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Mad Men, Season 6, Episode 5 (Patreon)

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Actuarial Lurker

The start of a run of 3 excellent episodes S6E5 through S6E7, we are in April 1968 and we all know what that means...and the way that MLK Jr is treated versus JFK in Season 3 shows how bad the US has turned and parallels the fall of Don, Pete...

Actuarial Lurker

In your prologue you mention Sylvia's husband....it's implied that he is one of the top heart surgeons in the US...interesting contrast with Joan's ex spousal assaulter Greg

Actuarial Lurker

Peggy is apartment hunting in the East 80s on the Upper East Side. I lived near there after college in the early 1990s after going to high school in the East 90s during the early 1980s. Back in the 1960s this was a rich but dicey area near Spanish Harlem that starts on 96th street. Now it's gentrified diagonally where 92nd by the river is near a housing project but 103rd and 5th by Central Park has doorman condos and the end of Museum Mile. Don by contrast lives in the penthouse on 72nd and Park Ave which is where the Koch Brothers and various hedge fund billionaires live now....recall back in Season 1 where Pete and Trudy are looking in the 80s near Park and Pete's late father says "it falls off" above 72nd and his mothers says No it falls off above 86th....

Actuarial Lurker

Kevin- what they are saying is NOT only that they aren't married BUT that SHE out-earns HIM as well

Actuarial Lurker

Joe starts out saying we don't get a lot of Bobby- but wait until later in the episode at the movies...and then the horrible heart-rending confession of Don to Megan about how he felt before and after .....

Actuarial Lurker

Ginsburg's date is funny until we hear the news...what a juxtapose

Actuarial Lurker

It IS Harry Hamlin- he is the Cutler the other C in CGC...and Paul Newman DID present at the 4th Andy Awards on the night MLK Jr died- in the middle of a speech touting Eugene McCarthy he broke the news in real life....

Actuarial Lurker

RFK was in Indianapolis and stood unprotected on the back of a car quoting Aeschylus and asking for peace prevented riots there...Harlem, Newark NJ. Washington, DC, and Watts, CA had very BAD riots ... too bad his anti-Vax son could cost Biden the Presidency and saddle us with the loss of Democracy

Actuarial Lurker

RFK dies in June 1968 after the CA primary...so about 8-9 weeks later

Actuarial Lurker

The utter cynicism of the real estate broker telling Peggy to lowball the offer since her potential apartment is not far from the riots...and the reaction later when someone bids higher....

Actuarial Lurker

The Property insurance guy is of course Ethan one of the "others" from Lost-and Roger obviously knows him from his "trips" which he may be on during the meeting

Actuarial Lurker

YES- Betty has Don drive the kids through the post MLK Harlem riots....just when you liked her for being there for Sally's first period a few episodes back when Lane died

Actuarial Lurker

The look on Peggy's face when Abe says "raise our kids"....

Actuarial Lurker

Remember Season 1 pilot episode- Don tells Pete if he keeps acting like he did with Peggy he will be a balding guy in an office that women go home with because they feel sorry for him...and now we have him in the bachelor apartment trying to connect with the Chinese takeout delivery guy...and IS all alone

Actuarial Lurker

In the epilogue- Ginsburg is also honestly horrified

Actuarial Lurker
>>133568592

or the 1980s series LA Law....which is a great period piece about Yuppies in LA....all the more real since it aired at the time

Actuarial Lurker
>>133568269

The use of Planet of the Apes as the other shoe dropping with MLK Jr after JFK...If RFK Sr had been President rather than Nixon imagine where the US would have been now....

Jesus

Dr Zaius Dr Zaius

Brian Harris

I just looked ahead at the rest of the season on Wikipedia - I think it’s ALL bangers the rest of the way. Matthew Weiner’s batting average is insane.

Brian Harris
>>133570224

Complicated relationships with all of them. None of these characters are all good or all bad. Such a realistic collection of people.

