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Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (2007) (Patreon)

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Theatrical Release. Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, Rupert Grint, Michael Gambon, Alan Rickman, Gary Oldman, Imelda Staunton, Helena Bonham Carter, Ralph Fiennes

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Balazs Foldes

Somebody said this is their favorite? I mean, for sure, a wonderfully made film, but with the story being a whole experience in frustration and angst...

Cristy
>>147405134

Umbridge is one of THE worst villains of all time along with Hans Gruber 😂

Maxxie

I do enjoy this movie a lot, even though Umbridge gives me murderous urges. A few things that came to mind while watching along : - You talked about Harry leaving the Dursley's a couple times, and it's something the books had touched on at this point. Harry expressed his desire to move out, but Dumbledore insisted he didn't. I don't think his reasoning is revealed yet, but we're given to understand that there's a good reason. - In the final battle in the arch room, we see all sorts of spells flung around without their casters saying any incantations. The movies never go into detail on this, but in the books it's explained that non-verbal casting is quite advanced, and it's only taught to sixth and seventh year students. - Fudge did make appearances earlier in the series - in the second movie, he comes to Hagrid's shack to take him to Azkaban, and in the third one he comes for Buckbeak's execution. Come to think of it, his presence never seems to bode well for Hagrid, does it ? The next movie is my favorite in the series hands down - I can't wait to see you guys' reaction to it !

Jamie Morgan

I'm aware it's an unpopular opinion, but this is my favourite of the movies. (Yes, a ton of the book was cut out, but I don't care - I watch the movies to watch the movies, if I wanna read the books I'll read the books.) For me, this achieved what PoA couldn't and interspersed a lighter tone against the darkness without being cringey. It's also visually stunning, the highlight for me being the Dumbledore vs Voldemort fight - brave choice to have absolutely no music for that, but it pays off. Also I'm a sucker for a bit of political dystopia in my lighthearted YA fiction! And this is where Dan Radcliffe *really* starts to prove he's got the chops. You can tell he just LOVES acting!

Jamie Morgan
>>147416405

Oh, and welcome to the We Hate Umbridge Club! It's getting a little crowded, we have to rent the entirety of Canada if we ever want to meet in person.

Laura Room

Making a note of you mentioning army for later...

dys

This was at first easily my LEAST favorite of the books, reading them as they came out growing up. For much of the series the publication year of the books matched up with Harry's age and matched up with mine as well, I was 11 just like Harry when the first book came out in 1997 and Rowling came out with a book per year for the first four books. So at 15 I just wasn't ready for how depressing the atmosphere of this book was, with everyone giving Harry the cold shoulder because of the concerns about Voldemort seeing into his mind. Umbridge was of course a big part of that. As a 15 year old in the US, I had never had an obvious Hitler-analogue like Voldemort in my life, but Umbridge, this officious bureaucrat character, was all too familiar. More minor stuff: Harry trying to get Ron's dad past the fare gate in the London Underground is very much how it feels for me helping my folks to do the same in the NYC subway. As a kid I didn't pick up on Luna's actress's Irish accent in the beginning, I just thought she had an American accent but was doing a weird voice. Much more importantly, everything about Umbridge.

TouchTheGarlic

John Williams only did the music for movies 1-3. Movie 4 was Patrick Doyle. This one and the next one are Nicholas Hooper. The last two are Alexandre Desplat. However, some of Williams' melodies from the first movie are reprised in each installment. Obviously the Williams stuff is the most iconic, but Hooper and Desplat also do some really fantastic work with this series. The next movie is my personal favorite for a lot of reasons, but most especially for its audiovisual aesthetic. It’s the only Potter movie to be nominated for the Oscar for cinematography, and it shows.

Pam Nail

Umbridge is such an incredible nasty character. In some ways she’s a worse villain than Voldemort because she’s so real. I will never be over her having Harry write lines in his own blood. David Tennant’s character isn’t in this movie. He has a very different ending in the Goblet of Fire book, which makes it hard to bring him back. We actually saw Fudge back in the second movie, when he shows up to take Hagrid away. He’s also in Prisoner of Azkaban briefly, filling Harry in on the deflation of his aunt and warning him not to wander.

Laura Room

This one was both great and a tough watch. The thought of Harry losing his godfather and potential way out of living with the Dursleys is devastating. So much good stuff to come.

Balazs Foldes
>>147405134

Yeah. Imelda Staunton is a genius, and went so well into this role. She was in a ton of other roles, but I know her especially from the series The Crown. She played the Queen in the last two seasons. Took a bit to un-Umbdgify her in my head.

Alex Lee

It feels like Warwick Davis has been around forever, but he's only 54...

