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Thomas Turgoose, Stephen Graham, Andrew Shim, Vicky McClure, Joseph Gilgun, Rosamund Hanson

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Kara

Great film. There's a really good set of sort of sequel miniseries, same quality (or better), following the characters through the years. From Wikipedia: This Is England – Feature film released on 12 September 2006 This Is England '86 – Four episodes broadcast between 7 and 28 September 2010 This Is England '88 – Three episodes broadcast between 13 and 15 December 2011 This Is England '90 – Four episodes broadcast between 13 September and 4 October 2015

I🖤Kraken

Joseph Gilgun just owns my heart. He is the epitome of the scrawny, smart ass, dirty neck hoodlum who's always crashing on your couch but with this magnetic vulnerability, insightful mania and laugh out loud until your sides hurt sense of humor. Def check him out in Misfits, Preacher and Brassic if you get the chance. YouTube interview: https://youtu.be/-tu30-WUeVg?si=JZdcl7RBsM1c6Blp

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Just so you guys know, skinheads aren't inherently nazis. The original skinheads of the 60s and early 70s were just working-class music fans and were closely linked to Jamaican-British rudeboys. They were mainly into reggae, ska, blues, and African-American soul, as much as punk and 2-tone later in the 70s, both of which are heavily influenced by black immigrants to the UK. It was only in the early 80s that the white supremacy started really coming into it, but there was still a big divide between the left, right, and apolitical within the skinhead movement. It's pretty even these days and there have always been far-left skinhead sects too. So this is why Woody's original "gang" weren't racist and had a Jamaican member - they were still skinheads and right to call themselves so, but not the far-right kind gaining prevalencce at the time. I believe the American take on the skinhead movement is more saturated by white supremacists though... Great reaction :)

Suzanne Whyte

This is an important film and it does a great job of establishing the feel of the time and place. Unfortunately, as someone who grew up in a very similar place in the 80’s and 90’s it’s a particularly tough watch for me. My brothers were Shaun’s age when they got dragged into similar situations (although not nazis as far as I know) and they never got out of that place. Also, there has been a rise in nationalism in the UK as there has been in many places and there was a wave of nationalists putting up English flags on lampposts and buildings all over the country. It’s sad to see your country’s flag co-opted by racists and nazis but whenever I see someone flying the flag outside of international sporting events like the World Cup it makes me feel uncomfortable.

Kara

Rewatching this, my first thought is... God, I appreciate a ~90 minute movie that tells a story then just ends. Second thought is; right wing apparatus co-opts culture so much. The white nazi skinheads coopted music and fashion spearheaded by Black immigrants to UK. Hitler was obsessed with culture. Today we see right wing apparatus trying to coopt certain celebs, rappers etc. Black folks having their shit raided for years by people who hate them. A desperation for "coolness" that goes back decades, centuries. There's a joke format in the UK, it goes something like: "I'm English, I believe in a proper England. Without all these foreigners. Except the ones who make my curry and chinese food, I love a curry on a friday night. And the immigrants who made all the music I listen to. And the Germans who brew my beer, and the ones who build my cars, or saver my life on the NHS. But besides all that, England for the English." etc I think the film does a brilliant job of showing how close rebellion English punk and skinhead cultures were. Another co-option, a wafer-thin line. You're right to feel worried at first, but the group having a Black person is an indicator that they aren't white supremacists at least e.g. It's a small thing but Smell (Shaun's girlfriend) is 15, turned 16 on her birthday here, which is the age of consent in the UK - not something I agree with, but people didn't think twice about it back then. Still a really bad age gap regardless but she's not 18 at least.

Kara

Holy shit - you haven't seen Adolescence? It's the four-part Netflix show Stephen Graham won awards for. Put it on the list for sure, you won't regret it.

Kara

Posted about this elsewhere but the culture was unfortunately co-opted by nazis/white supremacists. When a bunch of nazis start wearing your fashion style, they sorta own it sadly. Even this movie discusses your point; near the end Combo talks about how he got his aesthetic off Black immigrants in the late 60s.

Kara

100%. It's so depressing watching this movie, seeing all the National Front posters and rhetoric and thinking... this could be 2026 with a few words changed. It's a madness. Really sucks that the England flag has become a soft signal that you're anti-immigrant or racist, I'm also concerned when I go somewhere and there's too many flags.

Suzanne Whyte

It’s interesting seeing stuff about the Falklands war. In another parallel to current times there has been a rise in tension regarding the Falkland Islands with the Argentinians threatening sanctions because the UK have started drilling for oil near the Falklands. Unsurprisingly, Trump is also threatening to support Argentina if the UK isn’t nicer to him. It’s just another area where tensions are escalating.

Chemical Em

Michelle is 15 (16 on her birthday) and shaun is 12/13? it's a age gap. I love Michelle's eye makeup and the overall realistic 80s look of the film

Chemical Em

i love the scene where combo can't handle milk talking about his family and how milk loves his family and this hurts combo as we can only speculate his home life, it just shows how pathetic combo is (hurt people, hurt people)

Alex

I'll hold up my hand up and admit I always avoided watching this movie, as i though it was glamourising English nationalism. Now I realise I was completely wrong, and it's more like American History X. Unfortunately, the way things are going in the UK, it felt very contemporary...

