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The West Wing, Season 2, Episode 15 (Patreon)

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The West Wing, Season 2, Episode 15

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Mithroch

You can love all of your children the same and still have a favorite. I don't think those are mutually excusive.

Sunkrish Bala

"The only thing you ever had to do to make me happy was come home at the end of the day."

Joy M

There have been some growing pains here in CO surrounding legalization of marijuana. 1. Lots of break-ins at the dispensaries at the beginning. 2. People overdosing on edibles. 3. Pets eating edibles and getting sick or dying. 4. Kids accidentally eating edibles. 5. People with mental illness mixing edibles with meds: Two cases I can think of: a DU college student thinking he could fly off his balcony and a man who shot and killed his wife right in front of his kids. 6. The money issue, lots of people in the cannabis industry started buying homes with cash to find a way to invest the money since it couldn’t go into the banking system. They’d either flip the houses or rent them out. 7. Zoning. By state law, dispensaries can’t be close to schools and each municipality can decide if they want to allow dispensaries to open or not, so there are pockets of them and then areas where there are none at all. 8. Pot tourism. Lots of condo owners in the mountains were tired of renters stinking up their places and renters who came to ski with their kids hated that the places stunk. I too have never had pot, but I voted for legalization. People in my native Louisiana are always asking me if everyone here is high and how many dispensaries are in my neighborhood. I tell them that the same people are high, it’s just taxed now. It is still illegal to possess more than 1 oz. My area has no dispensaries, but I could drive to one in 10 mins. For a while when I would fly from Denver to NOLA or Atlanta, the luggage would take forever and they’d bring drug sniffing dogs around the baggage claim area to try and catch people. When it was first legalized Coloradans complained that they were getting stopped by cops in neighboring states because they had Colorado plates.

Jeff

My understanding of Sorkin's drug use is that he was charged with possession in the fourth season of "The West Wing", which was partly what led him to leave the show before the fifth season. And Joe, be a little careful watching those Sorkin videos, because there could be some major spoilers revealed. Many of the storylines throughout the show were based in part on events and people from the Clinton administration. Sam was loosely based on George Stephanopolis, Abbey Bartlett's character grew out of Hillary Clinton's role as First Lady, and the Surgeon General in this episode was based on controversies with Dr. Joycelyn Elders. I remember those days, and the controversies were even more frustratingly ridiculous than this episode, and would drag on for months. Clinton's press secretary, Dee Dee Myers -- embodied in the character of CJ Craig -- was a regular consultant on the show, so many of the behind-the-scenes storylines were not just the creations of Aaron Sorkin. There are familiar references to the Clinton administration, as well as the administrations of both Bushes and Reagan -- throughout the entire run of "The West Wing." If you're wondering how you missed the fact that Bartlett has three daughters, don't worry; I don't think it was made clear in previous episodes. He did mention in the first episode that he has a granddaughter, and clearly Zoey has no children, so we could deduce that he had at least one other child. I'm really looking forward to your reactions to the next seven episodes! Not to build up expectations too much, but I feel they have some of the most memorable moments of the entire series.

Imagine Nat

I love what Ellie brings to the show. I love to see how things that make Bartlet a powerhouse of a president can also make him a potentially problematic father. And though we didn't see Abbey and the MS 2nd term discussion, I like that this episode extended the tension of keeping promises to his family and living up to their vision of him versus the reality of politics.

Joy M

The actress playing Ellie also played Annette Benning’s sister in The American President.

Zachary Loeser

Sorkin was definitely using during the second season, and the reason I know that is because in the book of collected scripts of Seasons 3 and 4 he talks about getting arrested between the second and third season. That was in the summer of 2001, so something else happened soon after that which sort of took the spotlight off of him.

Pam Nail

Sorkin got busted near the end of the 2nd season (Wikipedia says April 2001, so they were probably still in production) and was court-ordered to do a "drug diversion program." He mentioned on The West Wing Weekly podcast that he got a lovely note of support from Carrie Fisher afterward telling him not to listen to the little voice that says he won't write as well without the drugs. Nina Siemaszko (who plays Ellie) was also in The American President as Annette Bening's sister. I think this is the first time we've heard that Bartlet has three daughters, but Liz was mentioned in the very first episode -- her daughter is the Bartlet granddaughter who's sent a Raggedy Ann doll with a knife stuck through its throat.

Brian Harris
>>110260521

For sure. My brother is my mom’s favorite and I’m my dad’s. None of us talk about that, but it’s true.