Jeff

From what I could find online, these are the production costs and earnings of each Harry Potter movie. Dollar amounts are in millions: Movie Cost Earnings 1. $125 $974.76 2. $100 $878.98 3. $130 $796.69 4. $150 $896.91 5. $150 $939.89 6. $250 $934.42 7.1. $250 $960.28 7.2. $250 $1,341.51 The final film earned over $1.3 billion, making it one of the 50 highest-grossing films ever. The entire series made over $7.7 billion worldwide, making it the fourth-highest-grossing series of all time.

Youtalkingtome
>>147425284

Yeah, Umbridge-as-Hilter was pretty heavy for me, with the school being used for indoctrination being on top. I found her absolutely detestable.

Aude M

When I read the book, I cried SO MUCH when Sirius died. I even was in denial, even. He was my favorite character. And the fact that he was the last family member Harry had(well...except for the Dursleys, technically...), it was so sad. I remember having devored this book. This one and the last 2, I was a teenager and I could take a long-er book and read it for a good part of the night^^.

Joy M

Helena Bonham-Carter is the most perfectly cast person in this series (IMHO). Her eerie, “I killed Sirius Black,” gave me chills. In the book, we meet Neville’s grandmother and see what happened to his parents. In the movie, we just get a basic explanation from Neville that Belatrix Le Strange tortured them using the cruciatus curse and that he’s not ready for the rest of the students to know about it.

David

You guys are going to absolutely love the books. I'd love a few posts with your thoughts as you go through them. Chapter 37 of this book is my absolute favorite in the entire series.

Youtalkingtome
>>147484825

So essentially they were tortured to death? Are they still alive or do we find out what happens in later films?

Youtalkingtome
>>147475158

That's what makes it so sad. Someone who truly knew and loved his parents. The quickness of it too. Such a heart breaking moment

Youtalkingtome
>>147427414

We absolutely can't wait! It was a tough watch at times. So many frustrating moments but the story was incredibly strong. It really gets you ready for the next film.

Youtalkingtome
>>147425585

I agree with you. Just an evil vile woman. Wonder what his ending in the book was? Even more incentive to read it!

Youtalkingtome
>>147425320

Wow. I can't wait to watch it then. Also had no idea Williams only did the first 3! It still remains iconic and the music has not faltered at all!

Weird Magic
>>147405134

I had the reverse affect on Staunton in this rewatch - tried to get Queen Elizabeth out of my head - she's absolutely terrific in both roles. I know J&K have The Crown on their todo list so I'll mention it here too - but Helena Bonham Carter is also in The Crown and is of course - terrific as Princess Margaret

Joy M
>>147484825

SPOILER ALERT, IF YOU PLAN TO READ THE BOOKS. It’s not in the films at all. When Arthur Weasley is attacked by the Voldemort’s snake, Nagini, he is treated at St Mungo’s Hospital for Magical Maladies and Injuries. Harry and the Weasley family go to the hospital to pay him a visit while he was recovering. Neville is there visiting his parents who were tortured into insanity by the death eaters, Bellatrix included. It’s a heartbreaking scene and Harry learns that he’s not the only one who “lost”his parents to Voldemort. There’s also a lot of mention in the books about a prophecy which states that a child born at the end of July would challenge Voldemort (or bring balance to the Force, so to speak). Harry and Neville were both born at the end of July and therefore became targets of Voldemort. There’s also a lot more in the books about how the wizarding families are all related.

Weird Magic

You mentioned wanting to see the older Weasley during the movie - I believe Percy was in there a couple times. Usually he's walking/standing a pace or two behind Fudge's left shoulder.

nj
>>147405134

i had the benefit of knowing imelda staunton from earlier movies before seeing her in this role (like peter's friends, much ado about nothing, send & sensibility), so i haven't had to work as hard to un-see her as umbridge in her later work - but she really commits to being deliciously evil in this role. it's not just the smugness - it's the little giggle and the pink and dainty teacups (the weaponized femininity). not to mention giving cat ladies a bad name. umbridge was completely detestable in the books and imelda staunton really brought her to full life in this movie. and every time one of you (kevin or joe) suggested she was working for voldy, all i could think was "oh, no - just wait, it's so much worse than that." but you got there at the end - and i have to say "a meddling bureaucrat" is about the nicest way to describe it. because you may have been right about fudge being naive to voldemort's return and the rise of the death eaters, but umbridge strikes me as someone who doesn't even disbelieve it, necessarily - more like she doesn't care whether it's true, except that the notion of it gives her the opportunity to abuse the limited power she has to enforce her will on others and expand her authority. she's so gross. and she attempted to use the cruciatus curse on a student, which was still illegal, i'm pretty sure.

