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Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Season 5, Episode 8 - Uncut Version (Patreon)

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vala p

Eye doctor, turned into a vampire, who can say.

Genevieve Clerc

When it comes to the relationship between Buffy and Riley, I find it interesting that she did not tell him about Dawn.

Pam Nail

- Glory! Finally we can say her name! - Given the show's history with big snake demons, the one in this ep looks pretty darn good. - Riley didn't just not go through with it, and he was not trying to become a vampire. He deliberately lured Sandy so he could stake her. Which yes, she's a vampire, but she didn't attack him, so it's kind of a dick move. - [rot13 for spoilers] Znlor gur guvat jvgu Fnaql jvyy znxr zber frafr bapr ur fgnegf tbvat gb gur ... penpx ubhfr? oebgury? - For a big chunk of this episode, Riley is the perfect boyfriend and does everything right. But he has a tendency to make all of Buffy's stuff about himself, and taking Dawn's and (especially) Spike's word for what she's feeling is dumb. And perhaps his biggest problem is that Buffy is the only thing in his life right now.

vala p

All those psychology courses he had to take for his cover identity and he learned nothing.

Cotubug

I think they could write Riley as an interesting stable boyfriend in the way Anya and Tara don’t need drama for those relationships to work. So personally I don’t think this was them having no idea what to do with him, I think this was very intentional.

Youtalkingtome

REALLY great observations about Riley. I hate that he is currently making his sense of self-worth entirely Buffy's responsibility.

Stephanie P.

Just when you think Spike can’t get any wilder in what he says or does, he steals Buffy’s panties. He already had that crazy mannequin in his crypt. He’s going down an obsessive path. I thought it was a good catch on your part to point out it is an obsession of his because that’s how he acts. However, I am someone who thinks Spike can occasionally have moments of empathy too.

GemmaBeeBee

100% his insecurities about his relationship with Buffy are fairly gross. There will be people who argue for him or say his character is well written and I agree - it’s just a shame that the reason he’s well written is because everyone has met someone like him and he is such an insecure arse! (UK, arse not ass, sorry not sorry). Making the potentially terminal illness of the parent of your loved one into a personal crisis? Being annoyed that a girl doesn’t need you to cling to? Being sad that you don’t make her cry? Basing your entire worth on the speech of a 14 year old 🤢

Youtalkingtome

He certainly showed great depth and empathy in the last episode.

Jontor11

Yes. I think Riley can tell that Buffy is hiding something, but he misinterprets it to Buffy not loving him, which I think she does. To be fair, the whole key thing is too important to just throw around, and I think it was wise of Buffy to only tell GIles at this point.

Neill Shaughness

My take on Riley and Buffy: I get that he feels taken for granted. Buffy does seem to take their relationship as a given (something a lot of young people do in early relationships) she's also a bit oblivious sometimes when other people's emotional needs aren't beinget (we saw that in s4 when the group nearly drifted apart without her noticing.) Riley does a terrible job communicating his feelings. I understand he doesn't want to pile on Buffy while her mom is in the hospital so that's just on bad timing. All that said, Riley's attitude often annoys the hell out of me. He's old enough to address his insecurities in healthier ways and infidelity is never justified (and what he did is infidelity. If Buffy let Spike drink her blood he'd lose his mind)

Leah W.

It really bothers me that Riley didn't tell Buffy that Spike was being a big creep, and I think it is because he has no faith in his relationship. I love Spike but within the confines of it being a TV show. In reality, a guy like that is a serious problem. Leaving a friend, much less a partner, in the dark about his behavior is messed up.

Youtalkingtome

I agree. We saw this in a teenage love triangle on Gilmore Girls, and those characters were still in high school. Maybe Buffy could do a better job of meeting Riley half-way a bit in their relationship, but his crippling doubts have no basis in anything Buffy has ever said or done. He absolutely should have trusted her enough to mention Spike's creepy behavior.

