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Game Of Thrones, Season 5, Episode 5. (Patreon)

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Game Of Thrones, Season 5, Episode 5.

Kill the Boy

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Maxxie

Just one minute into the video, but I wanted to comment on something you said before I forget - when Khal Drogo took that cut to the chest, he wanted to brush it off, but Daenerys insisted that Mirri Maz Duur "treat" the wound. It's only after this that his state started to deteriorate, so really we can assume that he died of poisoning, not regular infection. The witch practically admits it after the demonic ritual in the tent. Anyway, back to it !

Tommy Ross
>>170400616

I often wondered this, but I couldn't really find any specific statement that Mirri Maz Duur made admitting it. She just said that Drogo would never recover and that their situations were now similar. And of course that Daenerys's idea of "saving" people once they'd already lost everything may be a bit naive - which it definitely was at the time. Oh season 1 Dany, so badass, so much still to learn.

Tommy Ross

Daenerys (in High Valyrian): A good mother never gives up on her children. "Yeah, well, you do have them locked in a dungeon right now." 1000 points (I mean, I know why she did it - human children were dying, but it is a bit strange to evoke the mother/children imagery while in the dragons' prison)

Jeff

Ramsey is truly one of the most despicable characters ever, but if you ever see an interview with the actor, Iwan Rheon, or see him in the British sitcom "Vicious", he comes across as sweet, humble, adorable, and kinda giggly. It just shows what a tremendous actor he truly is.

dys
>>170400616

I think that Mirri Maz Duur's revenge wasn't killing him when he might have survived the wound, but making him a vegetable when he otherwise would have just died. We also don't know how much that was intentional on her part and how much if any was Dany messing up the spell when she entered the tent. But I do think Drogo was going to just die as a realistic consequence of infection from that wound if there had been no intervention, and I do feel the show has gotten less realistic about stuff like that over the seasons.

dys

I didn't want to comment about this last week until you got the confirmation of who lived and died, but the fight between the sons of the harpy and the Unsullied + Barristan ending in the latter's death was not well received (at least on reddit) when this aired. Partly it was just that the Unsullied and Barristan had become such memetic badasses that viewers couldn't believe they got taken out by these randos, but also a more pointed criticism that the Unsullied didn't fight like a highly trained spear+shield unit should and that left them totally vulnerable. They should have stayed close together as a shield wall which would have let them at least retreat safely if not outright win. Not doing that meant Barristan had to come to the rescue and get got.

Yannick, from Montréal

This may be the 1st episode that I find is touching more scenes that I don't really care for than the opposite. Sure, the story is moving along, you see what's happening in Castle Black with the departure of Jon to Hardhome to save the free folks, the departure of Stannis to take back Winterfell and the North from the Boltons, we've seen the fallout of the last attack from the Sons of the Harpy on Ser Barristan & Grey Worm. We see just a glimpse of what Ramsay is, and his girlfriend Myranda (that's her name). But on re-watch, there's so many more storylines to come that I find it putting brakes to the flow. Don't get me wrong, I completely understand why you're enjoying it as much as you do, it's a compelling story and to give you any 1h or so episode, even if it's not moving fast enough, you'll take it with glee! But I'm realizing why people are saying that season 5 is the weakest up to now, and the start of the decline in story quality.

Yannick, from Montréal

But then, you have Tyrion and Jorah on their journey... Put Tyrion in ANY scene, and he'll make it great. With Varys, with Jamie, with Bronn, he never disappoints! I would say that the two Lannister brothers have that quality!

dys
>>170410028

I'm not the hugest fan of the decision the show made to give him and his torture porn a ton of screentime, like I've mentioned before that was just offscreen letting us assume Theon was dead in the book equivalent of seasons 3-4. Again I do get they couldn't just not cast Alfie Allen for those seasons and risk not getting him back for season 5 but it is a little much. There's a lot of really horrible stuff in this show that I think is crucial like Ned's death, the Red Wedding, etc, but this has got to be the highest ratio of horribleness to payoff of any plotline.

Roland

Most cinematic psychopaths are cartoonist caricatures. Iwan Rheon's performance is a masterwork. Ramsey switches from funny, to scary, to moody, to murderous, to brilliantly capable. A proper psycho.

trenton gragg

The doom of Valyria happens way before House of the Dragon. The doom is the reason Aegeon and is sister wives, Visenya and Rhaenys flew to conquer Westeros. From the history of the books, Valyria was the most advanced society with magic in the world. The Valyrians were the only people who could make Valyrian steel, it is also the origin of the faceless men, only high houses with Valyrian blood could ride dragons.

