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Game Of Thrones, Season 4, Episode 4. (Patreon)

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2025-01-21 22:20:25
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Oathkeeper

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Game Of Thrones, Season 4, Episode 4.

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Allison O

The weird thing is iirc, the show runners and even the actors responded to the criticism of the Jaime and Cersei scene by saying it wasn’t intended to be nonconsensual and apparently they just - did a REALLY bad job filming it? Something just went super wrong? I remember them all acting baffled in interviews that anyone took it that way. Editing? Something left on the cutting room floor? Idk but I kind of ignore that scene in my assessment of Jaime’s arc because it really doesn’t seem intentional. I’ve got to say until I clicked on this video and thought I was looking at a freeze frame of the episode itself, I never realized how much you look like Daniel Portman (Pod) in close-up. Is it just me?

Chris Warner
>>162052672

I reread those comments from the directors before watching last weeks reaction and they just screwed up. They claimed Cersei grabbing the furniture was supposed to be in enjoyment but it can be read either way. They also claimed her wrapping her leg around Jamie is meant to show she wants it too but I think they cut away too quickly for the majority of viewers to realise that. I agree it is best to ignore it since the writers are not going to have it influence either Jamie or Cersei's characterisation going forward, Mad Men had a similar situation with Pete Campbell that had to be ignored.

Maxxie

This is a good episode to point out that while the early seasons of the show stick pretty closely to the books, one major difference is the portrayal of the White Walkers. In the show, they look essentially like blue-eyed, mommified humans, and I've even seen reactors not immediately realize that they're different from the corpses that make up their armies. In the books however, they don't look like dead men at all. They are primarily called "the Others", and G.M.M. Martin has described them as strange, beautiful, inhuman, elegant, dangerous... None of that gives me corpse vibes. There's even a legend of a White Walker once briefly ruling over Castle Black by seducing and marrying the commander of the Night's Watch. I don't think the show's Walkers are gonna seduce anyone anytime soon. So really, you could assume (like I did) that they're their own species, completely different from humans - sort of like evil, necromantic snow demons. I'm explaining this now because crucially, in the books, it hasn't been confirmed yet how they are born or created - the story of Craster's sons being turned into White Walkers is told by his wives and could be pure superstition.

Youtalkingtome
>>162075767

Thank you for telling me. I wonder why they made the change? I think the description of the books is really cool. Not that they aren't cool in the show but it just sounds so different

Youtalkingtome
>>162052672

Yeah, I'm glad they addressed it in interviews at least. I think it's how it was shot too. Just mishandled. Also I will take you comparing me to Daniel Portman as a compliment, thank you!

Maxxie
>>162075767

I'm not sure why they chose this look for them either. I'm guessing that with everything else going on in the show, and because they initially have very limited screen time, the creators felt that it needed to be immediately clear that the White Walkers are an existential threat to the Seven Kingdoms, and so they went for maximum visual impact. I can't say that I'm personally all that fond of this look (in my head, before watching the show, I pictured them as sort of pale, beautiful vampiric elves, so it was a bit of a shock seeing them all zombie-like), but also, we know the author personally okayed this look, and if he's fine with it, I can make my peace with it too.

Madison Dickson

In the scene with Marjorie and Olenna they subtly tell you exactly how she got the poison. The way Olenna adjusts Marjorie’s necklace is the tell. It’s the same gesture Olenna made towards Sansa at the wedding when she offered condolences for robs death “War is one thing but killing a man at a wedding?….dreadful” they were planting those seeds. Also in case you missed it when little finger is discussing his new friendship he says “nothing like a gesture to make a friendship GROW STONG” growing strong are Tyrell house words.

John Sky
>>162075767

it's no exageration that the books go a million miles apart, even in their unfinished state, you have entire factions and major major plotpoints and characters in the books that are still generating speculation even though the show ended nobody knows what crazy stuff can happen if the books ever finish

Allison O
>>162052672

It absolutely is! I’m excited for the coming seasons; he has some really excellent (not showy, just like really good craft) acting moments when he’s with Brienne.

Roland Cooke

Pro-tip, since you're watching these episodes a week apart, it's worth watching the recaps (even if only for yourself) since they pinpoint key moments from earlier. In this episode's recap they re-showed the scene where Roose Bolton offers Thorne a significant reward for going to Castle Black to find out if Jon Snow knows the location of Bran and Rick Stark (and ideally remove Jon Snow from the board as well). "He's half-Stark himself, he could be a threat". "Find those boys and I I'll give you a thousand acres and a holdfast".

Youtalkingtome
>>162089100

Okay, I missed her adjusting the necklace. I need to go back and watch that scene. Also clever on Little Fingers part. I love house Tyrell so far, but I can't stand Little Finger.

Youtalkingtome
>>162100639

I don't skip anything at the beginning. Recaps don't play before the episode on mine. Is there an option to turn them on?