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Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip, Episode 13 - Uncut Version (Patreon)

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2026-06-16 00:36:33
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2026-08

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The Harriet Dinner: Part I

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Neill Shaughness

As much as I love Donna, I do think she exemplifies much of Sorkin's bad habits regarding women. Even though she is smart and capable, her role is overwhelmingly to have things explained to her by her smart male colleagues.

Jonathan Eaton

You guys might enjoy the show Kevin Can F**k Himself, I sure did. The whole show is a commentary on how women are written in sitcoms. When Kevin is on screen it's a really bad old school sitcom with bright lights and a laugh track. But the rest of the time it's a dark gritty drama about his wife dealing with the consequences of the typical things guys do in sitcoms. It's 2 seasons of 8 forty minute episodes.

Neill Shaughness

Regarding the cell phones, this show came out 20 years ago, and if LA is anything like NYC was at the time, service issues were a big problem back then because it was difficult to build towers in a major metropolitan area.

Dr Rockface

I'm not sure it's fair to say Darius' role is to write for black voices. There was a bit of chat from Simon the night he was hired but I'm not sure it was entirely about that for Matt. Especially now that most of the writers left, he is pretty much there to write all sorts of things.

Youtalkingtome

Definitely true since most of the writers left, but I do think Darius was brought in specifically to write for Simon, as I think Simon said so when he was telling Matt to go to the comedy club with him to find a new writer.

Brad Roberts

re: Darious vs Simon. At least on screen, there HASN'T been a conversation about being hired to be a black voice.

Carl Wilson

It's really incoherently written. Remember Darius's whole standup routine that Simon and Matt liked was about not being interested in the stereotypical "Black" comedy stuff, and then Simon wants him to write about a militant Fruit of the Loom. It would be one thing for him to say "look, you have to do stuff I want to do and then we can do stuff you want to do," but instead he's calling him Uncle Tom and Amos, which is super aggressive and hostile, basically calling him a race traitor.

Carl Wilson

Matt's been a douche the whole series about women. Remember the Rockettes and the boot? Screw him. And I just don't buy Tom lying to Lucy like that. Matt's advice makes no sense and what Tom made up was incredibly stupid - you make up a non-existent work function and think she's never going to find out you're instead at a different work function - when she ALSO works there? Tom's not that much of an idiot. Crappy writing. As for redeeming Danny - great that he realized he'd gone wrong and apologized, but then Sorkin is basically rewarding the bad behaviour by stranding them on the roof in what Danny points out is a perfect rom-com scenario. So the result of men doing shitty things is that they get what they want.

Dil

I personally did not mind the tell-a-Donnas so much as they used Charlie the same way often as well. At the end of the day, they did need a device for exposition to make the public understand some very nuanced and complex issues. As a non-American.. I was immensely grateful for them.

Youtalkingtome

For sure, I think the explanations were necessary, but it always felt like CJ and Donna were the two needing things explained to them by their male counterparts.

Youtalkingtome

Also a really great point, Carl. And yes, regardless of Simon's plans for Darius when he was hired, he was being BRUTALLY over-aggressive toward Darius.

Youtalkingtome

That's a really great catch: Matt and Simon talked about bringing in a black voice to the writer's room to help with Simon's scripts, but was that EVER communicated to Darius? We never saw that happen.

Youtalkingtome

For sure, the writing does seem to be rewarding Matt and Danny a lot despite their bad behavior. At least we (maybe) have Harriet calling Matt out and making a clean break (at least for now). The Tom thing was PAINFUL to watch. I can't see an y reason not to just tell her the truth.

Tina

Yes. Also Mrs. Landingham, and Mrs. Bartlet and the daughters, though at least they got to roll their eyes at Jed. @Dil - your point regarding Charlie would be so much stronger if he were white. Because yes, he is often used for explanations - so the women and a sole black main cast are the ones who get explained to. Still, I agree with your point, Dil, and the tell-a-Donnas don't grate too badly on me, even now. Likewise, Donna specifically being used for exposition grates less because I know she gets to grow: she uses all of the info dumps to learn, even when she is being condescended to. She doesn't get to visibly grow that much while Sorkin was around - probably as much as real life would have allowed someone of her educational background to grow within a four year white house assistant career, if their boss was intent on keeping them in one role, which Josh obviously did. The storyline of her visible growth starts almost soon as Sorkin left - and I will never not love the way she handled Josh and her job at the end of S7. Josh seems like a tantrum throwing teenager next to her, while she is not only more emotionally mature than him, but also behaves way more professionally. (Also, obviously, she is under a lot less pressure, I have zero judgement for his antics. But S7 Donna is transcendent.)

Tina

The roof makes me nuts. Danny goes right from being genuinely apologetic for three seconds to yelling at Jordan. Honestly, I fall for Sorkin's bullshit over and over again, Danny with Jordan, Matt with Harriet, Jed with Abbey, Charlie with Zoe, S1 Jim with Maggie, S3 Don with Sloan. But most of his guys are simply duchey or worse in romantic situations - and their love interests usually let them get away with it. I was gonna say Santos is the only guy who escapes that, but oops, not a Sorkin character. But yeah. The rooftop makes me want to hurl. And yet, I've re-watched S60 at least 15 times. Go figure.

Tina

Oh, I never knew that. I will certainly check that out, thank you for the rec!

Jonathan Eaton

The first season is free on The Roku Channel.

Tina

I cannot wait for you to see the rest of the show. If possible, I think you should plan time to talk about the season as its own thing, maybe even an extra episode to reflect on the different developments as arcs over a year. Because it was only one season, it is almost difficult for me to talk about some of the things happening in this episode without spoiling the rest of the season. After 2020, I am uncertain what to think about Simon and Darius. Before then, I always thought Simon was in the wrong, I just couldn't see his point. But I think there might be things going on that I might not get, or that Sorkin didn't allow to shine through. I sure hope this arc was planned and mostly written by black writers, but who knows, Sorkin would have the hubris to write this storyline by himself. In any case - Simon explains it at the comedy club: there should be at least one black voice in the writers room, and that person should also leave their imprint on any sketches specifically written for Simon. Maybe that's as deep as it is. An issue I can talk about better bc it is in my experience is that I have no patience anymore for (younger) women who "don't want to get promoted - or worse, get chances or take on opportunities - because they are women, but only on merrit." Girl, don't be an idiot, get a reality check. Equality will get you shunted to the back of the room fast enough, just wait a decade. Take equity where you can get it. -- Transferred to Darius and Simon, maybe Darius doesn't want to write "black" sketches because he thinks that's going to stereotype him, whereas Simon's point is to get Darius into the room to get him to write ALL sketches, "black" and others - but with a focus on getting better, more true to black people's experience, sketches featuring a black lead. I still disagree with the tone Simon has when speaking to Darius, but I'm sure this imperiousness is quite a good impression of Hollywood people who "made it" of all races and genders.