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Stephanie Bedworth

I can't wait till you guys start watching Angel. LOL

Neill Shaughness

I love this episode because Angel and Buffy actually have much better chemistry as exes than as a couple (partially because of Boreanaz' growth as an actor). Can't wait till you guys catch up on the Angel side of things.

Leah W.

I actually love Spike as Yoko Ono lol. He is such a gossip queen 💅 To be fair to Buffy's friends, though, we have seen the friends drift farther and farther apart throughout this entire season. And RIP to Foriley. The ship that never was

Christopher simeon

The theme of this season has been the characters not really sharing personal storylines. They have all been separate more than we have seen them. Riley and Buffy, willow and her magic and Tara, Xander and his jobs, and Giles and his lack of one. Now it is interesting that you guys seem think it is about trusting Buffy but Buffy has not fought any big bad alone and her idea means Xander and willow would not be involved. Buffy despite being the main character she was being just as dumb here as the rest.

Pam Nail

- Glad you guys skipped the recap because there's also an Angel recap and you would have been spoiled. - I don't think anyone is out of character here with the fallout. You said it yourself: they have so many issues and they consistently (for the whole series so far) question Buffy or don't tell her things. We've seen their insecurities all season -- and we've specifically seen Spike stoke that several times. It does happen really fast, which feels jarring, but something like this was bound to happen eventually, with or without Spike's meddling. - Riley isn't surprised that Buffy EVER slept with Angel. He thinks she has VERY RECENTLY slept with Angel (i.e. cheated on him) because he thinks Angel is evil when he first runs into him and he's just learned what makes that happen.

Kevin L

Walsh was given (either at start, or partway in) a season-long arc; but her departure followed some weird miscommunications involving her agent I think, and confusion about the expected commitment to the show... Conflicting reports exist. It was a very odd situation. Anyway, the Frankensteinian Adam was always part of the plan, per the showrunners.

Pam Nail

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Jontor11

Great one guys! I find this episode to be a bit frustrating. The fallout between the Scoobies is not fun to watch, and Angel showing up (without context for you guys) just makes things more complicated.

danzthename

Ugh. This episode isn't one of my favorites to say the least. I hate it so much when they fight with each other.. It feels out of character for everyone. Childish Angel is sort of funny at least

James Roberts

Xander's continued hatred of Angel bugs more than anything this episode. He always ranted and raved about not liking Angel because he hates vampires and brushed off any claims it's because he was jealous of Buffy loving him. Yet here he is, in a long term relationship with Anya. A former demon who killed, maimed, and mutilated people for well over 1000 years yet he doesn't seem too concerned about that. Total hypocrite.

Christopher simeon

Anya is no longer a demon. They have all dated people who have killed.

James Roberts

Yes, they have. And Angel is the only one who he claims to still "hate his guts". Gee, I wonder why.

Genevieve Clerc

I agree with all of this. This is not about trusting Buffy (she obviously is not right here either) We have seen their issues during the whole season. This is college time, high scool friends are going their own ways, with new partners, and parents are left aside. Giles has no place, no job, in midlife's crisis. "His" slayer did not even tell him about the initiative when she found out. The episode with Ethan Rayne showed everything that goes wrong with him, and his feelings. Xander struggles real hard finding a place in the world, and does not manage that. His parents dont support him, his friends dont like his girl friend... He feels like a failure. Willow had a violent breakup, then she discovered something really important about herself. No one had time to aknowledge this, or time to talk with her. And Buffy ? difficulties to find her place here at the beginning, a first "bad boy friend choice", and finally ... maybe love and the need to give big support to the lover. No time for friends or mentor ! I think this episode is very clever, and, yes, Spike is only the Yoko factor. He just had to add a little push. (sorry for my english... french here)

Carl Wilson

"Believe Buffy" is too easy an answer. You guys are forgetting all the times in season 3, especially, that Buffy lied and kept things from Giles, Xander, and Willow. Remember how frustrated you were about it? The Scoobies all have big reasons to be insecure - Xander's out of school and unemployed and dating an ex-demon; Willow just came out and, we find out here, apparently Xander doesn't even know. They are still bad at communication because they are all still very young, 19 and 20 years old. (I'm not making excuses for Riley and Angel, who were just being dumb jealous men, though I like when Angel laughs at himself for once..) It's unfortunate to see Giles fall into Spike's web too but we have been shown clearly how insecure and out-of-the-loop he's felt this year.

Carl Wilson

Spike isn't the Yoko. As Spike says, Yoko wasn't gossiping and trying to split people up, she was the object of the gossip, and blamed for the group splitting up, when the problems were actually internal to the group. "She just happened to be there." If anything, Tara and Riley would be the Yokos here.

Stephanie P.

