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Downton Abbey 1X3 - Uncut Version (Patreon)

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Erin Mileur

Penelope Wilton who plays Isobel Crowley is another historical drama you might find interesting The Monocled Mutineer (1986). A four episode miniseries who chronicles the story of Percy Toplis a British solider in WWI and his supposed role in the Etaples mutiny. Based on a book of the same name whose scholarship since publication has been called into question the miniseries is none the less a really interesting watch and can found for free on Internet Archive.

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2026-11-05 15:00 I've looking forward to this all week.
2026-11-05 01:47 I've been looking forward to this all week.

I've been looking forward to this all week.

Erin Mileur

The actor who plays Carson Jim Carter first role was in the movie Top Secret! (1984) as French Resistance member Deja Vu. Top Secret was made by the same people behind Airplane and Naked Gun and is basically a parody of spy, WWII, and Elvis movies and is the film debut of Val Kilmer and he sings in it its hilarious.

acidnova

"We stayed up way too late watching the election." LOL I always wondered what the time in between recording full length reactions and posting them here were and now I know! Hope you guys get to catch up on some sleep tonight!

BRENDA

ME TOOO:) Wonderful to see this reaction & can't wait to watch....I was up late too:)

BRENDA

:) It's here! Let us continue..........the adventure!

Daniel Lydford

Burke's Peerage would be an example of a stud book.

Tobias Keezy

The estates going away was an inevitability. Economic productivity was going up rapidly in this period. You're not just paying someone to do a certain job for you. You're paying them not to switch to the best alternative job. So even though the job hasn't changed in its own tasks or productivity, the Baumol effect means the wages will keep going up and there's nothing you can do about it. We see the same thing now with daycare work. The job is mostly the same it's been for a hundred years at least, yet the prices keep going up. As time goes on, even if their output remains the same or grows reasonably, these estates can't afford to pay all these servants. Eventually, it stops being a workable model at all.

Leah W.

This is my first time watching and... damn! God struck that man down quick. I was not expecting that!

Mithroch

Ah, ye bastids. You started me binging. Now I'm almost done with season 4

acidnova

Oh wow, I didn't know that! It's been ages since I've seen it, though! I'll have to rewatch it one of these days!

Erin Mileur

In England fox hunting became a thing after the deer population had declined and they shifted to hunting foxes. In the US the practice was different in that the hunt ended when the fox had been cornered and gone to ground.

Allison O

Debrett’s peerage, probably. Jane Austen has a great bit (the opening line of Persuasion) about a baronet who’s so obsessed with his own status that the Baronetage is the only book he reads, so he can see his own name. This episode is when I went ride or die for Anna 🤣. She’s a real one.

Youtalkingtome

I had to look it up. I had no idea that was and is a real thing. I want a copy of an older edition!

sharkey197

The thing with Gwen is that it was not a common thing to change your class status then unlike here where we believe everyone can rise. So it was a shock when she revealed her plan, esp to a traditionalist like Carson. Also you can be sure Kamal died of natural causes. But the scandal of WHERE he died is almost as bad as a murder.

Youtalkingtome

Definitely, the biggest concern I have moving forward is if / how the real story of the circumstances of the death are revealed.

Joy M

I’ve watched this series a few times and I still say Lady Mary killed him with her…

Joy M

I’ve watched this series a few times and I’ve never asked, how did Gwen practice her typing with no one noticing or hearing it?

Clare Manion

Oh, I’ve been looking forward to this one! Yes, definitely one of the spicier/more shocking episodes, lol. And thank you for acknowledging that Pamuk was *very* aggressive in pursuing Mary, to an uncomfortable degree. Joe - Bonus points for equating Pamuk’s arrival with the Charlie’s Angels head shake! That was hilarious! About Carson - Indeed, he can be both sweet and rather curmudgeonly… I imagine him as kind of a grandfather figure for the entire house (upstairs and down) - deeply caring, but with some ideas that may belong more to a previous time. If that makes any sense.

Joy M

I know, right, I still have a few episodes of The Diplomat to finish and instead I’m bingeing Downton, AGAIN!

