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The Breakfast Club (1985) (Patreon)

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Molly Ringwald, Judd Nelson, Anthony Michael Hall, Emilio Estevez, Ally Sheedy, Paul Gleason, John Kapelos

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Michelle Taylor

The janitor was the groom for Sweet Sixteen.

Actuarial Lurker

I was 19 when this came out....so was already in college

Actuarial Lurker

About 90% off the movie takes place in the library so its sort of a teen "Glengarry Glenn Ross"

Actuarial Lurker

Joe got detention for cursing in lab class?.....In NYC in the 70s/early 80s the teachers swore and so did the students and I went to a "magnet school"- there WERE cliques even at my geek school- the drama people, the math/science people, the cool kids etc

Jake Potrebic

You guys both mentioned you hadn't watched Friday Night Lights, the show... Talk about an excellent drama about high school students and parents, that's exactly what that is. I'd love to see a reaction to that show.

Peggy G

Maybe you two lucked out with teachers, but I clearly remember teachers insulting me and other students regularly in the 80s, & that was elementary school.

Actuarial Lurker
>>144117574

In 2nd grade one of my classmates was obviously very poor and smelled since he didn't change clothes often...the kids would call him "Lewis PE-UW-US" and the FEMALE TEACHER told him he smelled like garbage and made him stand in a garbage pail as a punishment for bad grooming...I told my parents who told the Principal who got this nasty teacher fired. That was 1974....

Actuarial Lurker

Since you're watching Mad Men- these 16-17 year olds in 1985 were born in 1968/69...their parents would have been the YOUNGEST adults on that show- like Don's wife Megan, Peggy Olsen's ex-boyfriend Abe, etc

Actuarial Lurker

If you haven't seen War Games with a young Matthew Broderick and Ally Sheedy it would make sense to watch that- 1983 so predates this by 2 years

nj

if you go back through the opening, you'll see several things in the hall that make more sense now - the blown up locker from brian's flare gun, carl the janitor in one of the student composite photos. anthony michael hall's real life mom played his mom at the start of the movie (and i think john hughes played his dad at the end). telling them it's 7:06 and they have 8 hours and 54 minutes to think about why they're there means saturday detention was 9 hours, not 8. allison's "dandruff" over her drawing was grated parmesan. there was a body double for the scene under the table because molly ringwald, a literal teenager at the time, rightfully refused to do it. john cusack was a finalist to play bender - imagine how different the movie would have been with him? i think the part where they're all sitting in a circle and talking was largely (maybe entirely?) improvised. you're not wrong that allison's makeover was a travesty. --- this was my favorite movie growing up. i modeled my high school self after allison (carrying a spare t-shirt and toothbrush in my purse in case i had to jam, wearing that black shit on my eyes, even once trying to sit in detention without being sent there (my ride was) - they wouldn't let me stay). (tangent: i once got three days of in-school suspension for ditching school - how is missing three days of class an appropriate punishment for skipping one day of class? high school was idiotic.) my first year of college i was super depressed and watched this movie at least once a day - sometimes two or three times. sophomore year, i tied for first place in a breakfast club trivia contest at a local theater (the contest was held on stage before the movie showed) - after three tie-breaker rounds, they ran out of questions, so they just split the prize between us. the other girl got the movie tickets and i got the t-shirt. --- friday night lights is a great show (ignoring a few episodes from season 2 - blame the writers' strike) - y'all should totally watch it, preferably for the channel. 😉

nj
>>144117574

in 1995 my high school geometry teacher told my friend, in front of the entire class, "well, ____, i don't care what you think because you're trash and your whole family is trash."

Brian Harris

None of these kids’ friendships lasted more than a week … except maybe Claire and Allison. I feel like maybe they reconnected after college or something. There’s a weird kind of solidarity running under most of their interactions.

