sondheim’s Assasins. And Janusz, Zelda’s man is played by Alexander Gemignani, a Broadway actor, musician, conductor and now musical director with an impressive resume. And he’s the son of all-time theater legend Paul Gemignani, a musical director who shaped a ton of musical theater shows and songs we know today.

Youtalkingtome
>>133378249

When I was in highschool I wasn't very savvy on symbolism either. When I read The Great Gatsby is when it really started to click for me.

Youtalkingtome
>>133386220

It's why I'm so up and down on critics and Rotten Tomatoes specifically. There's no right and wrong answer. You can love Micheal Bay movies while a majority of film snobs don't. You truly can have it all! I love that art is subjective. Werner Herzog, Terrence Malick, David Lynch are great examples of artists who make films and truly ask you, what do think?

Youtalkingtome
>>133402587

I love the strong broadway connection that this show has. So many folks from the stage grace our small screens.

Roland Cooke

This was the episode that I hadn't seen, and I'm not buzzing happily afterwards. It wasn't terrible overall and the Trash Musical was fantastic of course. But the sabotaging of the second showing didn't just annoy the audience, it annoyed me. Now I get that's probably the reaction the writers were going for, but it just felt...wrong. Usually I'm buzzing with excitement / joy / or nervous tension at the end of the episode, this one didn't land that way for me. When we've previously seen sabotage / self-sabotage it's been hilarious and/or dread-inducing. This just felt....lazy. (Caveat: I watched the episode while I was a bit tired, so maybe it was me doing the sabotaging!)

CB

I love your comment "the Donald Trump of people" lol! If you havent already seen them, could you please consider reacting to the shows The Plot Against America and/or Years and Years? I think you would be the only reactors who could really do them justice. Thanks!

alani

hi! just some thoughts about the temper tantrum on stage- i totally agree that it's hard to watch and childish as hell of her, definitely plays into her family's whole M.O. with how they handle any slights. however, she has no idea the stakes with the mob guys. she's never around when they're threatening susie so while midge is apprehensive about them, she has no way of knowing exactly how dangerous and icky they get behind closed doors because of how privileged and sheltered she is. also, it's joel's line that really gets me, "why is she giving up on stage- she never gives up". it's not just that she had a bad day at work, it's the culmination of months of work on the show with the hope to one day get on it, putting a lot of her standup career on hold, because she trusted susie that this was the big break. so all of that is crashing down because he's saying it's not a no today, it's a permanent no. all that to say i still agree that it's a couple damn shows, it's not that hard, just suck it up, but at the same time (with the benefit of hindsight) i think it's a wakeup call for midge, susie, and joel that these guys are not goofy and fun, and if it wasn't this favor, it would've been some other humiliating thing down the line

Youtalkingtome
>>137319632

You do have a point. Of course it's been building up, I just don't think either one of us can condone or tolerate an adult having that kind of behavior. However, we shouldn't be judged by our worst moments. That's not what defines us as people.