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Game Of Thrones, Season 6, Episode 5.

The Door.

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Yannick, from Montréal

We DO now understand the Iron Islands saying "What is dead may never die"... How many proclaimed kings have NOT survived their coronation? Tough position to claim!

Yannick, from Montréal

How many times on GoT we have "a great question" asked, but then it's on to the next scene... Urggggghhh.

Yannick, from Montréal

Hodor's story is what is called a Bootstrap paradox... This is because Bran's actions in the past, specifically warging into young Hodor (Wylis) and hearing Meera's "Hold the door", directly cause the future Hodor to exist, while also leading to the event where Hodor is mentally disabled and can only say "Hodor", which is the very event that causes Bran to warg into him in the first place, creating a closed loop of cause and effect with no clear origin. The loop means there's no definitive beginning to this chain of events. Hodor's existence as "Hodor" is both a cause and a consequence of Bran's actions in the past and future. Your reaction is on point with all of us, don't worry... but what a long play reveal!

Yannick, from Montréal

The end of the episode events' made you forget about what you wanted to say about the creation of the Night King by the Children of the Forest. Don't forget to talk about it in your next intro, or give us a written sneak peak on Patreon ;-) Short version, the Night King, originally a mortal man, was created by the Children of the Forest as a weapon against the First Men. Driven to desperation during their war, the Children captured a man, bound him to a heart tree, and used dragonglass to transform him into the first White Walker, who would later become the Night King. The Children intended the White Walkers to be a defense, but the magic they used had unintended consequences, and the Night King eventually turned against them, and every living soul.

Maxxie

There's very little of the Children lore that was kept in the show - I'm guessing to avoid scenes of pure exposition ; but we do know from the books that among the Children, some wielded extremely powerful magic. A tidbit I love is that Westeros was originally connected to Essos, but when the war with men began, the Children destroyed that land connection (they literally sunk a small country worth of land) to stop more men from coming to Westeros. So yeah, them creating a whole new race of magic ice demons is pretty much par for the course !

Maxxie

I remember that when I first watched it, this episode wrecked me too, and I was surprised by it - it's not like there hadn't been other horrific deaths before, and of characters I was way more invested in than Hodor. But I think what messed me up is the thought that he basically lived his entire adult life having already experienced his own death, and his mind was broken by it. In a way it's amazing that after six seasons they still can find fresh new ways to torture us ;)

Sarah P

We’re absolutely with you, everyone was blown away by the Hodor sequence. What an amazing, wonderful, tragic character! He was one of the few utterly *good* people in in the show — his presence in a scene always made us happier. This is definitely one of the biggest gut punches. Re: Littlefinger — Yep, I wish Brienne would strike him down too. Someone needs to bring this man to justice for all of his meddling. It kills me that Sansa and Jon still don’t know that Baelish was the one who put a knife to Ned’s throat and made him stand down against the Lannisters. So many of his misdeeds are still in the dark!

yann hollister

RIP Hodor :/ You're not ready for what's to come, this season is cooking.

Tommy Ross

I'm a bit nervous to admit this because it's an unpopular view. My roommates and I were kind of disappointed that this was Hodor's payoff. Not that he sacrificed himself for Bran or that he got an epic tragic ending (and yes, the ending is very well filmed and sad)... but because the only reason he was called Hodor was because he would end up... holding a door... really? To be clear, the books have basically zero backstory for Hodor, so this is a show invention - not based on George R. R. Martin in any way. And also the choice to have the young Hodor actor vacillate between faking a seizure and mimicking a mentally challenged person for an uncomfortably long time at the end. It just felt disrespectful. And now I flee any possible backlash because oh goodness does it tend to happen

Anna

The Hodor reveal was also the most the show jacked me up, it shook me on an existential level. Truly amazing storytelling. Loved watching your reaction.

Youtalkingtome

I think that's fair but it was indeed shocking. I'm definitely more curious to see what this means in terms of Bran's "abilities." Hodor was one of my favorites btw.

Youtalkingtome

Littlefinger better die a horrible death. Please no spoilers but I need that more than anything. Hodor's death will stick with me. One of the most tragic reveals of all time

Roland

So one of the cool production challenges was how to translate "Hold The Door" into other languages, because obviously "Hodor" had been used as is. I think there's a more comprehensive version out there, explaining how it was accomplished for each language, but this is a great primer: https://youtu.be/bvs_-I8lrgU?si=8Fm_gEnL6Jfbsq-K

Michael Bennett

Your speechlessness at the end is completely on par with expectations. I mentioned after a previous episode that we used to have watch parties every week for this show, and season 6 was maximum hype. The discussion after the show was always lively -- except for this episode. Nobody wanted to talk about it, everyone just wanted to go home. Not that we didn't like the show, but we just couldn't process that ending. It was so brutal. They hinted at Bran being able to affect the past in the scene with young Ned, where he called out to him, and Ned turned around, thinking he had heard something. Here they obviously expanded on it. Bran *did* affect Hodor's past, but not in a way that changed anything that already happened to him. He made Willis into Hodor, and Hodor helped him get to the Three-Eyed Raven and escape the attack. So he can affect the past, but if he does, it's already happened. And this episode was enough of a tearjerker already from Dany and Ser Jorah! Whew.