Pam Nail

So many people have trashed the makeover scene, but about a year ago I read a great defense of it, which made the point that it's not about erasing Allison. It's about the relationship between these girls and what they need from each other that they don't get at home or their other relationships. It's unfortunate that this scene has been imitated so many times without any depth. When I was in college, I wrote a pilot and planned an entire first season of a TV show based on this movie, exploring the idea of what happened on Monday. The idea being that yes, they all went back to their own groups, but over the next several months (i.e., the first season) they were gradually drawn back to each other.

Pam Nail

Fun story: the actor who plays the janitor (John Kapelos) made a crack during shooting about Martin Sheen, not realizing that Emilio Estevez was his son (because of the name, obviously). Kapelos was haunted by it for years, until he was a guest actor on The West Wing; he told Martin about it and Martin thought it was funny, so he felt a bit less terrible.

Laura Room

If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend Easy A starring Emma Stone for a future watch. Released in 2010, it was a nod to John Hughes and his wonderful insight into the teenage mindset, but without the problematic 80s stuff. It also includes Stanley Tucci in one of my favorites of his performances, Lisa Kudrow, Thomas Hayden Church, and Amanda Bynes in her last acting role.

Roland Cooke

The scene in the closet where Vernon threatens Bender, reminds me of a fantastic British film called Scum, set in a borstal (juvenile detention centre). It's incredibly good, the dynamics of deeply disturbed adolescents in a terrible environment. But it's a very tough watch (ALL the warning labels!), so much so that it was unreleased for a while, until eventually common sense prevailed, since the messaging is so important and so well done. The lead is a young Ray Winstone, in one of his earliest roles. Winstone exudes star quality from the get-go, as you might expect.

Joy M

I really thought as a kid that high school would be like this, a huge library with a sculpture in the middle. That’s rich kids’ high school. My Catholic school wasn’t that nice. We did have Saturday detentions. I was very motivated to behave. I didn't want to wear my uniform on a Saturday! I had a 5th grade teacher who told me “you may be a joy at home, but you’re no joy at school.” She did not come back the next year.

nj
>>144129547

me too - so up my alley. in college i tried writing a riff on la divina comedia (specifically inferno) in which i'd put myself in the dante role (as the author, not because i thought i was a genius), kevin smith in place of virgil, and john hughes in place of homer. and we'd travel through the nine circles of a new jersey high school. it was kind of a mess. (even though i didn't think i was a genius at the start of the project, trying to do it confirmed i'm definitely not - and dante definitely was.)

Jonathan
>>144123512

Yes I’ll second checking out Friday Night Lights the show is so much better than the movie.

Youtalkingtome
>>144114838

Yes. I dropped a beaker and said "F***" by accident. Totally slipped out. My teacher laughed, but it was in front of the class. She pulled me aside and goes, "you know I don't care but I gotta give you detention." I had one coach that called me potty mouth for the rest of the year lol

Youtalkingtome
>>144117574

Yeah that's awful guys. Sorry you all had those experiences. I had some pretty great teachers. A lot of them weren't perfect but nothing to that degree. I'm from a very small town where everyone knows everyone and I guess I got lucky. Shout out to the teachers who are great at what they do and genuinely care about the students.

Jonathan

I’m having a John Hughes weekend with another channel doing Weird Science and now this. This movie has a lot of the tropes that parents taught kids growing up in the 80s. “Kids only get bullied if they don’t fight back”, “If you don’t look like you care about yourself no one else will care about you” but this movie does go deeper than most movies would today. This movie doesn’t need a remake because many shows set in high school have done remakes at least once in the run. Kevin was so true about this being a white middle class school and that’s why you see such strong social groups. Kids naturally group together somehow in school and in more diverse schools it frequently can be a racial, economic or ethnic grouping but if you don’t have that you find other ways to do the us vs them mentality. I know my parents could relate to this. The Vernon/Bender scene reminded me of an incident that happened at my school, except that kid took the bait picked the principal up by his tie and smashed him through the window on the 1st floor.

