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Arcane, Season 1, Episode 4 - Uncut Version (Patreon)

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2026-05-03 17:37:28
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2026-08

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D Gyre

Here's the thing with this show, a majority of takes you can have both wrong, and yet not wrong at the same time. I think there are some shortcomings with aspects of the writing/characterizations, I'm not quite as high on Arcane as some, but its still great for tying you up in knots over the depth of characters and complexity of them.

D Gyre

One thing it sounds like you missed, due to the time jump I think, we didn't meet Caitlin this episode. We met her in episode 2. Her family where the ones who were Jayce's patrons in the first three episodes, and Caitlin was the much younger looking girl who was the family's daughter and a friend of Jayce. Think back to the scene in the Rain where they talked about being misfits when Jayce was in trouble. Without talking about which characters or what their game versions are, there are several of them in the show, so people who know the game are coming at it from a very different way than those who haven't, which is a fun split to have. One very light example, the name Jinx. Game players knew that name change was coming, while non-players would get hit by it. Both fun experiences but different.

Suzanne Whyte

I was also angry and not very sympathetic towards Powder after last week’s episode. I tried playing Devil’s Advocate and thought about how she was in shock and didn’t really grasp that that she was responsible for the death of most of her family. Everything happened really fast so she didn’t have much time to process what she had done and express grief and remorse. Objectively I can see she was a kid who did a stupid thing but honestly if I was Vi I don’t think I could forgive her.

Daniel Andersen

Can't be understated how war would inflict upon a child like Powder. She's not fully irredeemable yet in my book. Though that imagery of talking to Milos "dead" body is very disturbing. Silco is still the one with the strings. Vi and Powder are caught between the selfish intentions of Silco and the Council in the first episode and they're still in episode 4.

D Gyre

Going to use the ROT13 website we used during the West Wing Watch to reply. (if you are watching the show for the first time with them, then don't read this!) I don't talk about specific future events, but I do give a critique of the writing that is borderline and comes from seeing the full season. Guvf vf cnegvnyyl jurer V pevgvdhr gur jevgvat bs gur fubj n ovg. Cbjqre'f ghea va gb Wvak, naq ure npgvbaf ng gur raq bs rcvfbqr 3 ner qrsvavgryl cynhfvoyr naq haqrefgnaqnoyr, ohg gur fubj vagragvbanyyl qbrfa'g ernyyl tvir hf nal punenpgrevmngvba. Gurl fubj Cbjqre nf sehfgengrq fur pna'g qb zber, ohg abg ernyyl erfragshy. Jr pna nffhzr vgf gurer bss fperra, ohg gung'f zl cbvag. Gur jevgref vagragvbanyyl tvir hf bayl n pregnva punenpgrevmngvba ba fperra, fb gung juvyr Cbjqre'f npgvbaf ner cynhfvoyr, gurl qba'g ernyyl svg gur punenpgre jr'ir orra fubja. Xvaq bs n qvfubarfg onvg naq fjvgpu va n jnl. Gur fprar vf vaperqvoyr naq cbjreshy, ohg V qba'g ernyyl yvxr gung cneg bs vg. Iv, bapr fur unf n frpbaq naq frrf cbjqre 'va qnatre' jvgu Fvyxb, qbrf jnag gb tb onpx gb ure. fur arrqrq fbzr fcnpr, nsgre ernyvmvat fur'q ybfg vg nsgre fur uvg ure. Fb V guvax gur fubj jnagf hf gb frr Iv jbhyq sbetvir ure. V nyfb guvax Cbjqre vf fhccbfrq gb or zrffrq hc sebz gur Oevqtr fprar rira rneyvre, fb nyernql hafgnoyr cevbe gb guvf. Ba cncre vg nyy znxrf frafr, ohg rkrphgvba jnf qbar gb perngr gur fubpxvat ghea.