Dylan Larsen

The killing curse is quick like a gun, thats always been how I saw it. The Audio books are a great listen as im sure youve read many times. On Audible you can listen to Stephan Fry read them and I think they're great.

adeepindigo

I really enjoyed that reaction! The next book is my favorite of the books - it mixes so much that I love about the series in one book and gives such incredible depth and backstory to a few of the villainous characters that the movie just can't quite scratch the surface of and sets up a relationship I enjoyed more in the books than in the movie - and while the movie does it justice in some respects, nothing hits like the book for me! But I'm curious to see your reaction. Don't know if anyone mentioned it but it's actually Umbridge in the books who sent the Dementors to Harry at the beginning of the movie because she didn't like him "telling lies" about Voldemort being back. Just to make you hate her a little bit more. Mrs. Figg hasn't been seen but she was in the earlier books. She's a Squib (like Mr. Filch) which is basically the opposite of Muggle-born. Instead of being from non-magical parents and being a witch or a wizard a Squib is born to magical parents but doesn't have magical abilities so they know about the wizarding world but more often than not chose to assimilate in the Muggle world like Mrs. Figgs. Now that you've seen the Battle of the Department of Mysteries, a loose end has been tied up that you mentioned during your reaction to The Prisoner of Azkaban - during the battle you see a bunch of things overturned and blown up and knocked down and one of the things completely destroyed (but isn't mentioned in the movie) are the Time Turners like the one Hermione used. So that plot hole was tied up. It is maddening that this is never fully explained in the movies but is revealed to Harry in this book but Professor Trelawney (Emma Thompson's character) is actually the one who made the prophecy (and why she was hired by Dumbledore to protect her) which was overheard by someone else who (and I won't tell you who until after the next movie because that's when Harry finds out in the books) then told Voldemort and that's how Voldemort found out that it existed but he obviously could never get his hands on it nor did he feel he needed to hear it in full before because he thought killing Harry would be enough and also because he could never step into the ministry. Curiously, the prophecy did not explicitly point to Harry. Two boys were born in July to opponents of Voldemort that the prophecy could've been alluding to and Dumbledore reveals this to Harry when explaining the prophecy: Harry and Neville. But Voldemort himself decided that Harry was the bigger threat to him for reasons that are also clearer after the next book/movie and thus "the Dark Lord marked him as his equal" - this wasn't Harry's destiny, but rather Voldemort engineering his own downfall by choosing Harry and thus ensuring that Harry is his nemesis. Because if Voldemort hadn't given the prophecy credence he wouldn't have murdered Harry's parents who wouldn't have died protecting him and thus making Harry an orphan and thus making Harry want to bring Voldemort down and do it himself. But it's interesting to note that Voldemort only heard part of the prophecy - he only heard the "one with the power to vanquish the dark lord approaches" he never heard that he would "mark as his equal" and thus transfer some of his powers to "the chosen one" if he attacked. And because the prophecy was destroyed only Harry, Dumbledore (because Trelawney told the prophecy to Dumbledore), and the person who told Voldemort the half they heard know its contents. Trelawney, strangely, actually has no memory of the prophecies she makes...

Danielle
>>147674257

They really are so good! And even though James is presented as a bully from Snape's point of view, it's important to remember that Snape in his teens/young adulthood is a bonafide Death Eater who believed and practiced all that (pureblood is superior and targeted muggle-borns, magic is might, and has genuine interest in the dark arts which is why he was never given the job teaching the subject, etc.) so as Sirius said there's light and dark in everyone and Snape stood against everything James cared about/stood for and Harry is a much better man than his father and unfortunately Snape's hatred of James never truly allows him to see Harry for himself.

Riesling

I like the choice they made in this movie, letting Lupin be the one who´s holding Harry back after Sirius dies. The movie cuts most of Lupins story, but in this moment you can see: it´s not only Harry who lost his last family member in this scene, Lupin also lost the the last friend/family he had.

Michael Bennett

There's so much to say about this movie, by far my favorite in the series. Prisoner of Azkaban is where things get real, but Order of the Phoenix is where the kids start to step up and deal with the reality. You can FEEL what's at stake, even in the earliest scenes of forming "Dumbledore's Army". And the emotional swings between the kids practicing and being subject to Umbridge's psychological warfare are huge. The gentle way that Sirius speaks to Harry is always so moving. Gary Oldman really does give it his all here. And of course it just hurts that much more at the end. He did block Bellatrix's killing curse, but it pushed him into the veil, which is a barrier between the living and dead. Harry does the same trick on Voldemort that he learned on Snape: It's not enough to simply resist, you have to fight back. The moment his friends show up in the hall is the moment he turns it around. Lastly, Evanna Lynch is perfect.

Michael Bennett

Oh also, if you like Ralph Fiennes and Brendan Gleeson, check out In Bruges. Also starring Clemence Poesy from Goblet of Fire. Fiennes is also the lead in one of my favorite movies of all time, Quiz Show.

Just Lily
>>147425585

The whole backstory of David Tennant’s character is so complex and heartbreaking. Movies make it so obvious who is the person plotting in the background and we don't really know anything about him. In the book the reveal is mindblowing. All the clues were there but were so easily misinterpreted.