Youtalkingtome

The timing is definitely bad, but as someone else pointed out, he is old enough not to let off-hand comments from Spike and Dawn send him spiraling.

Neill Shaughness

Oh I agree. Even with all the grace I'm giving him, I think he crosses a line here and loses any moral high ground he might have had.

I🖤Kraken

Dealing with Giles' and Xander's midlife crises last season and now Riley's and Spike's--a good therapist could really clean up in this town. Dealing with Buffy's real life trauma right now, I find them both exhausting.

dys

I know they said they miss the mayor as a villain and I do too, but I rank Glory equally with him as iconic Buffy villains. Adam suffered from being underbaked, introduced late in the season, and not having much of a personality. Glory, like past big bads the mayor, Spike, and even Angelus, is actually fun while being legitimately scary. The snake CGI looks mostly pretty good even if it doesn't pass 2026 standards, and they made good decisions about using a practical costume when they could, the one thing that comes off pretty silly is when we have the wide shots of Buffy strangling it when both the snake and Buffy are CGI.

Gail Hislop

This episode is showing us that not all the scary bad things in the world can be solved by magics or fought off by slayers and we see Buffy powerless to actually help or protect her mother. This is a first for her and a really big learning moment in her life that has so long been about being a girl who can take care of everything evil. Also finding out she has a foe in 'most creamy skinned Glorifucus' who seems almost impossible to take out! It's a double whammy of bad she is dealing with now. On other things Anya coming in clutch with her ancient magics knowledge! And her fear of bunnies always cracks me up. It's nice to see Tara fully integrated into the group and working on the problem solving and her revelation that Glory could be something ancient that predates all the usual written history the gang uses to battle the demons is a big bit of information! Spike, oh Spike 🤦🏻 a brief but memorable appearance in this episode, to get inside Riley's head and boast of his emotional connection with Buffy, all whilst sniffing her sweater scent - cos it's what 'predators' do. Hmmm or crazy obsessed stalkers! I do laugh at his description of Dawn as the bite size one though. Always thinking of the human snack factor. I feel the Riley stuff is the least important aspect of this episode so I would have liked a bit more post episode chat about everything else going on in it, particularly Joyce and Glory. All round a different episode focused more on the frailty of humans against medical issues with a side story of snake monsters.

Neill Shaughness

Also, Michelle Trachtenberg is one of the best screamers in Hollywood. You can depend on her for a believable scream for any occasion