Suzanne Whyte

I do wonder what age Powder was supposed to be in the last episode. Twelve or thirteen, maybe? The age of criminal responsibility varies depending on what country you’re in but you could definitely make the argument that she was too young to be legally responsible for her actions. We usually try to show understanding to children since they don’t necessarily understand consequences at that age. It’s difficult not to respond emotionally when the consequences are so severe though.

that girl

Powder immediately viewing herself as the victim is perfectly normal behaviour for a child. Children aren't just little adults; they don't process emotions the way we do or understand the world the way we do. 12-year-olds think they are literally the centre of the universe and why wouldn't they: the strange surge of emotions they're experiencing for the first time must surely be unique. Of course, understanding doesn't entail acceptance. Just because we know the why behind her actions doesn't magically make us feel better about it, nor does it mean we should just forgive and forget.

that girl

Heimerdinger will live for centuries and has no real material concerns. It's easy to wait a decade or so when you're not the one who will have to pay the price for that caution. He's not wrong, but nor is Viktor for wanting to help the people who are suffering *now* – suffering that would seem all the more acute for someone with Viktor's health issues.

dys

This episode can throw you for a loop again on first watch with the time jump, and what feels like a jarring tonal shift from the tragedy we left off on with Vi and Powder's story to the much happier tone at the beginning with everything going so well for Jayce and Viktor. And there are some things they maybe rely on the viewer paying close attention a little TOO much, like expecting viewers to recognize that wasn't actually Vi that Powder/Jinx shot, just someone who looked enough like her to mess with Jinx's already unstable connection to reality. As far as the "aliens", these are different species from different parts of this world. We've seen non-humans even in the first episode though mostly in the background, but were introduced to a lot more in the second with Heimerdinger, that metal guy on the council, etc. Jinx/older Powder is voiced by Ella Purnell, who's really made a name for herself in the last few years starring in this, Fallout, and Yellowjackets. She's incredible in everything I've seen her in, though I didn't make it that far into Yellowjackets for reasons unrelated to her performance. Adult Caitlyn is voiced by Katie Leung, who was Cho Chang in the Harry Potter movies (the girl Harry had a crush on for a while).

Youtalkingtome

Ah! Thank you! That was all very helpful. For sure, I was completely thrown by the girl Powder killed as possibly being Vi. Under normal circumstances on any other show, I would have said there was no way Vi would be dead so dismissively, but after the last episode, all rules of plot armor seem to be nonexistent on this show.

Youtalkingtome

That's a really great point. What's a decade to a guy who will live for centuries?

Youtalkingtome

I love how complex and intricate the characters are here. These are all people who have lived their lives through war and in constant danger, so of course the rules of the world they inhabit (and how they process their experiences) will not be the same as the social contract we live under.

Youtalkingtome

I thought Powder was a little older than that here (15 maybe?), but I have no idea. The challenge you accurately point out is, with Vander gone, these kids are both very susceptible to the manipulations of bad-faith actors like Silco.

Youtalkingtome

It's really tricky, isn't it? Of course you take into account that she is a traumatized kid in a BRUTAL, awful world. Still, three innocent people, including her guardian, are dead because of her rash choices, which were an act of defiance. It's like a kid playing with a gun and accidentally killing her friends, but only if she WANTED the gun to go off and barely miss her friends instead. So blatantly irresponsible.

Youtalkingtome

You're 100% correct, thank you. The time passage aging definitely threw me off a bit here.

Youtalkingtome

I completely agree. The complexity of the characters in this brutal world is my favorite aspect of the show.

Suzanne Whyte

I did look up the ages of the kids and most people were suggesting that Powder was about 12 and Vi, Milo and Claggar were about 15/16. Ecco is probably a similar age to Powder.

dys

I think Powder is supposed to be 15 or 16 in this episode, I think Suzanne is saying she was around 12 in the previous episode before the time jump.

dys

@ D Gyre I don't actually think any of your rot13 commentary is spoilers here, since it is only about the previous episode and not even really bringing any color from the rest of the series. I think the show does a good job showing Powder is already not in a great mental state before everything goes wrong at the end of episode 3. If it were just that she was frustrated by not being taken seriously I would agree this turn for her character wasn't earned, but that one scene after she's been left behind where she completely loses it is enough to show me how she gets to who she's become as Jinx in this episode.

Amelie W

In Powder's view, taking blame for ruining her family is less important than the fact she needs a family. Which, as she presumably already lost her family once before meeting Vi, she's going to be very aware and very practical about it. Vi abandoning her for 30 seconds might not be that bad except Silco shows up to replace her just then. The moral I think is it's always possible losing your temper with kids who depend on you at the wrong time can permanently ruin their life.