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The West Wing, Season 2, Episode 16 (Patreon)

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2023-06-16 21:55:58
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Somebody's Going to Emergency, Somebody's Going to Jail

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The West Wing, Season 2, Episode 16

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jimmy2k4o .

I like to believe I pointed out the west wing Xmas Emmy coincidence. And I was careful not to mention who was up for season 3 Because if I said it was a certain character, you’d start playing detective. If it was say…….. Mary marsh or Danny and I told you you’d be trying to figure out how that could happen, what stories would bring them up. Etc If I’ve learned anything from my ex’s it’s that people A) consider stuff spoilers that I wouldn’t. B) telling them a clue either gives it away because my clues are obvious, or it creates a distraction because they’re trying to guess. Noel is my favorite Xmas episode because of the Josh ptsd thing, his therapist Stanley and the non linear story. Season 3 Xmas is my 2nd favorite Xmas special, I’ll explain why when it comes. Season 1 was great but i always thought the funeral for the homeless veteran seemed kinda cheap. Ofcourse he deserves it, no question about that. But the fact he got this special treatment because of the coal he randomly got from goodwill. It made me uncomfortable because of all the other vets out there who didn’t accidentally get Toby’s jacket, thus they are forgotten. We say we honour their sacrifice but where are the actions to back up these nice words. Saying you’re honoring someone by signing a sheet, dropping change in a collection bowl, offer them a week on your couch to turn their life around. doing nothing while they suffer and slapping a sticker on your car that says “support the troops” doesn’t put food in their belly, cloths on their back and finding a medical/mental disorder that went undiagnosed and resulted in them living in the streets, the same streets they protected. So many Iraq and afghan vets live on the streets in the uk, and kill themselves more than most other single groups in society.

Devon Cooper

Can’t wait to get home and watch this one. It is one of my favorites 👍🏻 love your reactions, look forward to it every week!

Weird Magic

Biggest thing they changed from Season 1 to Season 2 ---> no Mandy ;) Originally airing on February 28, 2001, 'Somebody's Going to Emergency, Somebody's Going to Jail' is Episode 16 of Season 2 of The West Wing. It is the 38th episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.6, placing it as the #11 ranked episode of this season and #12 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Weird Magic

It goes against every fiber of my being to not say this so I won't...... Lost is my personal favorite show of all time, if you haven't watched it all the way through, you should. West Wing is my 2nd favorite, but I can't imagine anything passing Lost so - yes, season 2 of Heroes was basically garbage but Lost was sooooooooo good all the way thru!!!!

Pam Nail

- The episode title makes me laugh, because no one goes to emergency and no one goes to jail. :P But that lyric (and the episode) is all about your life changing in an instant. Even the map plot relates to it a little. - There are some great lines in this episode, even grading on the West Wing curve. - "And a Wheat Thin the size of Lake Tahoe" always kills me, especially when Josh looks around after he says it, like "thanks, I'll be here all week." - Speaking of great lines, "I hate these people with the heat of a nova" is something I say regularly. - I like this episode, but it does feel like a lull in the season to me, mostly because we're on the heels of (IMO) the most incredible episodes of the series. Having said that, this was a great showcase for Rob Lowe. And I like that Donna got to do something outside her usual Josh bubble. - Love seeing Clark Gregg as the FBI Agent. Fandom has created a headcanon where Agent Casper eventually left the FBI and changed his name to Phil Coulson after being recruited to S.H.I.E.L.D.

Martin Nicholls

I sometimes just watch the Christmas episodes around Christmas. The map thing is absolute nonsense by the way, there's plenty of poor countries inflated by the map and plenty of wealthy countries deflated by them, and swapping from poor to wealthy within that context. Anybody would think globes didn't exist. The scene with Sam and Nacy is great - he looks suitably terrified of what has been put in front of him which is great but the whole scene is just really subtle and clever - but every time Anna Deavere Smith is on screen she always stands out, which amongst a cast like that is quite a thing. Btw the "book banning" thing is a fabrication of the minds of people with an ideology, nobody in their right mind things 8 year olds need to be taught how to give blowjobs or have anal sex or *most importantly* be taught not to tell their parents about sexual interactions they're having with third parties: that is a total breakdown in safeguarding - and that's what these books are doing. They're not "banned" and parents are free to avail themselves of them, and to give them to their children, if so inclined.