lee

I think the comparison between Spike and Riley is spot on, and it really highlights the possibilities and limitations of their respective arcs and their effect on fandom bias. Both are plagued by insecurity and lack of purpose, Riley because of the dissolution of his former career, life path, and essentially the entire worldview they gave him, and Spike because of the chip in his brain and resulting isolation from the demon community. Spike being rendered incapable of physical violence against humans mean his villainous impulses get pent up and distorted and he can only express them in the weirder and more insidious ways left available to him. He can't kill Buffy so he develops this warped psychosexual obsession with her and sneaks around spying on her, breaking into her house, stealing her underwear, and reducing Harmony to a sex toy he uses while fantasising about punching Buffy in the face. It's revolting to watch, but since he's an evil character the possibilities are endless from a storytelling perspective. Riley on the other hand, confined by his "nice normal guy" character parameters, feels like a narrative dead end. I feel like the writers painted themselves into a corner by keeping him around into season 5 and their attempts to get out of that bind feel pretty inelegant compared to the great development other characters have gotten in only a handful of episodes. The Tara-centric episode was a slam dunk emotionally and thematically for her and Willow, Anya and Xander are stronger than ever as their goals and identities take new shapes, Spike's obsession with Buffy turning sexual brings him to new and exciting lows of creepy loserdom, and Buffy, Dawn, and Joyce enrich their characters and the show with everything they do, both alone and in relation to each other. Dawn has only existed for SEVEN full episodes and a last minute cliffhanger in the premiere, yet in that time she's felt more realised and integral than Riley ever has in his season and a half-ish of major focus. The show has definitely outgrown him but as you said, an unceremonious jettisoning of his character would feel sloppy and cheap this far in. They can't just kill him off and carry on like normal the next week. He can't turn evil to open up his plot horizons either because it would feel forced and desperate. There's just not a whole lot of compelling storytelling you can do with a character whose biggest and most defining problems are that he's just too normal for the universe in which he's long been kept on standby. The only option the writers really have is to magnify and lean into what little they've given themselves to work with, which basically means waterboarding the show's dullest guy with his own insecurity until it sort of resembles the level of drama and development everyone around him is experiencing through their solidly constructed arcs. And even then they still have to try and make the audience care, which is hard when you're actively making him less sympathetic just to give him someone to be and something to do. It's a tough situation and I really don't envy the writers or Marc Blucas. At the end of the day people want to be entertained, I get that, but it's really gotta suck when people have more disdain for your character's mopey self involvement than they do for Spike's actions in this episode alone. Riley deals with his feelings of impotence by feeling sorry for himself, blowing up the vampire who nearly killed Buffy, and letting another bite him. I don't think he ever intended to become a vampire, I think he is far too attached to his humanity and morality to even consider it. I think that moment is much more about a desperate and self destructive release, like substance abuse, self injury, or even attempted suicide. Unwise, certainly, but hardly something to condemn. Xander was right on the money when he said Buffy recklessly went after Glory because she needed something to solve, and he nearly got it right when likening Riley's actions to hers, but then he ends that comparison by implying that Riley's impulses and actions are actually different, less justifiable, and harder to understand. It's a very odd note for that moment to end on, and if I were Riley in that situation I'd feel pretty alienated. He saw Buffy skewered through the gut with her own stake and lose consciousness, she would have died if he hadn't tackled the vamp and carried her home. Riley exacting a quick and effective revenge on that vampire and his gang is treated like some foolish loss of control and a sign of his poor judgment as he goes off the rails for "unknown" and inscrutable reasons, both by the show's tonal presentation of it and the reactions of the other characters. Meanwhile Spike deals with his impotence by funneling his arc-long, repeatedly and emphatically stated contempt for many if not all women into emotional manipulation, verbal abuse, and sexual harassment and degradation towards any and all women to which he has access. Obviously, as a villain his character has license to be that horrible, but with every rewatch the more disturbed I am by the inconsistent gravity, seriousness, and judgment that the show and the fandom assign to the behaviours of its male characters. Riley and Spike are on opposite sides of the hero/villain line so I don't expect or want their actions to be weighed evenly, it would be a shallow and illogical approach to storytelling. But as I said before, the older I get and the wearier I am of what men are allowed to get away with and how that permission is given and perpetuated by cults of personality, the harder it is to stomach certain moments in this show. Regardless of where they lie on the hero/villain spectrum of writing, it still grosses me out that a boring dude emotionally imploding is a dourly presented drag that exasperates the fandom while a heavy sprinkle of comedy beats, fan sympathy, and labels like "loverboy" and "hopeless romantic" get lavished upon a character who is literally stealing Buffy's panties because he can't slap her around anymore. Great reaction as always! I loved your kindness towards the dated CGI moments. As you said, it was 25 years ago and even though I first saw it a few years after it aired, I do remember being pretty impressed by it. Times have really changed but the practical effects still look amazing and have aged incredibly by comparison. I really love the movement of the eyelids and tongue and how much life and personality they give to something with such limited movement of its body. On this watch I got a real big laugh out of the shot of the snake monster slithering back out the Magic Box window. I'm convinced that what's supposed to be Dawn in the foreground is actually a mannequin. The audio is Michelle still screaming her head off but the visual looks like a wig stuck on a completely stationary volleyball. Even a body double would move at least a millimeter!

I🖤Kraken

And she was just such a beautiful little kid. Her sleeping on the hospital bench just warmed my heart.

