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Arek Schneyer

This episode always depresses me.

Weird Magic

I LOVE this episode - probably my most favorite lower rated episode of the show. Maybe it's because the piano player and the translator are both somewhat large actors on LOST so it gets me nostalgic, but w/o that I don't know what problems people have with this one. Maybe a lot of people from Wisconsin voted :) Originally airing on October 22, 2003, 'Han' is Episode 4 of Season 5 of The West Wing. It is the 93rd episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 7.8, placing it as the #10 ranked episode of this season and #78 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Pam Nail

- There's a scene in one of the Brady movies where Gary Cole punches Tim Matheson in the face. Gary Cole is also in "In the Line of Fire" with Josh Malina. - The most impressive IMDB credit list I've seen is James Hong (who was a guest actor in TWW season one) who has 465 credits. - Gah, the teleprompter gag is awful. Cringe humor is a really tough sell for me, and especially after all the conversations Toby has about Will working out. And to have Bartlet do a better job off the top of his head than Will and Toby could manage to do when it's their job is humiliating and not (to me) in a funny way. - Josh making all those cheese jokes is especially funny since Brad Whitford is from Wisconsin.

Youtalkingtome

That's really funny that he's from Wisconsin. I need to watch the Brady movies now. Eric Roberts also has an insane IMDB

dys

I don't know if this has been linked before, but I love this skit Bradley Whitford did with Funny or Die, "Emotional Stuntman with Bradley Whitford": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yB0Klt-kY_o&t=185s Beware it has mild spoilers for Silence of the Lambs, Good Will Hunting, Breaking Bad, Magnolia, Room, Get Out, and Castaway.

dys

What Ted from Breaking Bad said about putting somebody second-rate in line after a president with a serious health problem... boy that isn't topical right now or anything...

Martin Nicholls

Remember the glory days when Bagel had a specific meaning? Like 2 years ago. Now it just means whatever you want it to mean to avoid having to say Bagel. Isn't it great? The "he didn't know what it means" thing - North Koreans are brainwashed in the most literal sense and not told what it means, the point being if he'd known he'd have been kicking at screaming all the way to the airport as opposed to just going in total silence. Also, did you both remember to complete your TPS report for this episode?

Jeff

I like this episode, though it does represent a downward turn of mood for the show. I love Russell's reaction to Toby and Will's speech; it really defined that character for me. I first saw Gary Cole 35 years ago as the lead of a serious show called "Midnight Caller" in which he played a former cop who becomes a late-night talk radio host who solves peoples problems during the day. It was actually pretty interesting, or at least, not as cheesy as it sounds.

Weird Magic

It's #78 out of the 93 you've seen so far on IMDB was my reference. But as always it's important to remember that any hour of West Wing is better time spent than any Family Guy episode ever. :)

Brian Harris

I think for some WW fans, it marks the beginning of some of the changes in tone and character dynamics going forward that a lot of people felt wasn’t really in the spirit of Sorkin’s original vision. I think the episode itself is pretty great - the actor playing the pianist is remarkable.

JVTrickypants

Side note just for fun, and/or for the trivia game you obviously should do when at some point, but: Gary Cole played Mike Brady and Tim Matheson playing his "nemesis" - as TWW fans it's just amazing to watch. Carol could have had TWO VPS!!!! "Oh Jan.....didn't.....um....didn't Jan grow up gorgeous?" LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz-Uv494KFk

JVTrickypants

Also, Gary Cole is an absolute LEGEND. Just from what I can remember, Office Space of course, Veep, Family Guy dozens of times you'd never even know he was in the show (as well as American Dad). He will EVENTUALLY be in 30 Rock (this does not count as a spoiler! King of the Hill, The Practice. I know you guys weren't poo-pooing him, but his career stacks up well - worked with John Malkovich and Laurie Metcalf with Steppenwolf in Chicago. I'm of course not saying I (will ever totally love) Bingo Bob, but that dude has some chops and brings it every episode.

JVTrickypants

Sorry for the walls of text - have been in the hospital a couple of days and apparently they can see inside your nethers, yet can't seem to get decent wifi!!

JVTrickypants

Yes, we support asylum seekers and I think Han wanted to do it....but President Bartlet was trying to push him to say the words himself, at which point he would have had no choice. H did advise against what might happen to his family still in North Korea, but totally left the decision up to Han (I mean, assuming he could understand every third word an, well, nuance.

JVTrickypants

Sadly, Han didn't state his intentions to defect at the show. They knew they wanted him to defect, but there was also the bullshit arms agreement in Iran. At the end, Han, knowing what the president was saying about how his family would probably be tortured and starved, it was hard, but he went back to North Korea (sadly)

Cristy

"You're my special man, Josh...you're my boo." You guys crack me up. I'm team Amy/Josh but each to their own. Good on Bingo Bob, lol, I do love Gary Cole.

Joy M

Completely random, but have you two ever seen the movie The Paper? It’s got a Sorkin-esque feel and an amazing cast. Directed by Ron Howard. It’s a 1994 movie about a NYC newspaper, the reporters, and a big news story. Currently on Netflix.

Paul Verburg

Ron Canada is a great character actor with a long IMDb list as well. In this episode he played the guy who argued most strongly against granting the asylum in the meeting that Leo and C.J. had. The first thing I saw Gary Cole in, that I remember, was as the lead character in American Gothic (1995). An intriguing and quirky supernatural thriller (horror?) series that sadly only lasted a single season. I would definitely recommend it, but I suspect that it’s nowhere to be seen nowadays except in the homes of the lucky few who got the DVD set.

Jonathan

I just got around to watching the episode and was going to mention American Gothic as well. That was the first thing I ever saw Gary in.

Jonathan

Two character actors with the longest acting resumes I’ve seen: Charles Lane who lived to be 102 and worked into his 90s and William Shallert. Both were mainstays of classic tv and Charles Lane had smaller parts in some of the biggest films of the 30s and 40s

Joy M

Michael Keaton, Glenn Close, Marisa Tomei, Robert Duval, and many others.

Jeff

This isn't related to this episode, but it popped up on Youtube recently. It's from a Paley Center panel from the first or second season, I think, so there are no spoilers. It's just nice to see the cast relaxing with each other. youtube.com/watch?v=4gB-3Hz9N-M&list=WL&index=8

Roland Cooke

My wife has it on DVD, keeps insisting that we need to watch it. Guess this is the universe trying to tell me something! 🙂