Kevin L

Our ladies had better keep their scandalous secret, otherwise what suitor will ever dare try to, uhhh, ravage Mary's poisonous garden.

I🖤Kraken

Have you guys ever seen Theo James who plays Mr Permuk in anything else? He's gotten quite successful in Hollywood.

acidnova

I'm just gonna headcanon it as Anna is a VERY sound sleeper!

Kelsey Krehbiel

On my first watch, this was the actually the episode that made me initially lose interest. It took a few years before I gave it another try. This particular episode was just a tad too soap opera-y for me

DGriff

We see a little in this episode why the estate system became impossible to maintain. There are lots of reasons but availability of servants is a big one. Lots of new kinds of work were appearing and old kinds were expanding, especially, but not only, for women. Work in factories and offices and retail. Sometimes these jobs paid a little worse than domestic service but you had time to spend your pay and meet other people and build a life. Domestic service was all-consuming. Work in, e.g., a factory also have you privacy at home. Working in a factory didn't involve being under the oversight of the factory manager in your off hours or allow the floor supervisor into your bedroom on a whim. There was a bit of a propaganda push in this era to convince women that domestic service was much better than work in offices and factories (often along the lines the Dowager gives in the episode) but it ultimately failed to convince for a whole host of now quite obvious reasons. The lowered availability of servants did also lead to some improvements to domestic service working conditions though. A day off every so often started to become a more common expectation, even in smaller middle-class houses who might only have one or two servants. Heinz starts selling its first tinned soup in 1910 and it was marketed in the UK as a luxury food item. The basic appeal was that as the lady of middle-class, wealthy or aristocratic household, you were increasingly expected to give your cook a day off now and then, but middle and upper class women had never been taught to cook, so enter tinned soup! You can have something warm without having to figure out all the ingredients or risk getting it wrong and the cook doesn't have to prep as much in advance of her day off (and so hopefully she doesn't quit).

sharkey197

I wondered about that, too!

I🖤Kraken

Ever heard of Alan Aykbourn's play The Norman Conquests? There's a 1978 tv version with Mrs. Crowley in her 30s and she was so sparkling, adorable and funny. You can only get it in dvd in the US but with a UK VPN, you can stream it on Amazon UK. Worth it--the characters are fantastic and it's brilliantly written.

Julzy

I have watched this series many times & I always enjoy watching Mary's eyes & jaw drop at her first sight of Kemal Pamuk played by Theo James.

acidnova

I think Mary has my overall favorite wardrobe on the show. There are a lot of incredible outfits throughout the entire series but I think that most often, when I notice something I really like, it's usually something Mary is wearing. I look forward to revisiting all of them again!

Lola Lirola

Get out!! I love Top Secret, and I didn't remember him in it! What range!!

K

The other thing about Gwen’s story is that employers were understood to have a borderline parental authority over their staff. This was true just as a general rule, and to an even more dramatic degree with live-in servant positions. The idea that you do your job and otherwise your life is your own was not the accepted one at the time. Mrs Hughes and Carson would consider themselves perfectly entitled to assert authority over the younger servants in the household in a way we would associate with parents and preteens rather than with bosses and adult employees. Carson could very well have forbidden her from her typing practice, although I don’t think Mrs Hughes would have let him get away with it!

Anjali Agarwal

"I am going to miss Vivek Ramaswamy" Haha that made me LOL. It was a great night! What I love about the writing is that it makes ordinary human problems feel enormous and as the show goes on, the dialogue becomes very quotable.

Actuarial Lurker

Penicillin wasn't invented until 1928 and wasn't put into widespread use until the Allies introduced it during WW2 in 1943 and 1944 for battlefield use to avoid amputation from gangrene.... Bates having those infected abrasions from the crude orthopedic device back in 1913 meant resorting to medical practices used in the US Civil War 50 years prior.,.so while intrusive, the other staff essentially saved his leg or even his life.....