Brian Harris
>>133567935

I love some NY history and geography, so thank you for this. I’ve spent a lot of time in that city, I try to go at least a few times a year, but I’ve never gotten to live there, so I’m envious and fascinated.

tom

I think you guys misread the Peggy and Abe scene. She was positively beaming and stayed that way until the end of the scene once he mentioned kids. She started out frustrated and impatient, but all of the dissolved away as soon as he said that and it became all she could think about.

tom

Reminder that Ted and Peggy didn't get Ketchup last episode, so they weren't coming into gloat like it seemed. Both firms got screwed, Heinz just wanted to poach their ideas and go with a bigger more renowned agency. It was more of a "Let's both mope about this horrible industry" moment

tom

I love how episodes like this flesh out the characters' politics and morals a bit. Like the contrast of Joan and Peggy's hugs with the respective secretary affected by the crisis. Yes, Dawn was a lot less emotional and more pragmatic than Peggy's secretary, but also Joan hugging her is sooo awkward! Despite Joan usually generally being more emotionally intelligent and socially adept, it comes across so forced and I think she didn't know what to do. She is empathetic, but not grounded enough to really understand how someone would feel on an individual basis. It comes off as even a bit patronizing. Meanwhile Peggy, despite not being as outpouringly emotional, makes an effort to hug her secretary when she tells that she wants to (with Joan not being able to tell that Dawn does not want a hug right now lol), it's an interesting rare role reversal. And then the Harry and Pete scene. Harry continues to be a more and more obnoxious piece of shit. It's funny that Pete's last line about MLK's wife and kids reminds us of how different Harry was in S1, when *he* was the family man. He was the saving grace of Pete's scummy group of friends, and now he has all this career success and he's insufferable. Pete being passionate about racial issues is a fascinating part of his character to me considering the background he comes from. It's not the first time we've seen this from him, like when he wanted to market tv to the black population and was confused about the resistance considering its clear financial upside. Pity his apparent appreciation for equal rights doesn't transcend gender too...

tom

I like Trudy holding her ground. She doesn't want the line she drew between her and Pete to become immediately undone. And it could be read as concern for his daughter or him looking for an excuse to see Trudy, but I think Pete genuinely has spent so little time with his daughter that he forgot how old she is lol

tom

To be fair, Don's story this episode is as disconnected from the MLK stuff as Betty's is. Vanity is one way to look at it, I saw it as a further development of the show demonstrating how comparatively healthy Betty and Henry's relationship is. After he tells her about his ambition and that he wants everyone to meet her (the "real" her, which I take to mean her as she is rather than her ideal perfect wife self she doesn't feel like she's physically living up to), we see her holding up her old dress and then lowering it while continuing to look in the mirror, as if there's some form of acceptance of her weight. Sort of like a metaphor for her current marriage, after Henry's words she isn't striving for something greater or feeling like she settled or that this is a backup like it was back in S3. As she puts the dress down and focuses on her reflection, it's the completion of an arc -- once a strategic move, her marriage has become something she can actually embrace. Don and Betty both vaguely stew in their usual habits throughout this episode -- Don thinking about his mistress, Betty snapping at her ex husband about his parenting -- but by the end the MLK assassination oddly brings them both to an emotional progression. Of course, I could be reading too much into it, but the dress/weight metaphor feels very pertinent to me given the focus on Betty and Henry.

tom

"Has anyone called him an alcoholic" I'm sure in a hundred different ways that many people have, but the 60s + Mad Men dialogue = never would anything so direct be uttered

tom

The Don monologue caught me off-guard. I remembered him talking about pretending to feel love for his children, some bits and pieces, it's very well-written. But seeing it play out, I forgot how long and intense it was. How utterly *tired* Don looks. I think there's been a few times you guys have praised Jon Hamm's drunk acting, and it's alright but a bit hammy (pun unintended) for me and I'm always consciously aware that it's a performance. I never said anything because I don't like to put a damper on Mad Men gushing. But. THIS scene. In that moment, everything is so unbelievably real. Everything about Jon Hamm's acting makes the acting itself disappear, and he's just Don. How crestfallen and heartbroken he is. So, so tired. When he gets to the end of that monologue and talks about finding love in his heart, and his lack of change in expression leaves that lingering subtextual question: is it too late?

Actuarial Lurker
>>133567935

My pleasure. I was born and raised in NYC, and moved to the NYC suburbs in 1998. I'm was born in 1966 (so would be the same age as Joan and Roger's "accidental" baby), my mother is the same age as Roger's daughter (who got married the day after the JFK event, while my parents married about 16 months later in 1965), and my late father was born in 1939 (so he would have been the same age as Peggy Olsen or Megan and slightly younger than Pete or Kenny). So Mad Men has a special place for me since it's NYC and the YOUNGEST characters in the show are about my age. This DEFINITELY is a tale of the upper class- they only have tangentially shown the street crime (when Joan and Roger were mugged and then conceived their kid in the alley while Greg was in Nam) and they pretty accurately portray everything else- especially the lack of people of color. In the even then very progressive NYC my father said that he would NEVER see any African American or Latino people in Midtown unless they were at work as doorman, elevator operators, in cafeteria or janitorial staff or commuting to work on the subway (he took the subway in the mid 1950s to get to high school)- so Dawn is accurately portrayed as breaking barriers when she works as Don's secretary. i was only 2 in 1968 when MLK jr and RFK happened and don't remember any of it...have SOME vague recollection of the Apollo moon shot in July 1969 but to a 3 year old child the more important thing I DO remember from 1969 was being in Sea World in Orlando, Florida in December 1969. Vividly remember remember the early 70s- watching Watergate unfold, the fall of Saigon and Nixon resigning while watching TV on summer break in August 1974 when I was 8. So this is very much a tale of my parent's childhood