Jamie Morgan

God, I haven't watched this in a while. It is unfortunately a mirror of current day Britain. The rise of Reform has let all the bigots loose again. The only thing that's different is the soundtrack. Always makes me laugh when British nationalists hold up St George as a British hero...he was an immigrant from the Middle East! The movie was rated 18 in the UK, but a lot of local film boards agreed that the 15-18 year old demographic were the ones who needed to see it the most so those councils lowered the rating to a 15. That's very rarely done, that's how important this film was. "Wog" is short for "Golliwog", a doll that was a racist caricature of Black people and for some reason very popular in the UK. Even I remember a brand of jam that had a Golliwog as a mascot, and I grew up in the 90s!

Suzanne Whyte

The Michelle situation and the age gap makes me very uncomfortable but she was probably Shaun’s age when she had her first sexual encounters with older and possibly adult men. Shun is a sweet kid and is nice to her and due to her experiences and the time period she doesn’t see anything wrong with it.

Lola Lirola

Omg, they haven't?? It's an amazing miniseries, they definitely need to see it!!

Kara

100%. I think it betrays a truth at the heart of all reactionaries; in short, "my life is shit [often due to my own actions], so why are we giving XYZ groups stuff?" Internalised anger projected outwards. You also see this in the National Front speaker (nazi rally) scene, it's ludicrously easy to radicalize all these hurt angry men, they don't even need data or good logic, and the one kid who sees through it because he's not damaged and jaded enough to be radicalized gets booted out. This is contrasted with Gadget, who has been bullied for years, and immediately gets excited when someone starts telling him there's a group of people whose fault it is and he can become powerful by bullying them instead. An endless cycle of violence. I also think its funny in a deeply sad way that all Combo's little racist group achieves is bullying some children, robbing one Asian shopkeeper and spray painting some hate symbols. A worse film would have them planning a massive terrorist attack, kidnapping someone etc... but in the end all they achieve is pathetic threats and then beating up a kid they invited home. All white supremacists are fundamentally this pathetic, some just hide it better.

devoidzer0

Thanks for the reaction, guys. I'm glad you enjoyed the movie as much as I do. I'm an American who is fascinated by UK culture. I only discovered this movie about a year ago, and the spinoff TV series a little later. The whole 'This is England' franchise has become one of my favorite things ever. The friendship and cameraderie between the 'gang' is just so wholesome and feels so real. The movie is very good, but the TV series really take things to a whole new level in terms of acting, drama, and emotion. Some scenes have literally left me speechless. The character of Combo isn't a straight monster, he's more nuanced than that (as we find out later in the TV series). The way you feel about him at the end of this movie is definitely not the same as you do at the end of 'This is England '90'. One thing I don't think was given that much attention is the whole socio-economic undertones. These people are from the proverbial wrong side of the tracks, and are not the most worldly or well-educated. They have street smarts, but not much else. Movements like the National Front don't typically take root in a populace that is affluent and well-educated. They thrive on ignorance and fear. Some members of the group have enough awareness to recognize what it is (i.e. Woody and Lol), but others are far more easily swayed. I'm actually glad the movie didn't go darker (it could've), but the TV spinoffs actually DO go there. Sometimes they are really hard to watch, but everything that happens has a purpose and feels grounded in reality. I hope you can get around to watching them at some point, they are really worth it. By the way, I just realized that young Jack O'Connell here plays Jimmy in 28 Years Later: The Bone Temple. I didn't even recognize him. I can't think of two more different roles.

Youtalkingtome

For certain, we get a sense at the end that Cosmo is a product of a broken family life and horrific influences while incarcerated. We were just so relieves that everyone was able to escape him (at least in this film).

Youtalkingtome

Combo is a great character to see just how cyclical hate really is. As Kara pointed out, he comes from a bad home, so he spreads his hate outward to Gadget, who sends it out farther, and the cycle continues.

Youtalkingtome

I read that afterwards. It is an uncomfortable (but important) scene for sure, and the characters appeared to be of greater age difference than that while watching.

Youtalkingtome

I'm glad local film boards were forward-thinking enough to let younger, more vulnerable age groups see this. I didn't know that about St. George, and that is a wonderful detail highlighting just how ignorant these groups are.

Youtalkingtome

God, everyone just needs to give Trump a trophy and tell him he is the bestest boy so he will stop destroying all our lives.

Youtalkingtome

For sure, contemporary UK, US, and larger swaths of Europe have completely forgotten the lessons of the 20th century. It's maddening and tragic.

Stephanie Bedworth

Been a long time since I've watched this one. It's as good as I remember. My husband and I loved this and the three miniseries that follow it. The writer/director Shane Meadows has some other good movies worth checking out as well like Once Upon a Time in the Midlands, A Room for Romeo Brass, and Dead Man's Shoes.

Youtalkingtome

I would actually like to check that out at some point