Actuarial Lurker

This is my third watch of this series, having seen it first when it aired in the US in 2011. I still think Mr. Pamuk was euphemistically suggesting Mary could preserve her "virginity" through anal sex since that "would not count". If I'm not wrong then that would add to the scandal since she'd have to admit to what was considered "deviant" and illegal even in the context of marriage due to UK sodomy laws (which weren't changed until the 1990s). Using unmarried anal sex to claim that she still was a virgin could have landed both in prison- except perhaps not for someone of social rank

Cristy

What an episode! Talk about scandal. You really need to see Theo James (Pamuk) in The White Lotus. I adore the relationship between Carson and Mary, it's so heartwarming to watch. Also, Sybil is such a sweetheart helping Gwen.

Actuarial Lurker

If you see my other post there always was a question in my mind which "part" of Mary was fatal

Actuarial Lurker (edited)

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2026-11-06 05:00 As I understand it- as an American learning about peerage incidentally from college level Shakespeare courses- the eldest son used a rank one step down from his father until he inherited the title, but the other sons stayed one step lower. If my understanding is correct, then if the Earl in this family had sons rather than 3 daughters his eldest son would be a Viscount until he inherited and became the next Earl, but the other brothers would stay Viscounts. So if Lord Grantham is marrying off his daughters to a second or third son he needed the family to be one level up...and pursue a man who was the second son of a Marquess for her future husband to be an Earl. So for the Brits amongst us, Is this right?
2026-11-05 07:18 As I understand it- as an American learning about peerage incidentally from college level Shakespeare courses- the eldest son used a rank one step down from his father until he inherited the title, but the other sons stayed one step lower. If my understanding is correct, then if the Earl in this family had sons rather than 3 daughters his eldest son would be a Viscount until he inherited and became the next Earl, but the other brothers would stay Viscounts. So if Lord Grantham is marrying off his daughters to a second or third son he needed the family to be one level up...and pursue a man who was the second son of a Marquess for her future husband to be an Earl. I do know that the eldest son would get 100% which is why the younger sons might enter the clergy (since they could still marry) or the military. So for the Brits amongst us, Is this right?

As I understand it- as an American learning about peerage incidentally from college level Shakespeare courses- the eldest son used a rank one step down from his father until he inherited the title, but the other sons stayed one step lower. If my understanding is correct, then if the Earl in this family had sons rather than 3 daughters his eldest son would be a Viscount until he inherited and became the next Earl, but the other brothers would stay Viscounts. So if Lord Grantham is marrying off his daughters to a second or third son he needed the family to be one level up...and pursue a man who was the second son of a Marquess for her future husband to be an Earl. I do know that the eldest son would get 100% which is why the younger sons might enter the clergy (since they could still marry) or the military. So for the Brits amongst us, Is this right?

Actuarial Lurker (edited)

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2026-11-06 05:00 If you've read Theodore Dreiser's "Sister Carrie" written in 1900 we follow an American woman in the late 1880s who moves to Chicago and works in a factory working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week with only Sunday off since this is prior to Teddy Roosevelt's labor law reforms that followed that exact book raising public awareness... since we are in 1913 Britain and the Prime Minister as we learn from the Dowager last episode is the famous Labor Party figure Lloyd George then the norm of working 6 days a week of 10 hours a day like Bob Cratchett in Scrooge (who shuts down at 7pm) starts becoming six 8 hour days, then half day Saturdays and then full 2-day weekends (Recall the Dowager saying "what is a weekend") So becoming an office secretary WOULD cut her hours from on call all day in the Estate to a 40 or 44 hour work week with more pay and more personal time....
2026-11-05 07:36 If you've read Theodore Dreiser's "Sister Carrie" written in 1900 we follow an American woman in the late 1880s who moves to Chicago and works in a factory working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week with only Sunday off since this is prior to Teddy Roosevelt's labor law reforms that followed that exact book raising public awareness... since we are in 1913 Britain and the Prime Minister is Liberal Party leader Lloyd George who already upsets the Dowager with Universal Health Care...now we see the social disruption of his support for trade unions and changing norms for work habits. If you watch the Alistair Sym Scrooge you see that business closes at 7pm, so offices have 10 hour days for people like Bob Cratchett. Britain didn't alter factory labor laws until after WWI since wartime production was crucial but white collar jobs in the US and UK were already changing- six 10 hour days in Dickensian times, become six 8 hour days, then half day Saturdays, then full 2-day weekends (Recall the Dowager saying "what is a weekend") So becoming an office secretary WOULD have cut her hours from being on call all day as a house maid at the Estate to a 40 hour 5 day week or 44 hour 5.5 day work week with more pay and more personal time....

