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Andor, Season 2, Episode 9 - Uncut Version (Patreon)

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2026-09-11 22:40:50
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Yannick, from Montréal

Ohhhh was I waiting for this post.... Looking forward to your reaction to this caper!

Alex von Hochtritt

Running comment as you watch: The opening music contained the Ghor anthem. The Ghor Anthem also played in the background of Senator Organa talking about the "Exit Plan". The confrontation with Erskin reminds me of Luthen's speech in Season 1 - "I burn my decency for someone else’s future." Genevieve O'Reilly, who plays Mon Mothma, was originally only supposed to read parts of her speech to be layered in as background sound, with small parts performed before the camera to be spliced in. She insisted that she be permitted to deliver the entire speech, and Tony Gilroy allowed it. So she stood in her senatorial "box" and delivered the speech in a single, unbroken take (in the green screen room). From memory. That's part of why it hits so hard - the actress thought it was one of the most important things in all of Star Wars. The man who responds to "Who belongs to this?" is Melshi, who was at the prison (Narkina) with Cassian, and escaped with him. The gun belonged to Syril Karn, and Vel recognized it - so whoever "belonged to it" knows Cassian.

Darcy Smith

Interesting discussion about Darth Vader's redemption. My two cents is that, from a storytelling point of view, redemption is satisfying in a way that just killing a bad guy is not. From the perspective of a person on the ground, yeah, the cosmic balance of life taken versus life saved may not be completely met. And yet, even then, I'd like to believe that redemption for any person is not wholly out of reach, even the worst of human beings. Because humans aren't just black and white, during RotJ, Luke's throughline is "there is still good in him." But to achieve that redemption, because of his sins, I do think it was fitting that the only way was through the ultimate sacrifice. As for Syril, it's just such a sad reflection on the way that so many people and their worldview are influenced (if not outright controlled) today. He's the classic defender of the "law and order" ideal. He pursued Andor from the start because, in his words, "I believe we have laws for a reason." Unfortunately, he does not see further than the very limited reasoning that "if you're doing nothing wrong, what is there to fear?" We saw that used in the show and we see it used in real life. I just saw a social media post a few weeks ago where someone was defending the use of flock cameras with just this type of thinking. And it's no coincidence that, in the US at least, the politicization of 'law and order' began its prominence when Jim Crow was being dismantled. A permanent underclass is a useful thing to have in statecraft, I guess. One interesting quote I read on another Andor reaction was to the effect that Syril experienced ego death just before experiencing literal death.

trenton gragg

This episode won the Emmy for outstanding writing in a drama series. The guy who raised his hand is Melshi, he escaped with Cassian from the Narkina 5 in season one. Melshi is also in Rogue One.

José María Montoya

The guy at the end was Melshi. He escaped the prison with Cassian. The pistol was Cyril's old pistol Cassian stole in episode 3 in season 1.

James Anthony

The shot of the blaster was indeed significant, as it once belonged to Syril. Cassian stole it from him on ferrix who then passed it to the gentleman you were supposed to recognise; Melshi, the guy Cassian escaped Narkina 5 with.

D Gyre

Poor Melshi, no one recognizes him (or the pistol) He's from the Narkina prison, makes it out with Cass. He was also originally in Rogue One.

D Gyre

I understand why you guys might never watch Rebels. It is a kids show, honestly I don't love it either. But I like it, it has some big highlights. I love those episodes of it and their connections. It also has some crossover/connection to this episode! They do a nice job of having little connections through these shows. Clone Wars, Andor, Rebels, etc... there are some nice through lines and connections, fleshing out of characters on both sides that is delightful. I wanted you to be aware of that. Rebels in particular has a few episodes that are like "Andor but for 10 year olds"

Neill Shaughness

As far as characters that are as grey Syril I think Saw is the only one who comes close. Even just using his appearances in Gilroy projects he is a complicated rebel. When I finally watched the Clone Wars cartoon where he first appeared I understood that he has known nothing but war, specifically asymetrical warfare, since he was a teenager.

Neill Shaughness

Bail Organa literally committed his life to the Senate. The emperor didn't disband the Senate till after he silenced Bail. One of my biggest criticisms of the prequels is that Bail wasn't a much bigger character.

Neill Shaughness

There are two levels to the conversation between Cassian and Cleya. Yes in that moment Andor is questioning if he wants to keep fighting at all, but there's also the subplot that's been building this season of the Rebellion evolving past the shadowy hit and run style of rebellion of Luthen into the more open and organized rebellion of Yavin. Andor is caught in the middle of these philosophies and I think no matter what, he knows he's done being Luthen's agent.