I’m not sure the issue is Willow and Xander not trusting Buffy, it’s more about them being concerned there may be a time when Buffy doesn’t need them anymore or more specifically, a time where they’re not able to contribute enough to be relevant in Buffy’s future. The same goes for Giles when he starts to question how relevant he really is now that Buffy is grown and doesn’t have training sessions with him anymore. The entire season slow builds themes of them finding themselves and it led to them all drifting a part because high school wasn’t holding them together. Xander is desperate to stay helpful but knows he can’t add much to the group because he’s not supernatural and they don’t see each other as much now that he works and doesn’t go to college. Willow is extremely sensitive about her sexuality because it’s something she just discovered about herself and Spike immediately started mocking it to her poking on a wound and insecurity she had about herself. He did the same with Giles. Because these things have been building all season in very small moments, it wasn’t immediately clear to them that Spike did it because he had a colonel of truth to what he said at least enough that it fit in the narrative already building because he’s an observer. If Willow can’t grow with her skills and magic, she worries there won’t be a future where she can be helpful to Buffy and in that talk with Tara she starts to wonder if they’ll be roommates again next year because they barely see each other now. Then we look at Buffy who in small moments you see her walk into her dorm and look at Willow’s side and she’s never there either. Buffy has insecurities that her friends are pulling away from her and her concern isn’t necessarily how useful they are but how she needs them and misses them. But it all comes to head in their massive fight and she doesn’t verbalize that sentiment because she’s so frustrated by everyone attacking her. Miscommunications and communication is a theme through this season much like the episode “Hush”.

Surviving Ragnarok

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Lyla

Absolutely this!

Jamie Morgan

I might be in the minority here, but I love petty Angel and Riley, they're so funny!

Leah W.

Very good point!

aleidascope

My thoughts exactly. They’re all confronted with a lot of personal change this season, and haven’t really been talking about any of it as a group. Joe and Kevin kept being surprised/exasperated that nobody picked up on Tara and Willow’s developing relationship, but until last week’s episode, Tara had barely even met the others. Pretty much all of her time with Willow has been one-on-one, and the one time Willow introduced her to Buffy, it happened to be Faith in Buffy‘s body. Buffy’s been so busy with Riley and the Initiative that she hasn’t checked up on her friends a lot, and Xander and Giles have been grappling with feeling useless and somewhat cast aside. *Of course* it’s easy for someone as perceptive as Spike to prey on all those insecurities and use the fact that they haven’t really talked to each other about any of it to his advantage. And sure, this could’ve been avoided if they *had* properly talked to each other at any point this season, but I also think that, at this stage in their lives and with their specific personal struggles, it’s very realistic that they didn’t.

Erica

I just recently listened to an interview with Marc Blucas, and it was so delightful, I can't wait til you guys are able to listen without being spoiled. He talked about how he was going to go to law school on a basketball scholarship, but his coach or someone said "hey, they're making a movie and they need a white guy who can shoot." and that's how he got cast in Pleasantville! He talked about how when he played basketball, he kept wishing he was a few inches taller, but for acting, he wished he was a few inches shorter. He's 6'2", and SMG is 5'4", which made almost every scene very complicated to shoot and be able to keep them both in frame without looking goofy

ScarlettMi

I think everyone was very much in character for who they are and more significantly *where they are in their lives* at this particular moment. The Big Bad of Season 4 may technically be Adam, but more consistently it’s being struggling with self-image, life changes, transitions, growing up, and personal growth. For good and bad and even in neutral ways, the characters are all going through huge life changes this past year and it has filled them with doubts, anxieties, excitement, confusion, resentments, anticipation, and just a host of feelings. They haven’t had as much time together and the way they connect as a friend group and as a team has gone through major changes. Just think of how few friendships survive after high school. It takes work to communicate those changes in life. Willow coming out has left her rattled and worried about how her friends feel. Xander not going to college has left him feeling left behind and looked down on. Giles is clearly in a midlife crisis and feeling adrift without a job. And Buffy does always have to push away her isolationist tendencies when facing big Slayer issues. Meanwhile, Xander, Willow, and Buffy are all in major relationships at the same time in their young adult lives that has them spending less time together in one group and in one setting. Spike poking at their very genuine issues and insecurities feels very plausible. Not because they suddenly trust him, but because he’s just reaffirming what they’re already thinking about themselves and what they’re already worrying their friends are think about them.

vala p

Which makes sense. Everyone talks about Buffy not being able to have a normal life but Xander and Willow know the truth about the horrors in the world. They can never just sit around and do nothing about it either and, without Buffy they are a bit lost

