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Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Season 4, Episode 19 - Uncut Version (Patreon)

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2026-07-01 21:43:39
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Neill Shaughness

The episode where they finally start saying the quiet part out loud regarding Willow and Tara. This was a big deal when this came out. For perspective this was right after Ellen came out and audiences lost their minds.

Leah W.

It bothers me a tiny bit that Willow doesn't choose Tara until that choice is kind of taken from her. Oz can't control his wolf, so he definitely can't stay. That's why he left in the first place! Regardless, Willow and Tara melts my heart. I love the ending. It's so sweet, Willow saying that she is with the person she loves ❤️

Jontor11

Great one guys! For me, this is such a sweet episode. It had a conclusion to the Oz/Willow relationship that I didn't know that I needed. About Adam - yes, he is definitely not as interesting as the Mayor was. But it's understandable that he doesn't work as good as the Big Bad, as the show initially had plans for Professor Walsh to be the Biggy, but the actress wanted out...and Adam was kind of the desperate alternative.

danzthename

I love Tara. And Oz. This one guts me. Alyson crying is so brutal

Kevin L

Wonderful tender scenes to close out this episode. As many times as I've watched it, this was definitely the first time with banging sound effects. 😅 But at 48:37, how many times was that horn blown? 'Cause 3 is white walkers...

Stephanie P.

I watched this show live as a closeted teen, and Willow and Tara’s relationship meant so much to me because we simply never saw a lesbian relationship portrayed as a normal couple part of the main cast and not treated as a punchline (like an experimental joke). There was obvious restrictions from the network put on their relationship where you don’t see as much intimacy during this season, but JW does deserve credit for pushing the network to allow the normalcy for this kind of relationship at the time despite his obvious issues and flaws. Also in terms of AH emoting and crying, I believe it was him who said when Alyson cries, we all cry.

dys

My take is that she was always going to end up choosing Tara. Of course Oz being back brings up a lot of complicated feelings but that gave her the push she needed to even fully acknowledge to herself that she had fallen in love with Tara.

Leah W.

That's a really lovely way to interpret the episode. I would definitely prefer that spin on it. I'll make that my head cannon moving forward lol

dys

There's some stuff that feels cringy watching this in 2026, if this were 2026 I don't think you'd have your heroic main character be phased for a moment at finding out her best friend is gay or bi. But this was very progressive for 2000 and it's overall so tender and sweet. I don't think Willow and Tara were official at this point, and I don't think Willow had even admitted to herself until this point that she was in love with Tara. So it's not totally awful of her to consider getting back together with Oz, it wouldn't have been cheating, and I don't think she intentionally lead him on, he just assumed they would get back together, but yes Willow should have told him about Tara before he had to work it out himself. Earlier this season we saw Riley helping out the lesbian student group which I think is kinda foreshadowing that he has zero pause about Willow dating a girl but is bigoted for a minute about her dating a werewolf.

Sarah P

Thanks for saying this! It was the same for me! (When they held hands on-screen in this episode I felt like that meme of Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the TV, as I’m sure a lot of young people did.) The importance of Willow and Tara’s relationship — to individuals and to TV culture at large — cannot be overstated. This was a HUGE deal at the time.

ScarlettMi

I don’t think it was unreasonable for Willow to hesitate to make her ex-boyfriend (who left her without saying goodbye) the first person she ever had to come out to. He’d been back for only hours. I think it’s okay for her to think about it before making it a second conversation kind of thing. I actually really love how this episode handled everyone’s really complicated pasts, relationships, and feelings about those relationships. No one is the “bad guy”. They’re just all trying to figure out who they are and what they want and learning more about what they really believe.

Sarah P

Same here. I think this is one of the smartest, most nuanced depictions of complicated romantic emotions ever shown on TV, but I also think that the writing and AH both portray it as Willow inevitably being with Tara from the jump.

vala p

Miss Kitty Fantastico is what a cat would name themselves if they could pick their own name.

Lola Lirola

Aww. It's funny, I had this episode logged in my mind as "big, controversial, daring", just from what I remembered, and now it feels just sweet and quaint. That's progress!

Lola Lirola

Also, I recommend Alyson Hannigan's Instagram for anyone interested. She just does delightful crafts, many of them wonky, and she has zero celebrity airs or "influencer" type posts. Just crafts. Her and her husband (Giles' nemesis Wesley!) just seem like a normal, lovely, middle-aged couple who has been together for a long time. Oh, and her voice in real life is like 2 octaves lower, it's quite funny.

