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The West Wing, Season 4, Episode 21 (Patreon)

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"Life on Mars" - In terms of writing, one of my favorite episodes of the series.

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Michelle Taylor

I recently rewatched Newsroom and was once again amazed by its incredible impact. Just like The West Wing, it still feels relevant today. What sets it apart for me is how they incorporate real-life events without changing the names of people involved. I can't wait to continue watching your reactions to The West Wing and looking forward to watching Newsroom with you in the future!

Spanky71

You simply won’t believe the butterfly effect that this very episode has, starting real soon!

Cosmic Slice

He can't remember Jordan's name but remembers the steam pipe trunk distribution venue, lol

Michelle Taylor

Agnew entered a plea of no contest to a single felony charge of tax evasion and subsequently resigned from his position. He is the second vice president in history to resign, following John C. Calhoun in 1832. Ford succeeded Agnew and later went on to replace Nixon when he resigned from the presidency. Calhoun resigned due to political disagreements with Jackson.

Pam Nail

Love this episode. It's my #8 for the whole series. Love the structure. Love how much empathy it builds for Hoynes and Joe and even Claire from the VP staff. Love the emotional context for Josh, who is surely thinking that if he hadn't left Hoynes to get Bartlet elected, Hoynes would be President now and this might not have happened. And I *LOVE* that, even though the A plot is serious and tense, this is also one of the FUNNIEST episodes of the show -- Donna and the bird, Stu Winkle, Toby and the salad, Charlie's babbling, Cassie and the Laurens (LOL "hauling Saudis"!), and CJ's patter with Joe ("I'm the press secretary, boo-boo."). One of the best balances of humor and drama in the show. Spiro Agnew (Nixon's VP) resigned, but it wasn't related to Watergate and he left office almost a year before Nixon did.

Surya Gundavarapu

Answering your question on if a vice president has ever resigned, Nixon's Vice President from 1972 resigned in 1973 causing him to appoint the then Speaker of the House Gerald R Ford who went on to become the President once Nixon himself resigned in 1974. That is how USA had President Ford, someone who was not on any presidential ballot till then and was never elected to the office.

Martin Nicholls

It's funny, I always mix up Tim Matheson with Richard Hatch in my brain and subconsciously think Tim Matheson is no longer with us. I know exactly why, but.. :p It's funny how they brought Andy Milder back just to do that one tiny little scene for the first time since The Stackhouse Filibuster..

Peggy G

Every time someone taps on something 3 times, I almost pavlovianly quote Donna's, "stop it" 😆

Curtis Higareda

The end of this season is so fantastic. Whenever I watch through the show these last several episodes always get binged.. it's going to be hard to wait a week for the next one and even harder for the finale!

Peggy G
>>139162480

I'm excited for this particular reference (which gives away nothing unless you've seen it so calm down, anyone thinking it gives something away)😊

Taylor

I love when I can actually use my political science degree, so let’s nerd out! Just two VPs have resigned in the history of the US. John C. Calhoun and Spiro Agnew. Calhoun’s second term as VP was under Andrew Jackson. They had MANY disagreements both politically and socially (Jackson later said one of his life regrets was not hanging Calhoun), but the largest factor in his resignation was an attempted change to tariff laws. Calhoun was a big proponent of states’ rights and believed a state had the right to invalidate a federal law if they found it unconstitutional. Jackson supported a revision of the tariff laws and Calhoun sided with his home state of South Carolina when they attempted to nullify the tariff law. It culminated in Calhoun resigning as VP and becoming a Senator for South Carolina. And most people know about Agnew resigning as Nixon’s VP. He was being investigated for corruption, bribery, extortion, and other things of that nature, but he ended up pleading no contest to tax evasion. Like this episode, Agnew also sent an aide to submit his letter of resignation - but he correctly sent them to the Secretary of State. Since Agnew and Nixon both resigned, Gerald Ford became the answer to the very common trivia question of, “Who served as both Vice President and President without ever being elected?” He got both of those jobs through the previous person’s resignation.