Actuarial Lurker
>>133570605

Actually since her mother had convinced her "that he is just using you for practice" when his proposal was to move in with her- it was self-affirming when he implied that they would be together and have kids, and she lit up

Actuarial Lurker
>>133586752

Exactly her face lit up since her ultra-Catholic mother walked out when she found out at dinner that they would "live in sin" and told Peggy "he will use you as practice" and said she just adopt a few cats one after another until she dies....

Actuarial Lurker
>>133588210

I agree. But I believe this is what drove Henry to get married to Betty. He was divorced with a 20 year old daughter who was friends with Jane and even said to the lawyer advising them- do you think I would bring scandal to the Governor's office) He went in trying to get a wife and young kids so that IF he ever made a political move he would still be the "family guy with the blonde wife and family in the suburbs". It turns OUT that Henry is a decent guy and has grown to fall in love with Betty

Actuarial Lurker
>>133588930

We are finally seeing Don fall far enough to possibly reach the first step of a 12 step program...not quite, but getting there. It was a good sequel to the immersive monologue of the Summer Man episode in Season 4 when he journals and tries to get fit enough to beat the guy who swims in the next lane over at the gym

Weird Magic
>>133569996

So upset someone else mentioned LOST before me!!! And FWIW - he's Tom Cruise's cousin

Weird Magic

Originally airing on April 28, 2013, 'The Flood' is Episode 5 of Season 6 of Mad Men. It is the 70th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.2, placing it as the #7 ranked episode of this season and #37 out of all the episodes shown so far.

tom
>>133588210

Now that you say it, it could be a completely negative reading and when he said "the real you" he means "the woman I married", aka him indirectly pressuring her to lose the weight and become blonde again so he can have the trophy wife he sought in the first place. Going "ok I supported you, but it's enough of this, I'm going to be more important so you need to be good enough for me". Given the whole emotional context of the scene it's unlikely, but something about that reading does click with me and it also connects to Betty in the following scene again thinking about her weight...

Robert Bauman
>>133587269

Harry has been the scummiest SCDP employee for a while (which is saying something) and somehow continues to get more annoying

Actuarial Lurker
>>133588210

Betty is vain, due to her upbringing as her own father pointed out when trying to let her know hoe to settle his affairs, and recall the story Grandpa Gene tells about how Betty's mother made Betty walk home from downtown as a kid when she got pudgy...

Youtalkingtome
>>133587269

I do like the actor who plays Harry a lot. It's interesting that the only real good dead Harry has done is for Paul. That episode was genuinely moving. As far as Pete, how is he so race conscious but so ignorant with gender.

Youtalkingtome
>>133588210

That was really well said. This does feel like "vintage" Mad Men. Season 6 and they still have these patterns. Henry really surprised me in a good way. I hope it is genuine support and he's not up to something sleezy

Youtalkingtome
>>133588930

I did really like that sequence. I know he was probably nominated for this season. I think that scene should have won him the Emmy

Jesus
>>133578051

Im gonna Yes And you and call the Matt Reeves movies part of the top 5 sci-fi movies of the last 20 years

Scott Pearson Eberly

The kernel that inspired this episode: Paul Newman was actually speaking at an awards dinner the night Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated. Newman was interrupted while speaking with the news that Dr. King had been shot. So the writers decided to have ‘King Cool’ himself speak at an advertising awards banquet that Mrs., not Mr. Draper was up for an award.

heheheheheh

Pay attention the the subtle art of costuming and how the costume designer ties people together. Notice Sally wearing plaid quite often - that is also Don's motif, and ties them two together. Another one of Don's girls favours plaid, and that is Peggy. In this episode, Don and Bobby are also dressed in similar hues, signalling their connection to each other.

Youtalkingtome
>>134144955

The costumes are so underrated on this show. They're absolutely gorgeous. I love that it adds to the story too.