Joy M

I happened to stay at a hotel across the street from The World Bank in DC and it’s just a few blocks from the White House. I’ve only been twice, but you could tell I was the tourist at lunch one day. A motorcade, with the King and Queen of Spain, got stuck in the middle of an intersection when the lights changed. I was NOT about to go near these vehicles with secret service agents guarding them (with assault weapons). The locals had NO problem walking in between the cars, close to them, etc. Nothing was going to stop them from picking up a salad or sandwich during their lunch break. It’s such a regular occurrence there.

jimmy2k4o .
>>110893942

Yeah to equate heroes with lost is ludicrous. Lost is a masterpiece. Just because you lost interest going forward doesn’t mean it was bad, it means it was market to a general audience and not as survival I recommend “chronogically lost” A fan edit where every seen is Is chronologically placed I order. So you follow time as it passes natural than endless character flashback/forwards.

JVTrickypants

I have been waiting to share this from the podcast The West Wing Weekly regarding this episode. JOSH: We wrote to Aaron to ask him about the use of this song. HRISHI: Yeah, because this was such an unusual move- the song figures so prominently that it, you know, it starts the episode off and it has the title it seemed like something that would be worth asking Aaron about. So here’s what he said: “That’s an example of the half dozen or so times I’ve worked backwards. You need to write next week’s script and you don’t have any ideas because if you did they’d’ve been last week’s script. You go out driving in your car and turn on music because that’s sometimes worked for you in the past, you hear the Don Henley song which you’ve heard a hundred times before, but this time it puts you in a certain mood and you want to write something that has that mood. More specifically, you want to write something that earns that lyric as the title, you actually have a title before you have a story, but at least you have a title and that’s something. And something, when you’re writing, is always better than nothing.” I've done stand up for years now and newer comics ask me if I write jokes by sitting down with a blank page and I always think of that last line from Aaron because it's the best advice I've found. Keeping notes of random ideas/thoughts and then looking at those is definitely better than just that blank page. Not to mention, as they continued on the podcast: JOSH: What a great response. HRISHI: Even his e-mails, [laughing] I mean we’ve said it before, his e-mails are so good

JVTrickypants

Also on the podcast they joked about this song and others used in future episodes belong in a collection called Cool Sorkin Jams...which is a playlist on Spotify they actually created lol.

Gayle Dick

The excellent Sorkin movie The Trial of the Chicago 7 deals with the serious protests you were discussing (if you've not seen it)

Taylor

I love how your comments at the end of the episode about getting all the facts of an issue also relate to how Clark Gregg’s character is portrayed. He seems like such an antagonist in his scene, but then you learn the actual facts of the case, and he was right all along. And Anna Deavere Smith is phenomenal as Nancy McNally. I feel she doesn’t always get the recognition she deserves for this show because she kills it in every scene.

JVTrickypants
>>110895352

One of my favorite moments is when the cartographer says about equating size with power and Josh looks at CJ, who gives the "it's true nod."

Jeff

I love your ending comments, as usual. And I'm also continually impressed by how quickly you both catch on to what's going on during the episode, and the deeper meanings that may be lurking. I'm really excited to see your reactions to what happens in these remaining season 2 episodes; the writing and acting are some of the best of the series.