Yannick, from Montréal

And yes, it was Drogon (her biggest dragon) that flew over Jorah and Tyrion in Valyria. But no, House of the Dragon doesn't depict the Doom of Valyria. That show is only a couple hundred years before the events in Game of Thrones. The Doom of Valyria happened 100 years prior to Aegon's conquest of Westeros with his 2 sister-wives. Aegon's conquest is the literal schism in the timeline (like BC and AD in our calendar) So in chronological order 102 BC (Before Conquest) : Doom of Valyria 1 AC (After Conquest) : Aegon's conquest of Westeros is completed (6 kingdoms... not Dorne) 129 AC : Dance of the Dragons (the story shown in House of the Dragons) 284 AC : Robert Baratheon's rebellion, and birth of Daenerys Targaryen 298 AC : A Song of Ice and Fire (the events depicted in Game of Thrones)

Roland
>>170424258

It's a legitimate criticism....but as the great philosopher Mike Tyson once said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face. The Unsullied are trained for mass combat, on open battlefields. If you're intending to fight in enclosed spaces you probably won't want to use those big shields and you probably won't want to use those long spears. So group discipline goes out the window and the individuals fall back on their individual basic skills. It happens in war all the time.

Roland

I'm guessing that Valyria is based on ancient Rome, judging solely by the "they knew how to do stuff" comment, and the triple arched aqueduct ruins.

dys

Hadn't thought about it before now but the Watch and the Wildlings is super analogous to Israel and Palestine. I guess Stannis is America in this analogy and the cannibal dudes are Hamas? Don't remember if this was in the show yet or just the books, but as part of the deal for betraying Robb and Catelyn Walder Frey offered Roose Bolton to marry one of his daughters along with her weight in gold... which is why Roose's wife is a larger woman. To be fair I don't think you're actually supposed to care that Ramsay had a shitty origin, they're definitely not trying to make us feel bad for him, just fleshing out why he is the way he is a little bit. We did see Stannis actually be a dad for once to Shireen for a minute last episode but dammit why can't Davos just adopt her. Speaking of Shireen I really don't like how before this grayscale is just a normal but horrible disease like leprosy or something which is what it seems like Shireen had, but then all of a sudden it's a zombie movie plague in that last scene. Last episode it seemed like you were thinking House of the Dragon showed the Mad King and Rhaegar's time, this episode you wondered if it showed the Doom of Valyria... don't want to spoil anything but I will tell you those two things are VERY far apart in time so tell me if you even want to know what period House of the Dragon covers.

dys
>>170424258

IIRC another part of the criticism was them carrying spears in a city setting in the first place. It's not like I have any real knowledge of ancient or medieval military history but from what I've seen and read a tightly drilled formation of shields and weapons of a reach appropriate to the environment wins against a loose force with just knives/swords several times the size.

dys
>>170427052

Absolutely. All the cities Dany has been visiting (and conquering) are just former colonies of the Valyrian Empire, that's why it was such a big deal that Dany spoke High Valyrian as her native language like their nobles. It's very much like the fractured nations and city-states that emerged from the collapse of the Roman Empire where the ruling class still spoke Latin for centuries after.

dys
>>170427052

and makes sense Valyria would still cast such a big shadow over the events of this show after such a long time. Like how crazy is it that I had to learn Latin in high school over 20 years ago, and I still have the first words of the intro Latin textbook memorized: Ecce, in pictura est puella, nomine Cornelia. Cornelia est puella Romana quae in Italia habitat.

dys
>>170425912

I 100% agree with your take on where the show is at this point. There is still so much great stuff ahead but there are also whole plotlines that start getting a noticeable decline in writing quality around here.

Roland
>>170427052

I studied Latin for a few years a million years ago, and I can still decline Bellum in under four seconds... 🤣

Roland
>>170427052

Something like: "Look here, in this picture is a girl called Cornelia. Cornelia is a Roman girl that lives in Italy". ...it's been a while! 🤣

dys
>>170427052

Yup, you're correct. My Latin declensions and conjugations are out the window at this point but it did help me understand my native English at a lower level a bit better, as well as the French I'd started learning much earlier and the Spanish I learned later.

dys
>>170426425

I was considering how specific to go on the timelines to avoid spoilers, but it really isn't much of a spoiler anyway. The place Jorah and Tyrion were going through is much older than House of the Dragon, that place died then the Targaryens took over Westeros, House of the Dragon takes place much later within the time the Targaryens ruled Westeros, then the Mad King happened, then the events of Game of Thrones happened.

Yannick, from Montréal
>>170428303

They actually revealed at the Red Wedding that Roose Bolton married one of Walder Frey's granddaughter when he was promised he would get her weight in silver as a dowry, just before the Blackfish leaves to "relieve himself"

Yannick, from Montréal
>>170428303

I wouldn't put Grayscale as a super fast moving plague. More of a leprocy-type contagion, but with a long-term effect like the Infected in The Last Of Us (another great series you guys should watch on this Patreon!)