D Gyre

It's just to get Saw's depth you have to watch/play like 3-4 different pieces of media? At least Clone Wars episodes with him, this and Rogue One as a minimum.

Neill Shaughness

Mon has a right to be afraid of Luthen. If he did think she was a liability he would kill her, and he probably would sound exactly the same as he does in this episode if he was planning on killing her. Luthen is scary, which is why the Yavin guys don't really like Andor running off and working missions for him. They see him as little more than a gangster

ScarlettMi

Bail is right in saying he can’t leave yet and stalling does work for the Rebellion as a whole. (The fate of Alderaan is separate from that.) He needs time to build up the rebellion on Yavin before A New Hope. We’re still about a year and some change out here before they’re ready to take on the Death Star.

Mathilde

This episode solidifies in my mind, with one shot, the entire concept of who Cassian is in the Rebellion. In the show (and in the fandom), they keep calling him a leader but I don't think he is one. The shot when he helps Mon Mothma, with his hand at her back, that's who he is. The one that pushes everyone else forward, that gives others the courage (the girl in episode 1) or the words (like with Kino in season 1) they need. He never seems to mind when others get the spotlight, use his ideas or take credit for anything he did. He is not at the front, nor does he want to be. Like when he walks with Mon, he is one step behind and removed, moving things along but never fully on board or driving the events. I like to think that he is at most an inciting incident, like when they say he's the messenger. But he would have never been one to direct things or people. Could be argued that it's just a different kind of leadership, but I like to see Cassian as someone who matters and does worthwhile things without being celebrated or put in an authority position. Fits the theme of the whole show: you don't need to be special (Jedi) or big (a princess) to help change things.

ScarlettMi

I think they showed that her driver was actually quite affected by her speech and second guessing what to do. He seemingly left his gun behind when he ran up the steps. I don’t know that he would have turned over Mon to the ISB, but we’ll never really know. It was too late and too urgent in that moment to figure things out.

Lola Lirola

I love this take so, so much!

ScarlettMi

The actual politics of what Lucas wrote in those prequels was a really solid and smart basis for a fascist empire to grow in a democracy and take it over. He just structured those stories so messily and surrounded it with rough dialog and clunky plot. would have loved to see those ideas of his run through a different scriptwriter and maybe even director, like with Empire. He wasted time that could have been given to Bail, he left Mon on the cutting room floor, and (for me) the worst was how wasted Padme was in the end, when he left her founding the start of the rebellion out of the film. I don’t fault anyone for enjoying them, but I think the prequels had so much wasted potential.

Neill Shaughness

Frankly, Lucas has always been a "all plot no story" kind of guy (as are a lot of people in the sci Fi scene). He's great at world building, tone setting, and political maneuvering, but weak on character arc and dramaturgy. People forget he didn't write the Screenplay for Empire which has like 90% of the character journeys in the original trilogy.

Yannick, from Montréal

And the reason Vel wanted to know who was with this weapon is because Vel saw it with Cassian from the Aldhani heist. Cassian gave Melshi that weapon after they fled the prison, when Cass heard that his mother was dead in season 1.

Yannick, from Montréal

What a great take... I wholeheartedly agree with that point of view! WOW

Yannick, from Montréal

For everyone's understanding, Mon Mothma does another speech that is broadcasted by the Rebellion when she's on her way to Yavin IV, partly helped by the crew in Rebels. But her speech in the Senate is much more poignant... and another comentor explained what the actress did to make sure the whole speech was filmed. Great stuff indeed.

Neill Shaughness

The reason Darth Vader redemption works isn't because he killed the emperor. It's because he killed himself too.

Paul T Hewes

The Rebel Alliance on Yavin KNOW that Luthen has it in him to commit atrocities in the name of the Rebellion. They know the ends justifies the means to him, no matter what that end is. They might not see him as a gangster, but they know he is a killer without remorse if it means protecting the Rebellion.

Neill Shaughness

They (the leadership) know what he's capable of, but that doesn't mean they always approve of his tactics. Most of them only know the rebellion as a staging for a full on civil war and they see guys like Luthen and Saw as necessary evils at best and many question the necessity. Some, like Vel argue for his utility, but other voices don't agree. Tjis is compounded by Luthen's secrecy. Luthen himself would prefer most people on Yavin have no idea who he is let alone the things he does. That's why Andor got so much attitude when he left for the Ghorman mission and why they had cut ties with Saw in Rogue one. Gilroy does a great job depicting the tension between different but equally necessary revolutionary forces.