If you've read Theodore Dreiser's "Sister Carrie" written in 1900 we follow an American woman in the late 1880s who moves to Chicago and works in a factory working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week with only Sunday off since this is prior to Teddy Roosevelt's labor law reforms that followed that exact book raising public awareness... since we are in 1913 Britain and the Prime Minister is Liberal Party leader Lloyd George who already upsets the Dowager with Universal Health Care...now we see the social disruption of his support for trade unions and changing norms for work habits. If you watch the Alistair Sym Scrooge you see that business closes at 7pm, so offices have 10 hour days for people like Bob Cratchett. Britain didn't alter factory labor laws until after WWI since wartime production was crucial but white collar jobs in the US and UK were already changing- six 10 hour days in Dickensian times, become six 8 hour days, then half day Saturdays, then full 2-day weekends (Recall the Dowager saying "what is a weekend") So becoming an office secretary WOULD have cut her hours from being on call all day as a house maid at the Estate to a 40 hour 5 day week or 44 hour 5.5 day work week with more pay and more personal time....

Carl Wilson

There's truth to the idea that the manor supported the local village, but by this time that's a vestige of what was actually a robust (albeit exploitive) system in the feudal era, and has been gradually diminishing ever since. At this point it's barely true and the manors are as much parasites on the county as their bastions.

that girl

"Mrs Crawley" isn't as ambiguous as you'd think, since it would be seen as somewhat insulting to refer to any of the other characters that way.

Carl Wilson

When I first saw this, Lady Mary accepting Pamuk into her bed both shocked and impressed me - okay, I thought, not everything in this show is going to be what we expect! I think Mary must be around (or almost) 21 at this point, and as she says "I've never done anything" - it feels pretty understandable that while she's scandalized this handsome man's advances are very hard to resist. The death is a little more soap-opera, in ways the show will lean into often, but also entertaining on another level.

Carl Wilson

Carson's fatherly love for Lady Mary in this episode is so touching, and a reminder of how these bonds grow beyond the purely professional as time goes by.

Youtalkingtome

He is a total grandpa! You really nailed it. Pamuk definitely rubbed me the wrong way

Youtalkingtome

I don't believe so. I looked him up after we finished today because he looked really familiar. I know he's been in a ton of stuff!

Youtalkingtome

They really did. I thought it was incredibly sweet that they care for him

Mithroch

Sadly for me, I'm not on my Netflix rotation until December or January. I'll have to wait for Diplomat season 4 until then.

kosmickrab

The Carson/Mary relationship is one of my favorite aspects of the show. Lots of lovely moments to come. BTW, if you don't remember, Carson was in Wonka. He was one of the unfortunate people who found themselves trapped in Olivia Coleman's basement forced to work off their debts.

Dil

Theo James is HOT now but man was he an absolute beauty in this episode!

Daniel Lydford

In the aristocracy the eldest son would inherit everything. Younger sons would be styled as Lord, or The Honourable depending on father's title. It is common for the eldest son to be known by a lesser title if there is one held by the father, but depending on the level of the main title there may not be any.

AudeAudor

Ooh. I should watch this! I only saw him in "Brassed Off" with Ewan McGregor and Pete Postlethwaithe. Oh, and in "Shakespeare in Love".

AudeAudor

In France, we did have a President who died during...the thing. Felix Faure in 1899 was with his mistress in some room of the Elysée when *boom*. Although he was 58 and had previous cardiac problems. And he took his last breath 3 hours after.

Lola Lirola

My sister has a friend who inherited a castle and a "lesser nobility" title, and he has to rent it for events (weddings, retreats, tourist visits... and film shootings much like the estate where this one is filmed!) to make ends meet, because it's unsustainable. He lives in 3 of the rooms on the right wing, which are off limits to visits, but the rest of the big house is full of strangers all the time. It's very weird.

