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The Good Place, Season 4, Episode 7 (Patreon)

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Help Is Other People

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Kimba

This was such a good episode for me. Some memorable parts: - Eleanor’s movie bit at the beginning of the episode where she added the stuff that gives away the experiment. So relatable, you just want to shake them and say do good deeds! - In the scene Chidi’s apartment where everything starts to go wrong, I thought John was having some setbacks but that he was still way better than he started. I didn’t think that Simone was doing anything wrong there, she was just suspicious of what was going on. - it was very disappointing that Simone and John didn’t help rescue Brent. At the same time, it’s not really a life or death situation as they’re all already dead. I’m not sure how that changes the ethical imperative. - Michael’s magic was funny. He could learn to be better! - Jason had a lot of insightful things to say this episode. - loved Eleanor and Michael’s evil laugh. - my favorite part was Eleanor mocking Brent “no Best Place” she mocks so well! - for some reason the phrase “muffin and ducky are on the case” sticks with me - the time jumped helped move things along. Last episode they were halfway through. Overall a fun episode. Looking forward to the rest!

Kimba

Also my husband has the TV set in Spanish and while I watch my shows in English all the titles when I go to select the episodes are in Spanish. This is the first time I’ve seen the title in English and did not realize it was a play on “hell is other people” I just thought it was “helping other people”

tom

Another episode that epitomizes this show's unbelievable pacing

tom

I love the almost meta joke where someone (Simone) actually realizes that Eleanor and Michael only spend time with the same people. Because I always wondered that in Season 1, Michael is always checking in on the same people or talking to them or worrying about them, and with a show you go "Well they're the main characters I guess" but in real life (and if you're not Brent) it makes you start to wonder why you're always being focused on. Of course someone would notice how odd it is! So that scratched that itch in my brain. And there's a similar S1-callback with the ending, going back to that first bombshell twist and having the characters get to have that in a vacuum which creates a unique dynamic since we now know more than the four experiment subjects (sort of like that episode in S2 that went through all the reboots, but more aligned with a single timeline like in S1). I love Eleanor and Michael laughing together. Chidi This season has all the callbacks, this show really ties everything up well.

tom

"Okay, in the words of Princess Kate after we came back from our shopping trip in Ibiza, 'There's a lot to unpack here.' " Oh Tahani, I appreciate the increasingly convoluted and weakly-yet-cleverly-tied-to-the-current-situation namedrops, even if no one else does.

tom

I see it less as apathy or maliciousness and more like them being pushed to their limit and then refusing to risk their life for someone who has never shown them kindness. I think if this situation played out, less people would be like Chidi than you think.

tom
>>151916584

It seems no one really tests the whole invulnerability thing in the neighborhoods, so I think they were treating the giant hole like it was a real perilous situation (plus, it was something 'not supposed to happen', so for all they knew you could actually die if you fell).

Kimba
>>151916584

Fair point. They don’t really know what will happen, but it looks bad.

Youtalkingtome
>>151918338

Yeah, we kind of mentioned that as well; a full year of spending time with him, and him showing no basic human empathy or awareness of others would feel absolutely hostile and abusive in time.

Youtalkingtome
>>151918230

All the callbacks were very clever. This episode just left me wanting more...in a good way. I always get so mad when they end, I just wanna watch the next one already!

Youtalkingtome
>>151916584

They should have helped him. Like I said in the episode, I get why they didn't but just a bad look. Loved this episode and I literally can't wait for the next one

Jamie Morgan

God, I remember the first time I watched this episode and how my heart POLE VAULTED into my mouth when the experiment ended halfway through Brent's apology. I think I actually screamed "NO" out loud! I agree that Simone and John were in the wrong, but for a slightly different reason than you guys (I think). I totally understand that they'd want to just ditch Brent and flee, I honestly think I'd do the same. But if it was that urgent, how did they have the time to stand around arguing about it? If they have time for that, they have time to at least try to get Brent out. I'm also very sad we never got to meet the myth and the legend that is Dumb Shorts Kathy. How dumb are the shorts!?? I need to know!

Amelie W
>>151918230

There's an old expression that goes, don't try to lie to someone who's smarter than you. The whole deceit-based goodness-points-collecting system where you can't ever let them know there's metaphysical reasons why they should act kindly towards one another was never going to work, especially with the immortal beings taking a back seat to ol' Eleanor of Arizona. I give the whole experiment phase a pass because a) the laws of serialized storytelling demand we revisit the stage of season 1, and b) it's just about believable Judge Gen could not be bothered to think very hard about this experiment specifically meant to prove, I like to point out, "if it's possible for people to learn to care about each other once you remove the necessities for survival on Earth", beyond making sure the Good Place and Bad Place are equally irritated by the particulars. But in a show about talking about ideas, I have to say this part is where it puts its ideas on he back burner in favor of comedy, drama and character development. Maybe Grant Morrison could have doctored the script somewhat. . .