Youtalkingtome
>>144123512

Wow, I didn't even notice that in the beginning. A 9 hour detention seems ridiculous. Grated part? Ew! So glad that she said no for that close up. I can't imagine Cusack as Bender. I wonder if that would have changed his career trajectory. Obviously things worked out for him lol. I'm so glad this movie means something to you. I love it when someone tells us why and what they love about a certain movie. Thank you for sharing your passion for it and what it means to you. As far as FNL goes, I think it would be a fun watch. I really love the movie.

Youtalkingtome
>>144128698

You're probably right. It's more profound that way. The one Saturday where they came together and had an understanding of one another.

Youtalkingtome
>>144129547

I would have loved to watch your show too. I don't hate what you're saying about the Allison make over. Obviously we're two dudes so we don't really have the best eye for that dynamic. Ultimately, I loved what these kids were for one another. They came together in the end and were vulnerable and gave each other a deeper understanding of who they are and why that is.

Youtalkingtome
>>144129726

Oh man, that would be so embarrassing. I love the idea of him carrying that with him his whole career until he finally worked with Martin Sheen lol.

Youtalkingtome
>>144158861

That does sound interesting. It's hard to imagine Ray Winstone young lol. I will definitely check that out. He's a brilliant actor.

Youtalkingtome
>>144161358

So my family is originally from Pittsburgh, PA. Every singe person in my family went to Catholic school. My grandfather has horror stories about the nuns there. He was originally left handed until they "corrected" that. When we moved when I was a kid, my hometown did not have a Catholic school. In my Mother's words "looks like you lucked out." 🤣

Youtalkingtome
>>144184986

I've never seen Weird Science! I need to check that one out. I believe in standing up for yourself but I'm not a violent person. I agree, I think this movie will last. It's timeless while being slightly dated with some of the situations and dialogue. Man, I take it that kid and Principal weren't there after that situation.

Jake Potrebic
>>144116360

The show is different. I mean it has to be, there are 5 seasons of 13-22 episodes compared to 2 hours. And the show isn’t really a sports show, football is just the setting in a way. It’s more about personal relationships, families (actual and teammates), teenage struggles, etc than literally football.

Joy M
>>144161358

It was worse in our parents’ day. My dad always talked about “Sister Mary Discipline.”

Actuarial Lurker
>>144117574

I can private message you but my Grade 1 to Grade 6 was in the $hitty NYC school systems of the 1972-1978 after the "Ford to NYC Drop Dead" lack of bailouts when the city went bankrupt. My 5th and 6th grade teachers were awesome and despite the budget problems I still was in the "gifted and honors program" in elementary school and spent grade 7 through 12 in what is considered the best "magnet" public high school in the United States. We had an 8% admission rate (tougher than Harvard) based on competitive exams that you could only take if you tested at the 12th grade level in grade 6 standardized tests and your Elementary school principal recommended you, My combined Junior and Senior High School had only 240 entering students in each grade and 198 made it through to the end of 12 th grade and these teachers were the friendliest, most dedicated and caring people I have known in my life...with such a high-stakes environment with lots of "helicopter parents" the cliques were drama, pre-med, pre-law, math/science and "cool kids" who were focused on getting into IVY league schools....so most of the people were like the Anthony Michael Hall nerd or the Claire character. We didn't have any sports teams and actually had gym class in Central Park- where we played soccer, softball and touch football, and went down to Madison Square Garden for Bowling league. No Study Hall, NO typing lessons, No drivers Ed- ALL Academics- so more akin to the pressures of Japanese students trying to get into top universities....My interest in your channel arose from being REQUIRED to take a semester of Theater and Improv, Public Speaking as our English Lit courses (given we had 6 grades to finish). We had to learn the recorder and music theory and graduate with multiple AP courses along with 4 years of foreign languages so we had a true liberal arts education. In 6th grade at the public school we did Damn Yankees as our graduating play, and being the math nerd I memorized the whole play after a couple of run throughs- so rather than be in the production I was made the Stage Manager and had to help block out actors and call in forgotten lines...did NOT pursue theater in 7th-12th grade, but became a movie addict early.....in College I was a Math, Physics and American Literature TRIPLE major- but the school did not permit you to get 3 BS degrees so I settled for A MINOR in literature so was always interest in film, novels and literature despite being a match and science guy]