Kt B

IMO, this among the most poignant episodes of the series. I can feel the conflict in everybody and how nobody has the easy choice. The Willow/Oz/Tara stuff is top tier, but so many people have focused on it that I don’t have a lot to add. I’ll just put in my two cents that Willow hadn’t told anyone yet about Tara, and she probably hadn’t even tried thinking about how to articulate what Tara and she were to each other. I agree with those who say that it wasn’t fair to expect Willow to come out to Oz in their first meeting and then try to explain how Tara was a complication, especially when she was processing all kinds of big emotions. For me, the Riley stuff hits pretty hard. It’s been happening over the back half of the season that he’s gradually seeing that all he’s held dear, and the things that have given him identity and purpose, are deeply flawed. He’s lost his mentor and his place in the world, and the people he considered family are people who think they’re righteous but are willing to do monstrous things along the way. It’s incredibly difficult to dismantle a life like that and rebuild it as a free-thinking person who has to navigate a world filled with nuance. I see his journey as someone leaving a cult, and that’s a huge upheaval.

that girl

Lesbians are notorious for staying friends with our exes.

Erica

This was kind of monumental in this era, to have 2 gay women on a prime time network television show that wasn't a stunt or a joke (as in, "look! 2 women are kissing! Don't you men love it? Dont worry though, they'd still totally sleep with you, this was just a one-off"). But still, the network wouldn't let them kiss onscreen or even verbally suggest that they were having gay sex. Everything with willow and tara seems so chaste at this point, and it's 100% the fault of the network. Women kissing because they like women and are in love with each other? Pearls clutched 😂 Ive heard too, that joss whedon received a lot of hate mail for this storyline, and that a good chunk of people kept calling tara fat. Which, first of all, god forbid fat people exist on tv, right? 🙄 And second of all, they're objectively wrong about it. Overall, this was a huge step in television history, and im so glad it's here ❤️

Neill Shaughness

I don't think his transformation is caused by anger necessarily. I think it just caused by inner turmoil

lee

Honestly, I really appreciate Buffy stumbling over Willow's queerness at first. Even though she almost immediately gets over it, it's the show's little way of meeting the era's mainstream audience where they were and leaving room for mistakes and initially imperfect acceptance as long as love and understanding are the ultimate goal and there is an ongoing commitment to growth. The fact that even someone as intelligent and heroic as Buffy still gets snagged on society's heteronormative programming (thinking Tara may have developed a crush on Oz in the 45 seconds of interaction they had while being oblivious to her best friend falling in love with another girl over several months, being briefly thrown and uncomfortable when realising the truth) is very humanising and grounding. In my opinion it is a helpfully realistic moment for both straight audiences who might have found themselves stumbling on their paths of learning and acceptance, but also for young queer viewers at the time (such as myself) who needed to be assured that those stumbles are not always indicative of rejection or a lack of effort. Personally, I would have found it almost alienating if Willow's coming out had been met with seamless acceptance and perfect loving calm because that wouldn't have remotely resembled my experience or observed reality. Some people never accept it, some people take time, and some people like Buffy lose their balance for just a second before getting it right. She didn't know how she was "supposed" to react, but then she remembered that all she had to do was be there for someone she loved and the rest came naturally. It was only a hiccup because at the end of the day she's our brave and noble heroine, but I still appreciate the choice to have it there at all. It also means a lot to me that the show wove this revelation into this episode the way it did. Even though Riley's parallel feels pretty heavy handed in how literal it is, I love that the common arc for most key characters here is them accepting the risk and vulnerability of examining and resisting seemingly immovable and inescapable structures in order to do right by someone they love (Buffy rejecting society's homophobic conditioning for Willow's security and happiness, Riley rejecting The Initiative's simplistic rigidity and cruelty in favour of Buffy's nuance and compassion). Things are far from perfect now, but the fact that Buffy accepting her best friend being queer even qualified as a parallel arc to Riley essentially breaking out of a bigotry cult is a sobering reminder of how harshly enforced heteronormativity used to be in the media landscape. Buffy and Riley are rebelling against the same things on different scales, but in the year 2000 those scales did not feel anywhere near as incongruous as they do now. I even love how Tara was fully prepared to step down and accept heartbreak and loneliness if Willow chose to be with Oz, because the show then decided to have Oz accept pain and uncertainty for himself to clear the way for Willow's happiness with Tara. Sadly, a lot of other shows at this time actually WOULD have done something like making Oz kill Tara so that they could return to a heteronormative status quo. I've seen many a series tease or entertain a queer awakening or storyline only to callously snuff it out before it can graduate from subtext to text and I'm very grateful that this show went full force in the opposite direction. It was quite radical to bring back a character as beloved as Oz and have him definitively "lose" the romantic tug of war for Willow's heart, thereby cementing a queer relationship as not only canon, but as real and as valid as one of the fandom's most cherished pairings when directly held up to it. This episode was the show stating the same thing about its own direction as its characters all did about their respective arcs, that even if something is new, unfamiliar, unpopular, or challenging, and even if moving through it is stressful, confusing, and difficult, the most important thing is to lead with love and try to do what's right. Even though some Riley lines clunked a bit and Adam's flipped open head panel being plugged into a computer is a pretty funny sight, I'm still impressed all these years later at how well and how bravely such a positive and progressive message was woven into a 45 minute genre show aimed at teens, in an episode about werewolves, witches, and a patchwork demonoid super soldier, that aired over a quarter of a century ago. I have many issues with Joss Whedon, but I can never deny the positive cultural impact of this Willow arc or the lasting brilliance of this show and this episode is a huge landmark for both. Sorry for the impromptu rambling essay but it's been a while since I've watched this episode and you guys always have such great observations and discussions about the things you watch and it just gets my brain whirring. Great reaction as always, I'm really enjoying rewatching this show along with you.