Skinny_Obelix

This little map sub plot has really gotten legs even though it never was supposed to. You'll now see a lot of people randomly commenting how the map is racist even though it's really not. I feel like that bit was written with some superficial research. Gerardus Mercator was a Flemish (now Belgium) cartographer, NOT GERMAN, and he drew this projection in 1569. Sure it's distorted, but that's just what happens when you put have to put a globe on paper. So you pick what's relevant. Since this was at the height of the age of exploration, you wanted a map that makes sense when you navigate. He made it so if you draw a line on map you can follow that direction on a compass. If the landmasses were the correct size and you plot a course in a single direction you'd end up with a curved line. The reason why north is on top is just a random choice, he just chose north to be on top. This is a map of my home city of Ghent from 1534, 25 miles from were Mercator lived https://i.imgur.com/QpAInFb.jpg This was the standard and here west happened to be on top of the map, we went from that to the map of the world we still use today in 30 years, which is really something. So when you start drawing a map you just start with where you live in the center, it wouldn't make sense otherwise. And since it's such a good map for navigation we still use it today. Any outrage that got attached to this is absurd.

Youtalkingtome
>>110893159

You were the one to tell us! I think our favorite Christmas episode is Noel. We loved the one in S1 but you raise some interesting points. Our troops in the states also have it very rough. We fully support the troops and while putting money in a jar doesn't fix the problem, we gladly do it. There needs to be a change from higher up.

Youtalkingtome
>>110897009

That's Sorkin for ya! Just an absolute genius and it makes sense! I've done some writing and if I need inspiration, I'll throw on some music. However, I am no Aaron Sorkin.

Youtalkingtome
>>110897581

She was fantastic, really a heartbreaking episode. There's plenty of those to go around but this one was deep.

Youtalkingtome
>>110912191

Okay, we had no idea about the map thing until the episode so maybe it is bogus. Regardless it is worth reading into!

Baeziii

You are gonna love the Season 4 Christmas episode "Holy Night", one of the best in the show in my opinion.

Luca Siracusa (Bob)

Sam has always been probably my least favorite character of the main ones, but this episode is so incredibly well written and acted by Rob Lowe Big Block of Cheese day is a thing they make fun a lot, but Donna says it: "It's really nice", they listen to people and try to change the world and help the ones who are unheard. Now, I don't know a lot about the cartography map, but it's so funny to see CJ and Josh reaction to the "other one" and it makes you think what society valued more than everything at the time, that was travel and not a representation of the continents I like the little bit about Jed's library because pokes him about reelection or not; both him and Leo are in a standoff and know that they'll have to talk about it, but not now Not now because the episode was about Sam, about his relationship with his father (That is a common thing around Sorkin's characters, Leo had an alcoholic one and he had affairs like he tells in this episode, Josh father died in the flashback and now this), every move he makes is to strengthen a relationship between a child and his dad, between the woman and the dying father or the dying man and his own dad. He goes even a little more than it was supposed to because he takes it personally and when another father loses his trust, he gets weaker and angrier I loved how Donna helped him, how he shouted "father" instead of "grandfather" because his mind was racing and how at the end he does the right thing. The first scene is beyond logic and probably one of my favorites TWW cold open ever: the song becomes an actual song they're listening in the radio and lulls you inside the White House reminding you that everything can change in a New York Minute (More like a Washington Minute, but you get the point) and it changed a lot, a very lot And it will continue to change

Youtalkingtome
>>111049901

Well said Luca, this definitely was a special episode and it's great that Sam got to have an episode of his own, so to speak. Donna is a very special character because she also just seems to work well with every character she interacts with.

Calina Crandall

I love that this is such a Sam centered episode. However, I also hate that the Mercater map point got buried by it. Everything the band of merry men said was true. The distortion and complete lack of actual fidelity in the Mercater map is appalling.

JVTrickypants

In my opinion, nobody is poo-pooing the writing of Season 5. It simply was an IMPOSSIBLE task to go from Sorkin writing every episode to having it run more like a "real" writers room style. John Wells was apparently great with the crew of writers and supported them fully, making edits as he thought were necessary (being a major writer himself). Yes, there ARE going to be some "wait, whaaat?" episodes that step out of TWW box we have known and loved - but that's only season 5. In my opinion, season 6 and 7 get right back up to the top of how an intelligently written, compassionate show about politics can be entertainment. (Please don't sic the NSA on me for the Biden....or Trump....depending on when this is read.....