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The Sopranos, Season 4, Episode 12 (Patreon)

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2025-04-01 12:00:13
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Brian Harris

For me, this is the episode where Meadow becomes a woman. You can see her starting to see her parents as people. There’s such a huge distinction between Meadow at the end of last season and Meadow at the end of this one. Tony is right, she’s grown up. I feel so terrible for Carmela. Through Meadow, she’s constantly reminded of the cultural, intellectual, and emotional autonomy she surrendered to live with Tony. This isn’t even really all about Furio. It’s about every other choice she has denied herself. That Billy Budd dinner scene is one of my favorites in the whole show. There’s so much more to it than Carmela throwing an anti-gay tantrum. She’s a bright and curious woman living a provincial, unfulfilling life as a suburban Italian princess - not a coincidence at all that she fell in love with someone who’s so exotic to her. And she resents Meadow, because Meadow may be a princess too, but Carmela has given her the tools to escape the tower and locked herself in to do it. This is what parents are supposed to do. But no one ever said it was easy.

Youtalkingtome
>>169612118

I really like your take here, especially when you consider Meadow's "That way, I can just drop out like you did" line and how hurtful it was.

Paul Verburg

I’m not surprised that Tony hasn’t picked up on what’s going on between Carmela and Furio. I don’t think it’s as overt as you think it is. Sure, with well-placed close-ups and music cues and scenes of her dragging AJ over to Furio’s it’s all clear to us, but most of it seems to be taking place outside Tony’s line-of-sight. Of course Meadow figures it out after one chat with AJ, but that was a conversation that Tony would never have. I don’t recall him ever talking about Carmela’s state if mind with a third person, except a few times with Dr. Melfi.

Youtalkingtome
>>169758426

That's a really good point. It's a good thing he was good and sloshed when Furio almost pushed him into the propeller, because that was definitely a red flag moment.