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Neil Writes Things

That "daylight" scene is interesting. I haven't noticed that before, and it's not like that on my DVDs. Looks like there are some different versions with different grading doing the rounds.

Temujin

I just assume he's in the shadow of the building not in direct sunlight

Leah W.

My reaction was the same as yours when I realized the deal with the demon this episode! Absolute nightmare fuel

Pam Nail

- The plot of this episode reminds me a lot of The Hidden (1987 horror movie with Kyle McLachlan, where an alien symbiote moves from body to body). - Love the misdirects in this. And yes, it's kind of great that he's not that effective in the beginning. Doyle's visions are very vague, and Angel still has to do a lot of legwork. - The logo definitely looks like an angel! I don't know what's wrong with everyone in this episode. - Hello, Kate! Good call on her being this show's Commissioner Gordon. - I assumed it wasn't *quite* daylight when Angel was walking back to Cordy's apartment. I still did a double take.

Erin

Haven’t even barely started the episode but your supernatural show where sometimes it’s not the supernatural, it’s just people exists... It’s called Supernatural. And I really, really think you guys would enjoy it, given how much you like Buffy, and now Angel. I know it’s a long show but you could just watch the first five seasons and feel satisfied.

Gail Hislop

A few people have already commented re your question about the scene with Angel being outside in daytime, he isn't in direct sunlight, which of course would be an issue. So I think that maybe it's very early morning, or he is moving in the shadows of the buildings. Doyle has been sent to Angel (as he mentioned in the first ep) by the Powers That Be, and his visions are what gives Angel his mission to help or rescue someone in danger. Still a few kinks in that system tho with the vision being so vague! Cordelia is such wonderful comic relief, but who knew she would be such a slob, although i guess she's grown up with maids so it is understandable, but still, gross.

vala p

I love that people were so down on Angel's Liam accent that they went and hired a full on real life Irish dude to overcorrect.

Roland

Yep, definite shout-out to The Hidden, which is actually a really fun ride of a movie. (I can well imagine there's an even earlier horror or sci-fi story that uses the same elements).

Roland

I think someone mentioned a boom mike making an appearance in the pilot..in this episode we get a full crew member, during the bedroom fight scene when Angel gets thrown upside down into the corner of the room. 🤩

Sarah P

I dunno about you, but as someone who watched all 15 seasons of Supernatural, I think that there were solid elements that gave that show its (deserved) longevity. There are elements of the post-Kripke/S5 show that are among the best stuff they ever did. BUT, for reactors, especially these guys who have a pretty high bar, there are periods of Supernatural (which, to be clear, I love) that would be too hard of a slog. I say this because I’ve seen people mention watching “just the first 5 Seasons” before, and I find it unfair to the show at large.

Daniel Lydford

Wolfram & Hart is the name of the law firm.

Erin

I mean don’t get me wrong- I think all 15 seasons are worth watching, even with the rough moments! But I have heard the guys make multiple comments that make it seem like they’re not interested in starting a 15 season show. And I get that completely, it’s daunting! So if they could watch less than all 15 seasons, the ones of which I’m suggesting have very few low points, then that would be a win for me. Also, maybe at that point they’d have enjoyed it enough to keep going, who knows? Or maybe they’re not interested in watching it at all, that’s fine too. It’s just a suggestion.

Erica

Idk if this is an HD remaster, but the one they did for buffy is legendarily bad, including making scenes at night lighter so it looks like daytime. Again, i don't know if that's what happened here, but it's a reasonable theory 🤷

Erica

Hollywood is crazy bc Sharon (the blonde woman from the first victim encounter) is legitimately beautiful, and everyone's acting like she's some kind of sewer troll? Wild. My only other thought for this episode is how much i love cordy. Truly the best. ☺️

Suzanne Whyte

It’s funny that Kevin mentioned Law and Order in the end discussion. The actress playing Kate was on Law and Order for several seasons.

Suzanne Whyte

right? i was so confused by everyone talking about how plain she was. It is a bit of a trope though that even women that are supposed to be unattractive in tv and movies still have to be beautiful.

Nannette

I've never watched Angel before, and idk what I expected but it bothers me that the characters feel 2 dimensional. For a Buffy spin-off I am thus far surprised by how weak the writing feels by comparison. Maybe it gets better, but for now it's unfortunately very forgettable

Jontor11

Great stuff guys! Loved your reaction! Important to know about Angel vs Buffy. The first 2 seasons of Angel were always aired in tandem with Buffy on the same night. First Buffy, then Angel. So whenever there is a cross-over going on, it might be on the same night. The next episode will be a cross-over, and a continuation of Buffy 4x3.

Jane Avery

Has anyone recommended 12 Monkeys, the TV show? So good!

vala p

It was probably because she is a lesbian ( wild, wild TV moment)

Roland

As a red-blooded male, that was such a weird take, she's so very pretty.

Youtalkingtome

Kevin here. Not yet, and I still need to see the movie.

Youtalkingtome

I'm not familiar with The Hidden, but this was an incredibly effective monster here.

Lyla

It's only been two episodes! There's some amazing character development, but that takes time. And Season 1 is definitely uneven and still finding its feet, but it becomes more consistent and assured in tone further in

Suzanne Whyte

To be fair though, the two people who were critical of her looks were the guy that she had rejected and Cordelia, who as much as we love her, has a history of being very critical and insulting about other women.

jimmy2k4o .

Or sometimes called by demons “the wolf, ram and heart”

Kelsey Krehbiel

I always confuse Elisabeth Rohm, the actress who plays Kate, with Sophia Myles, who plays a lead character in my other favorite vampire detective TV show, Moonlight

I🖤Kraken

I can see that. Ooh, Sophia Myles in Doctor Who was one of my favorite episodes ever. They are both so beautiful and compelling to look at...