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Ben Foster, Thomasin McKenzie

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dys

This was my pick, I was just about to start watching your Death of Stalin reaction that went up last night (which is also a movie I greatly enjoyed) when this dropped. Will leave my thoughts on the uncut post here where discussion usually goes, but I own this movie so I'll be watching the watch-along version :)

ScarlettMi

The director of this film, Debra Granik, also directed the film that got Jennifer Lawrence discovered and that I liked a lot: Winter's Bone.

dys

The opening 15 minutes are such a masterclass in slow-burn environmental storytelling. Really sets the tone for the kind of movie this will be. It just has so much subtle humanity in it. So many little moments of human compassion and kindness from normal decent people who still live in a system and aren't Oscar-bait-movie heroes. No archetypes just people, it feels like.

dys

Saved my thoughts that aren't just about the movie or are negative (not about the movie, just about current politics) for another comment. Ben Foster's character might have been getting therapy for a while, presumably he wouldn't have gotten those prescriptions without seeing a psychiatrist, but it's likely just another indictment on the VA system if he didn't get real counseling and just saw someone who gave him meds. Not that I'm saying meds aren't real treatment, very likely some meds would have helped him if given as part of a real treatment plan by a therapist that actually heard him at regular sessions and he was prescribed meds as part of that. Portland's Forest Park is about 10x the size of the large urban park I leave near, Brooklyn's Prospect Park. Prospect Park is definitely large and wooded enough you can forget you're in a big city and think you're in a forest for a little bit, but not nearly large enough to be in the forest your whole life without running into people often like Tom and her dad did in a park 10 times the size. But there is still a large unhoused population in Prospect Park even though the spaces they can live in the forest are far, far smaller than they'd have in that park in Portland. But I want to talk about how NYPD engage in Prospect Park compared to how you guys saw fictional, but realistically portrayed, Portland police engage in Forest Park in this movie, compared to what expectations you guys had going into this movie. Basically, NYPD do not engage ever in Prospect Park in Brooklyn. They would not ever have dogs to detect people like the characters in this movie. And I guess it's good that they aren't bothering unhoused people like the Portland police in this movie, but they also aren't known for showing any of the same kindness or helpfulness. Just for example there has been one person for years living in Prospect Park who has attacked women in the park who were out with their dogs and killed at least one dog, and the police have barely even engaged with the victims. This park is bordering some of the most affluent neighborhoods of the city, like mine, and even here NYPD can't be bothered.

Clare Manion

This was incredible. A masterclass in quiet, visual storytelling. I had never heard of it before, but very glad I tuned in (thank you dys!). A thousand percent on board with your thoughts on and frustrations with the current state of the country. Everything is so upside down right now and the general lack of empathy is more than alarming. I am so worried about the road we’re on... I also agree that movies like this, or just storytelling in any format, can go a long way in fostering empathy and compassion – between individuals and on a societal level (if only people listen). One thing I wanted to mention with that is how impressed I was with the empathy between the two lead characters. There was never any blame or demonizing. Even when the girl leaves her dad, she doesn’t blame him and he doesn’t chastise her. They understand and accept – and did so in a way that fit the story and felt genuine to the characters. Absolutely incredible.

dys

I'm so glad you felt much the same way I did about this, Clare. There's so much empathy in this movie.

Jérémy

I remember watching this in theaters the year it came out because I used to watch almost everything that got good reviews and the ones for this film were stellar. It easily became my favorite movie of that year. The empathy it manages to generate is insane and I remember the ending left me speechless and sobbing. I'm ready to revisit it after all those years let's go.

Youtalkingtome

Grimly, the police just looking away makes so much sense. That's the political stance on the unhoused pretty universally: out of sight, out of mind.

Youtalkingtome

That's another novel I've read, but didn't watch the movie (although John Hawkes being nominated for an Oscar for it is delightful).

Jérémy

Yup, this is still as devastating as I remembered. "I know you would stay if you could". Oof. Right to the heart. It's ok I needed a good cry to start my day xD Rewatching it did make me realise that it would make for a good double feature with Aftersun. The "broken dad barely holding on for their daughter" duology.

Brandon

I wish Granik made more movies. It's kinda concerning because some of our greats are simply getting very old, some are talking about retirement, some great collaborations may have dissolved, and then there's a class likeGranik, Lynne Ramsay, Jonathan Glazer, Spike Jonze, Kenneth Lonergan and so on just working at such a glacial pace, who will never make 10 movies. I desperately want people who are capable of making good movies to be productive.

Youtalkingtome

I completely agree. Add that to so many of our great filmmakers taking huge paychecks to make large budget IP movies (not that I blame them for wanting to make money), and there could end up being a shortage of great films being made.