Luca Siracusa (Bob)

You know, sometimes we forget there is a man behind the president and that Bartlet is not just a politician, but a father too The whole dynamic between him and Ellie is deeply written and acted by Martin Sheen and Nina Siemaszko, you can feel the distance and the wall between them, but also how both try to show love to the other part This is another episode where a certain quote changes tone and meaning every time they say it: "My father won't fire the Surgeon General, he would never do that" is such a brilliant thing you carry along in the episode and gets slowly unpacked to its core every time you discover more of the dynamic And I love how he stands against not the Surgeon General, but the godmother of Ellie when she says he loves her less than Liz and Zoey. He is a man "with the heart the size of Texas" as Abbey said, and he feel nothing but love for all of them, all three. He may have a different relationship with Ellie and he may feel she belonged more to Abbey, but he loves her as much as her sisters Also, the episode gives a lot of information about Jed's past: he's been the king of every room since she was born or something, he surely had previous roles of high importance and it fits well with how good of a leader he is. They've built a character whose characterization that gets stronger and better every little inch they show us. Bartlet has no limits to its writing and you're witnessing every part of it: the jokes about medicine, that he knows she loves, talking and talking just to make her shush him Welcome to The West Wing: this is the best part

Roland

I had a crush on Nina Siemaszko ever since I saw her in an episode of Red Shoe Diaries. I saw her again in the grossly under-rated Airheads. She was delightful, but it never crossed my mind to see her as a dramatic actress. So it was awesome to witness her able to go toe-to-toe with Martin Sheen in a such a sensitive and subdued role. Per her wikipedia page she's done a bunch of other roles, but nothing in the past couple of years. Would be great to see her again.

Skinny_Obelix

Looking in, through the internet (so take it with a pinch of salt), the marijuana debate is an interesting one. It's fascinating how almost every discussion in the US is a binary one. There never seems room for nuance (well other than this channel). In the marijuana debate you have opponents thinking it's the devil's weed and supporters who act as if it's this magical plant that will cure everything. I'm just not sure if this is because of the de facto two party system causing society to have to take a strong stance or that the two party system is a reflection of the American culture. Here in Belgium we're have a country that's literally made for and held together by compromise. The legislative branch is designed in a way that absolute points of view are nearly impossible to push through (you need a 2/3 majority for most of the big issues). I have this idea that if you pooled the the US on just about any subject you'd U shaped curve on most subjects, while over here it's always bell shaped. And despite the US and Europe have a lot in common that feels like the biggest thing that makes us different. And either one has it's pros and cons. We definitely see the bell moving to the right in Europe, so at least in the US you have to that U shape to correct more easily, something that I'm worried for in Europe.

Weird Magic

I like waiting to post until most of you have because almost everyone is so well thought out and scribed that it really adds to the enjoyment of the show and of watching along with Joe & Kevin. So side note - thank you all! Originally airing on February 21, 2001, 'Ellie' is Episode 15 of Season 2 of The West Wing. It is the 37th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.2, placing it as the #17 ranked episode of this season and #23 out of all the episodes shown so far.

JVTrickypants

Mad respect on the Diabetes control, Kevin! Had it for many years and sadly did NOT take care of myself as well as I should and some bad things have come home to roost. Fortunately better off now and hoping to stay that way. Keep it up my man!!

Youtalkingtome
>>110261465

Yeah it's not perfect. A lot of that sounds like mental health issues. Of course you're gunna have people take advantage of it but I like to think that most sane human beings can recognize when enough is enough and treat it like anything else, like alcohol for example. Which even that can be abused and also can ruin lives.

Youtalkingtome
>>110262576

Thank you! Don't worry, as soon as a video gets "spoilery" I back out of it and wow, 4th season. That's pretty far along in the show.

Youtalkingtome
>>110264596

Yes, I love that there is conflict behind closed doors. What kind of toll does being The President of the United States have on your family? Just a brilliant show all around.

Youtalkingtome
>>110285252

By far the best part of the show is the character dynamics. I can't wrap my head around the fact that this is all coming from one mans imagination. They're all so unique and have such individual personalities and you care about each and every one of them!! God this show is so GOOD.

Youtalkingtome
>>110291387

Airheads is underrated. I watched it again before The Whale came out. We love Brendan Fraser over here. Yeah we would love to see her in more stuff as well! She crushed it.

Youtalkingtome
>>110332775

Yeah we kind of view it like alcohol. It can be nice to unwind and enjoyed responsibly but be careful. With anything of that nature. Be careful and make smart decisions.

Michele B.

I was a bookkeeper for a dispensary in las vegas the first couple of years it was legalized out here. The taxes received from the sales of marijuana that year were 4 times more than the entire state budget for that year. And if anyone has any idea what that money was used for, I would love to know.