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The West Wing, Season 5, Episode 21 (Patreon)

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2024-11-04 23:34:06
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2026-06
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Gaza

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Peggy G

My suspicions that Kevin was watching ahead are now gone because you both seemed genuinely shocked by the cold open. I think we all were when we first saw the episode.

Taylor

I agree that I’m sure everyone has a lot of thoughts that won’t do any good to debate in this forum, so I’ll just say the one thing other than politics I took away from my first viewing of this episode (and every viewing since): Jason Isaacs has never been more attractive than this role.

Cosmic Slice

Warned you to buckle up. This episode always makes me sad and also frustrated. The bombing is so emotional but the content is frustrating after all this time because we are still essentially in the same place as we were when it aired. Everyone was *so* glad that Donna survived buuuuut....we're not done yet. (Love the additon of the third member of the reviewing team, btw)

Weird Magic

Wanted to warn you after Harry Potter that one of the actors was coming up soon on the West Wing...glad I didn't. A few episodes ago you talked about ranking the cold opens, wanted to say "wait a couple episodes and then do it"...glad I didn't. I guess the moral is, I shouldn't say anything here and be happy about it ;) Originally airing on May 12, 2004, 'Gaza' is Episode 21 of Season 5 of The West Wing. It is the 110th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.4, placing it as the #4 ranked episode of this season and #36 out of all the episodes shown so far. SEASON FINALE IS NEXT!!

Joy M

Something that they really don’t address much on this show is that people don’t generally serve as Chief of Staff and Press Secretary for two terms. People tend to burn out or get gigs in the private sector or go off to write a book. The fact that the staff’s frustration and cynicism is growing isn’t unheard of.

Allison Otto

This isn’t a spoiler (I actually can’t remember if Lord John Marbury comes back anyway) but Roger Rees didn’t die until 2015. Watching you guys talk about war photojournalists, I was thinking of James Longman who I think I first noticed when he was covering the January 6 events and who I think might be the real-life Jason Isaacs guy. Otherwise, I just remember as an OG Josh/Donna shipper, I remember how this episode landed on us. Whew.

Michelle Taylor

I have been looking forward to your reaction to this episode throughout the season, and it certainly did not disappoint my expectations.

Allison Otto
>>154360752

He’s so good in the TV adaptation of the Kate Atkinson Jackson Brodie novels, have you seen it?

Pam Nail

Hey, we also got Glenn Close on the Supreme Court, so that's another good thing that happened this season! I love the structure of this episode and how it's all framed by Donna's emails. Earlier in the episode, Josh was talking about how he hasn't really read them because they're so long-winded. But when he's on his way to Germany, they're the only piece of her he has.

trenton gragg

Janel Moloney was nominated for her second Emmy Award for this episode.

Kelsey Krehbiel

This episode hits different now that John Amos is also gone. He was a wonderful actor and his role as Admiral Fitzwallace is my favorite.

Adam Crandall

As far as great episodes go in Season 5. It's funny that you said this season only accomplished the Shutdown as one thing they did this year. Their one big achievement. You are forgetting Glenn Close and David Fincter in The Supremes. Arguably one of the better episodes of the show and, was one of their biggest accomplishments of this season/year in the White House.

Yannick Denis-Trudel

I love that the reactions (so far) to this episode are exactly what I was expecting of this group: The show! We all have our own thoughts on the present situation over in Gaza and Israël (and seeing it on a 20-year-old episode is even more striking), but we concentrate on what the re-watch is for. The comments that will be on the YouTube edit on the other hand… iiiish, I wouldn't put any attention to them. I'll have to re-watch this because there's one thing you said about a third of the way in the episode and I wanted to say something about it, but I was too enthralled by the episode itself to take note. I'll add my comment a bit later. 😉 One of 'em though is that at the very beginning (and at least 2 other times), we see Josh in a commercial plane, while reading Donna's e-mails... He wasn't on a military flight (and I doubt that he would have that level of permission/authority, even with his status)

Youtalkingtome
>>154361313

You're right. It is a bit jarring considering what the first 4 seasons were. I love it all the same. I like that it's doing new things and going in directions we don't expect.

Youtalkingtome
>>154359820

Kevin here: yeah, I can't think of a more shocking open to an episode, and definitely a surprise matched by the S1 shooting and Zoe's kidnapping. And I was 100% sure Donna was going to die.

Weird Magic
>>154361184

Your actual Birth Day? That is kinda cool, and I'm guessing for most of us....depressing ;)

Weird Magic

Serious question for this topic if it can be answered, especially since it is again front of mind in the world. Has anybody fact-checked the content? It would be nice for my own edification if it's already been done. I'm assuming it's like most things on TV, mostly correct but a couple of "facts" altered for storytelling purposes?

D Gyre
>>154404305

Is there anything specific you want fact checked? I can do that for you.