Tobias Keezy

Lloyd George was from the Liberal Party. Labour wasnt elected until the 1920s

Dani

I forgot how early the Pamuk incident was in the storyline of the show. Quite scandalous of Mary but I love so many things about her and her somewhat unpredictable nature - while not quite the same as Sybil's free spiritedness - is one of the reasons. Her relationships with Anna and with Carson are two of my favorite relationships on the whole show and humanize her in ways no other relationships do. I'm so thrilled you guys are watching this series. I look forward to Wednesdays!

Rini Rikka

I think, Mr. Pamuk actually cought onto Thomas' affection and deliberately led him on with tying his tie to have some leverage over him and exploit him later. Because once Thomas has made his move, he tied the tie while offering "the deal". Anyways, it's still a tradegy, for him and for the whole family and staff. It would be scandalous at our time as well and would spark investigations and rumors right away. They have the benefit of the technology (or rather the lack of) back then, so it's just about the hear-say, not actual evidence. But then again, this is why the rumors had so much more authority back then. I love how the series show the social aspects like this without dramatically exaggerating them. I mean, it looks exaggerated to us, but it still leaves the viewer with the understanding: well, it was like this back then.

Actuarial Lurker

Was typing that at 3am! Correction noted....

Paul T Hewes

I mean, what could be more natural than what he was doing when he died?

Paul T Hewes

Highclere Castle, where they shoot the external scenes at for Downton, has probably bought it self a few more decades of ownership/maintenance due to its fame. Tours and such are still pretty big for it, though not as big as when the show was still in production.

Paul T Hewes

Julian Fellowes, the mastermind behind Downton, currently has another show running on HBO "The Gilded Age", which the main conflict is new money/old money in NYC in the 1880s. Its quite a hoot, and it doesnt appear to be in the same universe as Downton, it has a lot of its same feel, but with much brighter colors, and some halfway/all the way big names. Also, it addresses race and a good chunk of the writers/directors are women of color, which is/was a bigger deal in the US than the UK.

Barbara Panigot

This was the episode that got me hooked. It's supposed to be based on a real incident that no one knew about until it was discovered in a diary after the diary owner's death.

Cosmic Slice

I don't think it's that Thomas is "not nice", it's that he's jaded. Back then, gay men could be dismissed immediately without a reference for "conduct unbecoming". Without a reference, he would be entirely blacklisted from service. Because they lived on-site, losing his employment would leave him homeless and in poverty. It was also a criminal offence then and if prosecuted, he would be sentenced to hard labour. As for Mrs. O'Brien...she's one of those people who is bitter over her status as one of the working class. She's not happy and resents anyone else around her being happy either. And with Gwen, you have to remember that this was a very class based era still. A working class housemaid was pretty much the bottom of the domestic service hierarchy. For one to aspire to a white-collar job was seen to be "putting on airs" and trying to rise above her station. Escaping a life of service then was incredibly difficult to do. I actually descend from a line with estates that still exist in England. Merthen Manor was the home to my 9th great-grandfather, Trewan Hall was the home of my 8th great-grandfather (who was the 3rd Baronet Trelowarren) and then the ancestral estate of Trelowarren that has remained in the family since 1427. The estate now offers eco-tourism and rents out the original buildings on the estate as bed and breakfasts. Though there is less of the massive estates of the past - many areas in the UK still feature resident families that haven maintained deeply integrated, long-standing communities for hundreds of years. As for the "stud books" - you not only had Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, Debrett's Peerage but there was also Walford's County Families which not only listed the titled nobility but also the landed gentry. It noted their property acreage, annual income and club memberships...useful info for prospective husbands.

Cosmic Slice

You can view them on the Internet Archive whilst you look for a physical copy. I have at least a few ancestors in there.

Cosmic Slice

The estate system has transformed to be sure, but it has not really disappeared. The class system that dominated service certainly has but many estates still are very central to the communities that surround them still, even after hundreds of years. The ancestral seat that belongs to a branch of my family is still owned by the family even after more than 600 years and they lease out many of the originally buildings as bed and breakfast cottages now.