Claire Eyles

Just in regards to your previous episode discussion. I've always considered Spike to be a Romantic; and not 'romantic' in the modern sense, but Romantic as in in the Romanticist movements of the late 18th-19th centuries kind of 'Romantic'. For those who don't know the Romantics were really big on things like individualism, spontaneity, rejecting societal conventions, fascination with thing mysterious, exotic, and/or supernatural, the idea of the 'sublime' (basically something that inspired intense emotions). They were kind of big on extremes of experience as well (especially as a way to reach the sublime), so we're talking people who would rather take a boat out into the middle of a thunderstorm than a nice leisurely paddle on a calm lake. Romanticists pushed boundaries and did what they did regardless of the opinions of those who didn't matter. Even as a human Spike still embraced his own writing of poetry, and expressing how he truly felt (if unrequited) despite his obvious social awkwardness and the derision of his so called peers, and despite some initial misgivings he still gave into the idea of experiencing the world Druscilla offered him pretty quickly. The trouble with Spike becoming a Vampire though is even the most ardent of Romanticists of the period at least had some sort of moral breaking system. What happens when you take a Romanticist and remove that moral breaking system entirely by taking away their soul - all that desire for extremes of experience, intensity of emotions, rejecting societal norms, the ideas and ideals of the sublime, and so on, with almost nothing in their way to stop them from acting on such interests? I'd wager you'd end up with someone who is extremely dangerous. Right now Spike is on a leash, and yes he's showing a possibility of change for the better even without a soul. But is it really honest change on his part, or is it just a combination of the chip holding him back coupled with the allure of wanting something he can't have?

Carl Wilson

Yeah - it's not that she doesn't trust Willow, for example, in not telling her. She just wants to keep that information as secret as possible. She *needed Giles to know it because she needs his advice and help. Riley doesn't have the same mystical-expert (and father-figure) qualifications.

Carl Wilson

With you on paying less attention to Riley and more attention to everything else!

Carl Wilson

We can never know for sure but I think Riley's too much of a straight arrow ever to consider becoming a vampire. He's not dumb enough to think he'd just become strong, not lose his soul. If the goal were to make Buffy notice him, it would only be while killing him, which would be a pretty perverse form of suicide-by-cop. No, I think he's just dealing with his depression by flirting with danger in order to feel something. He'd rather get killed than turn evil.

Kimba

She only told one person and I think she picked the right person, her mentor as a slayer instead of her boyfriend or best friend. It’s for Dawn’s safety and she barely just found out. It would be weird to go babbling to multiple people right away.

Roland

Kevin, cosplaying as one of The Lost Boys for this week' s Buffy was an inspired choice. :)

Roland

I think we shouldn't forget the fact that, soldier or no, Riley has experienced a huge amount of trauma in a very short period of time. Even with all her woes along the way, Buffy never lost her raison d'être, whereas Riley has had the rug very much pulled from under him. Riley is definitely going through some stuff, and tough boys can't cry in public yadda yadda.

Youtalkingtome

Boys Don't Cry by The Cure is definitely on his playlist

Tara

Co-bro made me lol

Erica

And also a great behind the scenes pic 😂

Anjali Agarwal

I’ve personally never cared that much for Riley as a character. No shade to Marc Blucas because I think he plays him well, but just in terms of the storytelling, Riley has never really been a character I’ve found myself particularly attached to or considered a favorite. On a separate note, you now know her name - GLORY! Clare Kramer plays Glorificus so well!

Erica

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Erica

Oh! One more comment for the guys: i know you've been skipping the recap every episode, but i would make a note for this season's finale to watch the recap, because they do something interesting with it. Idk if you keep notes on certain things, or if you want to be reminded about it the week before, but i was thinking about it and wanted to comment before i forgot

Ashley Thomas

hi willow! i can see you wanted attention and so many people are seeing you now! we all love you! you would get so many pets if we could all reach through the screen. <3

Ashley Thomas

i feel bad for the cobra. he was just minding his own business living his little snake life and he was grabbed, transformed, sent on a mission, and killed for it.