Cosmic Slice

The town in the movie is not real (if you'd watched the Kevin Smith films then that comes up). High school in the 80s was very much like this. Band kids didn't hang out with jocks, jocks didn't hang out with nerds...and having a principal that was aggressive and didn't really care wasn't out of the ordinary, this was just ramped up. I remember the fights, the bullying...a friend of mine and I were chased by a group with a 2x4 after school. Mental health was stigmatized back then

Youtalkingtome
>>144154392

I have never seen it, but have heard it is quite good. It is definitely a film we will add to a future poll!

Youtalkingtome
>>144206089

Dear lord. I can see why many of the children in the 80's had such a hard time adjusting to understanding their own kids in the 2000s.

Cosmic Slice
>>144206089

Yeah, though at least most of us have made the effort. GenX was raised by a generation that believed kids should be seen and not heard. We had to make our own fun, saw media we shouldn't have, drank too early and some had kids too early. We really raised ourselves and our friends so this film isn't that far off when it comes down to it.

Roland Cooke
>>144154392

GWH is _really_ good. (And now I understand why you didn't get my previous "apples" reference in relation to the EST counselor! 🤣)

Cosmic Slice
>>144121335

May, just *barely* boomers. if they had a kid at 20 they would squeak in there. I was born in 1970 and my parents were Silent generation.

Actuarial Lurker
>>144154392

Good Will Hunting is Robin William's greatest film- he deserved the Oscar that he won...Without TMI...that movie could have been MY autobiography so it has a special place in my heart....

Brina Blue

I graduated from a large middle/upper middle class high school in 1982 and I recognize all of these kids and their cliques. Even though their groups were large and important in school like mine, there were so many sub groups of popular kids that they had too much to do to really focus on the other kids, Movies would just have to be so much longer to really get the 80s experience right. Sushi was only just starting to be a thing with the monied Preppy kids starting in about maybe 1980, so it really would have been an exotic thing to see someone bring for lunch, especially in the Midwest! It would have been a very high class and unexpected packed lunch item on the west coast (it would at least have been packed more carefully, but this is a movie). You mentioned The Big Chill. There was a lot of talk about this movie being "The Little Chill" when the trailers first hit the theaters. Though the kids in this movie are most likely Old Gen X, I still related to them as an Old Boomer as I don't have anything in common with the adults in The Big Chill.

Youtalkingtome
>>144624250

I think everyone can relate to the adults in The Big Chill. What I mean by that is we all hit that stage in life (My high school reunion is in months!) where we realize we are not where we said we were gunna be. How far we've come from being kids, like in this film, to working jobs we hate, losing friends, and scared of what the next 10 years will look like. It's a really interesting juxtaposition. I watched The Big Chill later that night and honestly got quite emotional from all of it.

Brina Blue
>>144624250

Sure, if I were to do a rewatch of The Big Chill today, I'd get a lot out of it. I was just pointing out that the last of the Boomers like me had only just graduated from high school, some only one year before The Breakfast Club came out. When we saw The Big Chill in theaters, some of us even saw our parents, some saw older sister, or uncles and aunts, but those main characters were real grow ups that already had so much life to look back on. We might have became those people, but not with the 60s life experiences.

nj
>>144116360

i like the show more than the movie - in part because, as jake noted and one podcast title conveys, "it's not just football." but also because i prefer long-form storytelling. some of the people who made the movie (both behind and in front of the camera) were involved with the show too, so there are some through lines . and i went to high school in a football town, so i also appreciate the wider lens on that experience that the show provides.