Cosmic Slice

Not necessarily. If an Earl (or Duke/Marquess) holds a subsidiary title of Viscount then the eldest son customarily uses that as a courtesy title. But if not, the son generally uses a lesser subsidiary title like a Barony. The younger sons are generally The Honourable (name). And using a Barony does not make the son a peer - that is reserved for Baronets created by the Crown.

acidnova

"It noted their property acreage, annual income and club memberships" So THIS explains why in every Jane Austen story, everyone seems to know the annual income of every rich person who comes their way even if they've never met. I thought it was only through word-of-mouth but I didn't realize that the information was published and could be accessed that way. I mean, we have the internet now and could try to learn net worth of various rich people though that's not the same thing as actual income since having a lot of value in the stock market means their net worth fluctuates a lot.

acidnova

It's such a fun show. I'm looking forward to season 4! And it's set a few decades earlier so we get some extra froofy and frilly costumes! And Carrie Coon is amazing in it!

Cosmic Slice

Most likely....the thing about doing genealogy is that all of these books come into use...a lot.

Kt B

I always wondered what he meant, but doing that option with no preparation would have been very painful, and I do not think that Mary would have continued to consent. I don’t know, but it always made me wonder

Kt B

The English did propagate rumors about foreigners, particularly those who were not Christian, engaging in homosexual acts in general, and sodomy in particular, as a symptom of their godlessness. I am sure that Thomas had heard the rumors and taken them to heart. If you’ve ever heard the term BFE as a casual way to refer to a place that is remote, hard to get to, or backward in their customs, the origin of the term lies in the presumed immortality of the residents of Egypt.

Youtalkingtome

I was thinking about that Wednesday night myself. Pamuk entrapped Thomas for his help. If everyone watching could see how much Thomas was attracted to him, so could Pamuk.

Youtalkingtome

This is the first thing I've seen him in. He's a good looking guy.

Daniel Lydford

He's probably best known for starring in The Divergent Series along side Shailene Woodley.

Cosmic Slice

I appreciate finally having a place for my tons of normally useless knowledge 😂

acidnova

Honestly, I always just assumed he was saying that whatever they did would remain a secret or something like that.

Actuarial Lurker

At dinner Pamuk says "a little pain is a worthy price to pay for pleasure". In her bedroom he says "Don't worry, you can still be a virgin for your husband...with a little imagination....Don't worry it will be safe" Per a Reddit thread Julian Fellowes said there was dialogue cut out where Pamuk suggests saving a vial of blood for her wedding night to put on the sheets (per practices in the Middle Ages used to prove a royal wedding had been consummated) and this was edited out leaving the audience to believe he was suggesting "alternatives". The Google AI: Creator Julian Fellowes explicitly denied that Lady Mary and Kemal Pamuk engaged in anal sex in Downton Abbey. • The Rumor: Viewer confusion and online speculation arose over ambiguous dialogue in Season 1, Episode 3—specifically when Pamuk tells Lady Mary to trust him that it would be "safe"—leading many fans to assume they had anal sex to preserve her physical virginity. • Fellowes' Denial & Regret: Fellowes has repeatedly stated that he never intended to write an anal sex scene and has called the ambiguity his "biggest regret" in the show's writing. • The Cut Scene: Fellowes explained that a scene was cut from the episode involving a vial ("phial") of blood meant for Mary to fake virginity on her wedding night. This cut dialogue was supposed to make it clear that regular, standard intercourse had occurred, which unfortunately triggered widespread misinterpretation.

Actuarial Lurker

Joe and Kevin Near the end you speculate about Mary's age when snickering at the thought that she might be considered an old maid and wondered if Sybil who was helping the house maid become an office worker was an adult. Per the Downtown Abbey wiki Mary was born in 1891, Edith in 1892 and Sybil in 1895. This third episode takes place in 1913, so depending on what month each was born in- Mary is 22, Edith 21, and Sybil 18.

BRENDA

This is a series that you can watch YEARS later after seeing it for the first time, and still absolutely love it. (Maybe even more :)