Neill Shaughness

I don't blame you guys for reading the theme as "trust Buffy". The theme of the third season was Buffy learning to trust herself and the long form writing of the fourth season is pretty muddled. That said, it's important to remember that Buffy does have a few understandable blindspots. The pressure of her role as Slayer can give her tunnel vision (understandably), her trauma can sometimes give her a bit of a martyr complex (remember when she came back from summer break after fighting the master and was a jerk, or after Angel she ran away from home?), and all she has accomplished at such a young age would give anyone a bit of an ego. All that is to say, she has main character syndrome, and while we know she is the main character, it's important to remember everyone else is the main character of their own stories and it can be hard to be friends with someone who thinks they are the only main character. I don't blame her friends for feeling a little taken for granted. Giles has essentially given up his career for Buffy and she has been blowing him off, Willow is going through some major self discovery and doesn't feel like her best friend is present in her life, and Xander is feeling a very real divide in life experience between himself and his more privileged friends. After highschool maintaining friendships and relationships takes a lot more active work, and that's the lesson Buffy is learning this season.

Gail Hislop

The Scoobies have been drifting apart all of this season and it doesn't really take much from Spike to highlight that to them all and play on insecurities and guilt even. Willow pulled away from them when she was grieving her break up with Oz and that led to her finding a new friend and now lover in Tara. That has been a relationship in both ways she had kept to herself, only just bringing Tara to the group as a friend last episode and sharing with Buffy that it was more than that l. It was news to Xander and Giles in this one and basically her coming out. That secret would have made her a bit more vulnerable to manipulation and Spike could easily see that. Buffy has been all wrapped up in Riley and drifted away from Willow and Xander and he has been struggling to find himself in this post high school/not going to college world that his best friends are immersed in. Spike really only highlighted it to them (even though his intent was 'evil') and it didn't break them up in the end. The Angel Riley scenes are my favourite thing in the episode, they are hilarious! Riley trying to stand his ground in Buffy's room, the smug look Angel gives him as he leaves with Buffy and Riley just petulantly left behind, not budging, with his arms crossed was comedy gold from both of them

kosmickrab

To be fair to Xander about spilling the beans about Buffy and Angel's sexual relationship, I also assumed that Buffy would have told that information to Riley, especially when Riley said she shared "more than I wanted to know".

lee

I'm so glad you mentioned the Spike/Faith parallel because that's one of my favourite threads of this episode and even the whole season. I always loved how they both easily noticed (and then swiftly weaponised) the romantic connection between Willow and Tara, and what that says about how they move through the world. Faith and Spike share a malicious kind of perceptiveness that makes them pick up on things other, kinder people don't. It's a combination of their street smarts, self reliance, distrust, misanthropy, pessimism, and antisocial instincts. They are constantly looking out for opportunities to serve themselves at the expense of others, buttons to press, and vulnerabilities to exploit. They also often assume the worst of people and do not trust easily, which makes them consider angles and motives (for others and themselves) that may be missed by someone with more conscience and faith in humanity. Faith (in Buffy's body) knew within seconds of meeting Tara that she was in love with Willow. Spike took a bit longer but still figured it out in less time and with less information to go on than the people closest to Willow who see her every day. They then both preyed on the sensitivity they see as weakness, with the information they see as ammunition, in pursuit of their own selfish and destructive goals. Spike engaging in manipulation to collude with Adam, and Faith in direct cruelty to blow up Buffy's life and poison her relationships. Faith even did the same to Spike in the same night, instantly reading him like a book and then pressing on the bruise of his impotence and frustration, simultaneously screwing up Buffy's life even further by stoking his desire to kill her. And I especially love how Spike and Faith, as you mentioned, are both so capable of coldness, cruelty, and exploitation, yet are themselves so easily manipulated by Adam and Mayor Wilkins. One Tony Robbins-esque monologue about Spike's stifled potential and Adam has him dismantling The Scoobies for him like an eager minion. Mayor Wilkins had Faith obediently gutting strangers without question because he valued and looked after her more than anyone ever had in her life, in ways that were heartbreakingly few and simple. I just love what complex and intriguing villains Faith and Spike are and the overlap between them. They are both superbeings with the strength and impunity to be evil and inhuman(e), which they clearly find enjoyable and empowering, yet they are still so driven by their very human wounds and fears. This makes them at once villain and victim, manipulative and manipulated, puppet and puppeteer. They externalise their pain in a futile, misguided attempt to solve it and they stray farther away from wholeness the more they try to claw it back. They are such great illustrations of tragedy and cyclical abuse that I could go on forever but I think I've yapped enough. Great reaction as always and I'm psyched to see you guys experience what's ahead on Buffy and I cannot wait for you to start Angel!

jimmy2k4o .

Frankenstein‘s creation but he does take the role of the mad scientists He’s even called Adam which is the name of the creature in the book and done adaptations.

Erica

Commenting on this slightly older video because I COMPLETELY forgot the most fun fact about buffy: this is episode 4.20, and from here, there are 69 more episodes of the show. Nice.