Lola Lirola

What you said about Riley is so true, and so resonant today. So many people *should* be realising that the vigilante groups they believe are fighting for the "greater good" are actually the baddies, and that's such a difficult thing to do. I keep thinking that they waste so many opportunities with Riley, and it's so frustrating. They underdevelop him a lot. I don't know if it's because they felt they needed to make him a "vanilla good guy" at all costs to contrast him with Angel, or if it's because Blucas's acting is kinda bland, but yeah. He could be much more interesting than what we're getting.

Claire Eyles

When season 4 first aired I loved Tara as a character, but even as a queer person I initially hated what I thought they were doing with the whole Tara/Willow thing. I don't know if this was a thing that happened anywhere else, but in the city I lived in at the time (Adelalaide, South Australia) there was this super annoying 'Gal Pal' trend, where young straight women were going around getting all lovey dovey with their female friends, and basically pretending to be queer for in order to look 'cool'. Now if they'd just stuck to their own friend groups, it still would've been annoying, but it might have been easier to just roll your eyes at and ignore. Except they didn't stick to their own friend groups, and actually began going into queer spaces to basically use people as props to get attention and 'cool' points for themselves. It was beyond infuriating. So when Season 4 of Buffy started doing this whole twosome of cuteness, are they or aren't they thing with Willow and Tara, my brain immediately went to, "Oh god no, please don't put this stupid 'Gal Pal' nonsense in my favourite show, I hate this!". Up until this episode, at no point did I even remotely think that a US network television show would seriously dare to do a genuine queer romance storyline, like it wasn't even a remote consideration for me that they they might have been building the Tara/Willow storyline towards an actual relationship. So I did need this episode to literally spell stuff out for me, and once it did my jaw was on the ground, and I was absolutely stunned that a US television show had finally done it, they'd finally given audiences actual queer representation. At the time it was mind blowing to me, and cause for much celebration. :D

Joseph Irizarry

"I'm just saying it's a little weird to date someone who tries to eat you once a month." Is it? Is it? 😏

Joseph Irizarry

God bless Marc Blucas or whatever but Riley stinks. Oh I'm an anarchist! Show keeps attempting to gaslight me into thinking he's president of the Cool Guy Club when he is a bowl of cornflakes in skim milk

Joseph Irizarry

i kind of think this episode stinks now. they bring seth green back for one episode and retcon him and write him out in a stupid way. "i can't be at peace cuz ur love makes me warewolf" shut up show. they're not all hits.

Mariska Costeris

Not exactly right after, that was in 1997, 3 years before this aired.

Paul Verburg

I always have a hard time imagining how Professor Walsh would have made a more interesting villain than Adam. She didn’t seem that impressive either.

Neill Shaughness

It was still a huge media talking point at the time this episode came out. I'd argue anything shorter than a presidential term is "right after" in regards to pop culture and political fallout.

Roland

Excellent rambling essay. :)

Roland

I'm guessing the Riley / Walsh / Buffy dynamic would have been the vehicle for "monsters and demons are bad.....and we're acting just like them"

dys

I agree with Paul that I don't think Walsh would have been that memorable a villain either... we have several seasons left to go and I think I can say without spoiling anything that we have some much better Big Bads still to come.

Youtalkingtome

I find it really moving and really endearing. I'm glad that this exists.

Youtalkingtome

That's unfortunate, I wonder what the show would have looked like if she would have remained the antagonist

Kirsten Stewart

One of my favourites of this season, this episode is the perfect distillation of the chaos and messiness of the human condition. Between the confusion of love, especially in the young, the era specific introduction of a non-conforming relationship and Buffy’s stumbling reaction to the latter, however brief, to Riley’s resolution to his quandary, it’s a beautifully written episode.

Jontor11

Yes, it's no way of knowing how it would have gone with Walsh as the BB. I guess the storytelling would have been completely different, and probably the whole 'Initiative' organisation would have been written differently...

lee

thank you! :)

The Ginger Historian

Thank you thank you thank you. I love that people are so accepting of gay people now, but we can't forget that it's still not easy to come out in certain places, and just 30 years ago it was so much worse