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Eliska Duchtikova

Hannibal is the worst at breakups. Mizumono aired in 2014, I watched it live, and feel I still haven't recovered. And for the worst of it, there was over a year hiatus before S3, when we weren't even sure whether they might get cancelled in the meantime. No idea who died, who survived... You only have a week :D

Youtalkingtome

I can't imagine waiting over a year. That's torture

Actuarial Lurker

Still off the rails and stupid...Jack would go in with backup- where are the sharpshooters?

Daniel Andersen

He was suspended, he went alone, cause he took matters into his own hand. Which I guess is another kind of stupid

Pam Nail

I feel like this episode is the only example of realistic police response time. I remember being briefly annoyed with their bringing Abigail back, especially after we'd had a similar "she's alive!" surprise with Miriam. But it feels right that Hannibal was hiding her, waiting for the moment when he and Will could escape with her and be a murder family. But once Hannibal realizes that's not going to happen, he takes her away from Will, permanently and right in front of him. As if to accuse him of being the one who really killed her.

Daniel Andersen

I think Hannibal was sincere during that dinner. If Will had said yes, they would've gone, unfortunately for Will, Will doesn't really seem to know what he wants. In a sick way, Hannibal probably think preserving Abigail as a surprise gift, is a loving act. Everything else, well thats tackled in season 3, so I'll stop here.

Pam Nail

He no longer has any of those resources at the end of the episode, thanks to Kade Prurnell. He's desperate and knows Hannibal is about to slip away.

June

I feel like the show is quite clear about why he doesn't (they explicitly establish that Jack does have a plan involving sharpshooters at the start of the episode - the decision to still go after he's been suspended and about to be arrested is obviously a spur of the moment thing fueled by grief and vengeance). But also this show is very clear about not being an fbi procedural, it's a character-driven "magical realism" show, and people who are after the former are obviously going to be disappointed because they have fundamentally misunderstood the genre.

Pam Nail

I also love that they kept the detail of Hannibal stabbing Will with the linoleum knife, which is exactly what he does in the brief flashback in the book.

Actuarial Lurker

I know he was "suspended" and I know what magical realism is - I loved "Pan's Labyrinth" and "Donnie Darko" and "Being John Malkovich".... In my personal opinion it does NOT work with this genre. SPOILER ALERT for Breaking Bad: Consider Breaking Bad and Hank being suspended as the Twins are hunting him in the parking lot. Hank has BEATEN Jesse, in his home, breaking in without a warrant, which is a felony. Entrapment or Inducement is NOT a crime- its an affirmative defense at trial. The Supreme Court has ruled that law enforcement can lie to people being investigated. Will and Jack aren't going to be "charged" with that - that isn't a thing....In Silence of the Lambs Crawford goes in to the house where they THINK the perp is with a whole armed crew and Clarice shoots to kill in self defense. There are no qualms about baiting people with Freddie's article in the Tattler in Red Dragon or with using deadly force...so the whole Jack is suspended part doesn't work for me. Breaking Bad sticks with the "tropes" of a police drama with a relentless cop straight out of A Tale of Two Cities where he bears consequences for his persistence but also takes on the whole crew like an Old Western where the Lone Stranger can clean up a town. This anchors the narrative which IS needed if one is going to get strange with the "magic part". One might argue that this is just a simple "twist" where the Big Bad Guy happens to win, but it uses the B-rated martial arts trope of having each "Good Guy" opponent comes in one at a time to be "serially defeated" by the "serial killer". One might find that a clever bit of irony, it COULD be a message that various personal motives cannot support the defeat of Evil- Jack motivated by grief and revenge, Will by cunning and perceived understanding, Bloom by regret for being duped...and Abigail represents contingency and inability to avoid being duped... Is the message from the writers that law enforcement should represent "Pure Justice" if that was the intention then the writing IS VERY intelligent... I just can't seem to get over the supervillain comic book style mixed with magical realism- where the law enforcement side is too clumsy to coordinate its efforts and the Prurnell character has unreasonable authority over Jack - yes she's internal affairs but nobody has the power to do what she did in THAT situation in THAT organization since my wife WORKED with these people in a Will Graham role and that's not how any of this goes down. I'm probably too close to the reality to suspend disbelief in service of the magical realism conceits/device

Clare Manion

Yeah, I… I share your exasperation. I don’t know what to make of all that either. Will, Jack, et al. made so many questionable choices and seemed wildly uncoordinated in their effort to finally take down Hannibal, it just felt weird. Even bringing back Abigail - which I thought might happen way earlier because we never saw a body - just to have her provide a minor assist and then immediately be killed for real…like, why bother at that point? “I took your bullets” - she didn’t check before going?! I know Alana’s a psychologist and not an agent, but OMG. And I don’t mean to rag on the show, I really don’t. So much is done well. The acting, the cinematography — everything else is fantastic. It’s just that the strength of the story kinda crumbled beneath them in the last half of this season… That being said, I’ll be curious to see what season 3 looks like. P.S. Puns may not have been intended, but they were appreciated :)

Roland

> Mizumono (水物) is a Japanese term translating to "water things" or "water matter," which refers to items that are unstable, unpredictable, or a matter of chance. It also specifically denotes food items like drinks, fruits, and desserts, particularly the final sweet course in a Kaiseki meal. <

Youtalkingtome

Preach Clare. I'm right there with you. I think it was a good not great season and this was very messy

Youtalkingtome

Yeah, I forgot to mention that. Curious as to what that means for season 3