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Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Season 2, Episode 17 (Patreon)

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Kt B

You heard it here first, folks! They’re Team Spike!

Neill Shaughness

This episode is the first time we get a glimpse at "Ripper"

Paul Komoroski

This is another one of the "big" episodes where when people start the series, "I can't wait until the reactors get here."

Daniel Lydford

Remember that in the late 90's it was not common to kill off main characters from TV shows. If someone was in the opening credits they were going to stay on the show forever, or they'd be written out so that they could bring them back later.

jimmy2k4o .

Great episode. The finale to S2 might be my favorite season finale from Buffy. And Angel season 5 is my favorite finale too.

Genevieve Clerc

the "teaching Willow plot" is such a clever heartbreaking way to show us what is happening with the floppy disk... Goood writing ! ... from funny comedy to genuine tragedy

Jamie Morgan

Jenny's death really highlights JUST how devious Angelus is. He already knew she would be instrumental in restoring his soul, and he could have killed her 10 times over by now, but he waited until she and Giles were on the brink of falling in love before doing so, knowing that that would cause the most pain to EVERYONE. Spike demonstrates how vampires are 'supposed' to be - hungry for violence, rash, impatient, he wants Angelus to get on and kill Buffy already. But Angelus is very aware of his immortality - he knows he has all the time in the world to really make the world hurt.

Roland

"Poor thing, her owner died....without a fight". Great line. 🤣🤣

IDoDabble

Ok, we have to talk about The Talk. I find this scene *infuriating*, and not just from a parenting perspective. Because what is going on? Buffy - all of sixteen - falls in love with a guy and sleeps with him, who turns out to be an obsessive stalker. And what does mom do? Berates her daughter for making bad decisions. What was the bad decision here, exactly? Falling for someone? The timing being as it is - right after Angelus told Joyce - the implication is that it was: sleeping with him. And the show does *nothing* to rebut that notion. On the contrary. Right on the heels of Angel's 'use them and lose them' trope (and Giles being much more empathetic but still saying 'you acted rashly' and somewhat acknowledging her guilt) we get Buffy's other parent chewing out her teenager for having sex, because apparently it leads to bad things and she shouldn't have done it. And Buffy? Buffy is, once again, contrite. She understands her mom's perspective. Her mom, who, even when she doesn't know about vampires, does know her sixteen-year old is now being stalked by a creep. But the stalking does not evoke any talk, nothing about the guy himself, or even a single word of compassion. We can blame Joyce for all this, of course (and I think people do), but personally I blame the show. I hate hate hate the timing of The Talk. If Angel turning monstrous is all a metaphor (which it is, this is Buffy), the implication of Joyce having 'the talk' with her at this point - which centers around the revelation of Buffy having sex, not at all the revelation of Buffy being stalked by a creepy ex, which is very much part of the metaphor and Joyce' world! - is the show implicitly confirming Buffy's -and the general- idea that Buffy instigated this because *she chose to date and sleep with Angel*. "Why do women choose bad guys?" I've always felt the show like often tried to negotiate the tightrope of metaphor but fell off here. It missed the mark and it never sat well with me.

Youtalkingtome
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I'll admit it is a choice. I blame Joss Whedon. He definitely could have written that scene a little more delicately to say the least!

ThePowerDrome

Whedon. Whedon wrote and directed this episode. He also wrote all but season 6's finales, as well as some of the other in-between episodes when he had the time and inspiration. Buffy is what happens when you give a writer like Whedon enough freedom. As some may have already written, Whedon wrote Xander as a prototype of himself, but that's probably only partly true. He probably only liked one particular characterization, because Xander says and does things on the show that I don't think Whedon ever did or wanted to do in his life. I did a little research, and in the episodes where Whedon's influence was the greatest, Xander was portrayed as a jerk or not portrayed at all. We'll talk more about this when you get to the season 2 finale. Almost all of the episodes where Xander is portrayed as an important part of the group were written by other writers. Of course, Nicholas Brandon does a great job of portraying this type of person, even though he's an asshole who's broken the law many times in real life. What a coincidence. Actually, the question is -- when you do reactions to Angel, will you put them on YouTube? Some of the reactions make them Patreon exclusives. Of course, I wouldn't want you to go that route, but it's up to you. I'm just curious.