Paul T Hewes

-I am of the firm opinion that Lonni had picked and stashed that agent in case he needed some one incompetent to mess up an operation. He probably saved her career and protected her to make sure she was available when/if the time came. I am positive that he volunteered to oversee the potential issues with Mon and Organa once Ghorman fell. Luthen KNEW that there was an ISB agent because Lonni PUT HER THERE and then told Luthen. -The techs who locked the door and put the key away were part of the "legions" of the rebellion, as Nemic put it, fighting on their own front in their own way. -I loved Luthen's hinting at the force when talking to Cassian... -First use of "shit" in Star Wars... -"I'm not sure I can do this..." Probably the first time that Mon REALLY understood the stakes and level of which she had just jumped into with both feet. Before Cassian gunned Lonni's crappy agent right in front of her, Mon's personal rebellion had been with words and secrets and credits. And then in a blink it was blasters and blood and death a foot from her face. -The Senate building is actually a museum in Spain...

Michael Bennett

"The distance between what is said today and what is known to be true has become an abyss. Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous. The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil. When truth leaves us, when we let it slip away, when it is ripped from our hands, we become vulnerable to the appetite of whatever monster screams the loudest." > Asked about the sequence and its real-life inspirations, Andor creator Tony Gilroy told The Hollywood Reporter, “The really sorry truth about the about this question — and we get it a lot — is that peace and prosperity and calm are the rarities. Those are rarities throughout the last 6,000 years of recorded history. You could drop this show at any point in the last 6,000 years, and it would make sense to some people about what’s happening to them.” > Continued Gilroy: “I mean, the control of truth has always been a scabbard of power. Power dictates the narrative, and always has tried to always do that. Look at what the Empire does to Ghorman with their propaganda campaign. The very first scene [in the season] that Krennic has where he talks about Ghorman, that’s based on the Wannsee convention — the convention where the Nazis got together and planned the final solution over a business lunch. You could say all this about the Gulf of Tonkin — which got America into Vietnam — or you could say the burning of the Reichstag [which paved the way to the Nazi’s rise to power], or you could say the sinking of the Lusitania [which pushed America into World War I]. You go all the way through history, and power is the control of truth. So I think with that speech, we were looking to be timeless and classic.”

Michael Bennett

I really liked your closing point about telling "stories of import" in the Star Wars universe. Their strategy for TV series seems to have been "let's do a series about Boba Fett, Obi-Wan, Ahsoka Tano" etc. Basically starting from a popular character and seeing what you can do from there. Andor (and Rogue One before it) started with a cast of completely unknown characters because they wanted to tell a new story. Harder for the marketing department, but makes for much more interesting television.

Michael Bennett

Yeah, Mon is a highly intelligent person who knew exactly where the line was. Crossing it meant she could no longer stay in the shadows, but she still couldn't really know what leaving the shadows looked like until Cloris was killed right in front of her in an INSTANT decision. I also really liked Luthen's vague hinting at the force guiding Cassian to him when he was needed. Bix echoes this as well, she believes he has a higher purpose to fulfill, and seeing that healer is part of that.

dys

We already had the two greatest speeches in Star Wars, between Andy Serkis and Stellan Skarsgård. Now we have the three greatest speeches in Star Wars just in this one show, with Mon Mothma's speech. The need for people like Mon Mothma speaking out for the truth is uncomfortably familiar. You guys immediately saw the parallels with what's going on in the United States of today but it was even more timely when this season aired a year ago.

Roland

That's a great take. Cassian is a leader-by-example, there's been plenty of examples throughout history - Sergeant York from WW1, Desmond Doss from WW2. Cassian isn't a leader like Che Guevara or Osama Bin Laden (or Captain Winters), but he's still massively effective at the coalface, and inspirational to those around him.

Roland

The direct crossover episode of Rebels is S3 E18, which features the escape of Mon Mothma to Yavin, and the speech the (about-to-be) Rebel _Alliance_ needs her to give....

Roland

Tony Gilroy inherited some characters and actors, obviously Diego Luna of course, but also Genevieve O'Reilly. Here's how Gilroy described writing for O'Reilly, once he had understood what she was able to do: "And I never knew what Genevieve O'Reilly was gonna be like. She's a legacy character, but my God, she's a Stradivarius!"

