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Immortal Beloved (1994) - Uncut Version (Patreon)

Published:
2025-10-09 02:45:17
Imported:
2026-06

Content

Gary Oldman, Isabella Rossellini, Jeroen Krabbe, Valeria Golino, Marco Hofschneider, Johanna ter Steege

Comments

Actuarial Lurker

holding off to the end for major comments- except that there isn't much controversy over who The Immortal Beloved was- and it wasn't who the film depicts. Also Beethoven WAS an ornery bastard....

Actuarial Lurker

not shown in the film, but Beethoven essentially invents Ragtime about 70 years early in his Sonata #32 so he took Mozarts classical music, transforms it into Romantic music, and then transcends that all in 30 years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk-iqxqixhY

Actuarial Lurker

This was ALSO filmed in the Czech Republic- Amadeus before the fall of the Berlin Wall when it was still Czechoslovakia and this film after

Actuarial Lurker

Mozart lived from 1756-1791 dying young at 35, and Amadeus took place mostly in 1783-1791 hence the concern by the Prince with class rivalry in Figaro and Antoinette, and the parallel with scene with Metternich. Beethoven was 1770-1827 with his fame in the late 1790s until his death. Mozart and Beethoven supposedly met in Vienna in 1787, but it may be apocryphal. Beethoven took lessons from Salieri in composing operas and from Hayden in orchestral works and was a virtuoso pianist

Actuarial Lurker

Beethoven's father was modestly successful as a 2nd tier musician and DID try to live vicariously though his son. He was a notorious alcoholic and beat Ludwig as portrayed in the film- and Ludwig DID, in turn, adopt his nephew and relive the same trauma trying to force him to be a virtuoso- dying at 57 and at autopsy had little to no liver left from the severe alcoholism which DID make him almost homeless as per the scene of him drunk sleeping in his urine as street kids taunted him

Actuarial Lurker

As an example of Beethoven's cluelessness- he premiered the 5th and 6th symphonies on the SAME night, December 22, 1808, in an unheated venue along with his 4th Piano Concerto and Choral Fantasy....(the 6th played first, then the 5th) so the audience while mesmerized had to sit through over 4 hours of performance....it was later viewed as one of the most important nights in classical/formal music history, and Ludwig knew it

Pam Nail

I watched this as part of a Gary Oldman binge when he was first cast as Sirius Black. I know it's wildly inaccurate, historically, but I really love it. You don't get a lot of genuine romantic mysteries -- especially in movies -- and this is one of the better ones I've seen.