Michelle Taylor
>>139168380

Oops, you mixed them up again! Richard Hatch sadly passed away in 2017, but he was absolutely amazing in both the OG and the reboot of Battlestar Galactica. And let's not forget Tim, who was fantastic in Animal House and Yours, Mine, and Ours!

Weird Magic
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Weird Magic

I am such a Toby - salad smells like weeds and tastes like the ground. Can't do it :) Originally airing on April 30, 2003, 'Life on Mars' is Episode 21 of Season 4 of The West Wing. It is the 87th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.6, placing it as the #5 ranked episode of this season and #21 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Cristy

Yikes. What a first day for Joe. I agree, it was such a great idea to get an accomplished actor like Matthew Perry to play this pivotal role in the Vice President's demise. I love this episode because it feels like a real whodunnit and you're trying to put the pieces together alongside Joe and work out what's happened. It's unlike any other WW episode and probably why it's one of my top ten faves. I also adore the Charlie/Toby scene, they are the comedic duo I never knew I needed!

Youtalkingtome
>>139162480

Can't wait! Love how little decisions affect what happens down the road. The continuity on this show is wonderful

Youtalkingtome
>>139180111

It really did feel like a thriller. I would watch a trilogy of buddy cop comedies with Charlie and Toby. They have amazing chemistry

Joy M

Hoynes is right, it’s not the affair, it’s that he REVEALED CLASSIFIED INFORMATION TO AN UNAUTHORIZED PERSON. Luckily it wasn’t troop movements or CIA sources, but how can we trust someone who would do that?!? I am actually disappointed in Leo and the President for trying to convince Hoynes to “weather it.”

shawn Johnson

Just an incredible episode, and completely unforseen!

Curtis Higareda

It is sad to see Tim Matheson's Hoynes resign, but like when Josh Molina joined to "replace" Rob Lowe, I think they do great with who they get for the next Vice President.

Heather

Technically, it’s the disclosure of classified information that would bring Hoynes down, but also, I feel like sex scandals were a much bigger deal in the 90s than they are now.

trenton gragg

Matthew Perry and Tim Matheson were both nominated for guest actor Emmy awards for this episode.

Youtalkingtome
>>139188398

It's because of their own bias to him. It is wild that he wasn't smart enough to realize what he was doing.

Youtalkingtome
>>139215795

I think you're right. It's weird to think we're kind of past sex scandals. Twitter has taken over the tabloids.

Heather
>>139215795

I also think there are some important conversations happening today around power dynamics and consent (they might have taken the arc in that direction if they were writing it today). This particular scandal just feels a little … quaint.

Calina Crandall

You are right about Josh's face. He's literally saying "bro wtf did you do" But at the end of the scene when they are saying goodbye he refuses to call him Mr Vice President. That moment screams volumes. It became thank you sir. Because you aren't worthy of the office. After all this time...like bro...

Zachary Loeser

I've been waiting for your reaction for the next two episodes for a long, loooooong time.

Balazs Foldes
>>139261067

It's a very Josh feeling mix moment. Also remember, the 'wanting to please' aspect that came up before. (Josh is not the guy, he is the guy the guy wants to count on). Probably coming from losing his sister when he was a kid - he walks around with all that guilt and feeling of responsibility, and feels that he betrays the VP by not helping him avoid those... mistakes.

JVTrickypants

The scene with Hoynes with Bartlet and Leo has always made me think that despite them being our heroes these guys are also politicians. It's a cringey scene, but their first reaction is to try and think of a cover.

JVTrickypants

I agree the writing is especially great on this episode. Every time I watch it I feel like showing what the note says at the beginning gives things away, like a spoiler. Then Sorkin manages to prove he can give doesn't need to lean on writing tricks like that to impact you, because he's a lot better at this than almost anyone.

Cramdeon1969

Happy to find someone who's enjoying my favorite show. And you gave me a reason to rewatch starting with episode 1 season 1. Enjoy the ride 👍👍

Youtalkingtome
>>139458429

It feels very true to life though. I'm glad they had that moment. They like Hoynes and it shows their loyalty to him.

Youtalkingtome
>>139458714

He really is. I have complete faith in any Sorkin project. That being said, I still need to watch Being the Ricardos lmao