Suzanne Whyte

I honestly can’t believe that Genevieve O’Reilly didn’t at least get an Emmy nomination for this performance. She is so good in this show.

Yannick, from Montréal

For the pleasure of us all, here's Dan Gilroy's words, as spoken by Genevieve O'Reilly: "Fellow Senators, friends, colleagues, allies, adversaries, I stand before you this morning with a heavy heart. I’ve spent my life in this Chamber. I came here as a child. And as I look around me now, I realize that I have almost no memories that pre-date my arrival and few moments of affection that cleave so tightly. Through these many years, I believe I have served my constituents honorably and upheld our code of conduct. This chamber is a cauldron of opinions. For example, we all had our patience and tempers tested in pursuit of our ideals. Disagree, as we might, I am hopeful that those of you who know me will vouch for my credibility in the days to come. I stand this morning with a difficult message. I believe we are in crisis. The distance between what is said and what is known to be true has become an abyss. Of all the things at risk, the loss of an objective reality is perhaps the most dangerous. The death of truth is the ultimate victory of evil. When truth leaves us, when we let it slip away, when it is ripped from our hands, we become vulnerable to the appetite of whatever screams at us the loudest. This Chamber’s hold on the truth was finally lost on the Ghorman Plaza. What took place yesterday, what happened yesterday on Ghorman was unprovoked genocide. Yes! Genocide! And that truth has been exiled from this Chamber! And the monster screaming the loudest? The monster we helped to create? The monster who will come for us all soon enough…is Emperor Palpatine!"

Roland

Content warning: sadly Mon Mothma's speech wasn't written by Dan Gilroy or Beau Willimon.

Comrade Bloodybones

Just realizing the Imperial that was checking press passes and stopped the transmission, was the same guy who was running things on Ferrix under Dedra.

GDF

In Star Wars Rebels, the Gold Squadron (mentioned to Cassian this episode) characters take Mon Mothma somewhere as Admiral Thrawn hunts her down after the Coruscant escape. She makes another speech which brings the Rebel Fleet together. It's honestly kind of awesome how you can connect this dark live show to that animated show like that. They respected the animated show and didn't see it as lesser. Star Wars is cool.

Youtalkingtome

Thank you! I now remember both! It was driving me nuts.

Lola Lirola

It is a museum in Spain! The "City of Arts and Sciences" in Valencia. It's been a controversial build, to be honest. The architect Santiago Calatrava is famous here for making these gorgeous buildings... that are ridden with practical problems. The museum here had leaks, and part of the cement crumbled, and the fixes were so expensive, I think it effectively put a stop to his career. But I've been to a winery he designed, that looks quite similar to this, with curves and hills, and it was truly undeniably gorgeous.

Lola Lirola

Yeah, also I think Gilroy basically trojan-horsed a show about politics into the mandatory marketing structure. Like, all those other shows are just about the encyclopedic lore connect-the-dots, which to me is pretty boring. There's only so much you can sustain on "remember this? recognize that? oh that's where they got that!". Meanwhile, Gilroy is over here like "have you seen the fucking news lately!!???". (Edit: I genuinely had a conversation with some younger cousins who are so very much into lore, and to them the nerdery (in a good way) of connecting all the dots and knowing all the trivia is their main joy, and they are deeply uninterested on deeper themes, and I kinda get it, but I get very bored and irritated at that, so I just love what they did here.)

Youtalkingtome

This show has some of the greatest speeches of all time. Period.

Youtalkingtome

It sucks that we are now at a point where "Star Wars" can't sell a Star Wars story. It has to have some hook or famous character. I love that this show has characters that we've seen before but we haven't seen anyone from the Original trilogy except Mon... and she was in Jedi for like 3 minutes

Youtalkingtome

I get it. I'm just saying him becoming a force ghost at the end will leave a weird taste in my mouth now. Seeing how ruthless the Empire is. Man it's really brutal

Lola Lirola

Yes, exactly! Although, the marketing excuse was "This character from Rogue One... People thought he was hot. Do a show about him". And then the genius is how Gilroy populated the story with actual political revolutionary narratives, instead of just "hey, that is from the movie!" back to back. I mean, the only reference we get to Rogue One is the droid, and that's at the tail end of season 2! I love that. It's so refreshing.

James Anthony

I know right. I should also note the reason Vel was drawn to the weapon is because skeen reported all of Cassians belongings to her on Aldhani.

Steve DeVries

It's also the weapon Cassian took from Syril in Ferrix in S1 E3