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I Never Want to See Josh Again

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Crazy Ex-Girlfriend, Season 3, Episode 5

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Taylor

“I need help.” I’m so glad you acknowledged the importance of that line. To me, it’s the most meaningful moment in the whole series.

Krista Knight

Having been in the same mental state as Rebecca in the past, seeing the HELP sign change to HOPE makes me cry every time. 😭

Jamie D

For me, there are two rock bottoms: sleeping with Greg's dad is the cringe rock bottom, but then obviously the suicide attempt is the real rock bottom.

Anna Hicks

A mix of a personal story and a reflection of generational trauma: My mom rarely ever hugged me or said any nice things to me when I was a child. And whenever I did well in school, she would dismiss my success by saying things like "well, anyone can do well in school" and so on. Later in life, she confessed that she never received any physical or verbal signs of affection as a child, and felt awkward about doing that as an adult. My grandparents, on the other hand, grew up during an awful period of time in North-Eastern Europe, and literally spent their "honeymoon" in a wooden bunker. They were pretty much traumatized by the war times. So I think that many people whose ancestors have been victims of oppression or military attacks are still suffering from the consequences of the mental distress that their parents and grandparents had to go through.

Anna Hicks

Btw, do you know how long CXG will stay in Netflix in USA? I remember someone saying in Reddit that CXG will soon leave Netflix but I don't remember which country's Netflix view they were talking.

bluediners

Even though recovery isn't linear, I guess it can only go up from here. It's sad that she had to hit the lowest point to ask for help but we got there. The next episode is great

MS NANCEEPANTS

"Oh, us!" *sigh* (his name is Jim) Also, can we just celebrate the actor playing the flight attendant? She just knocked that merlot line right out of the park. 👏

DelGuy03

On the typical "5-year license" it would stay on Netflix until April 2024. Beyond that, I don't know any specifics.

DelGuy03

Great reaction, guys. This is one of the most difficult episodes to watch in the whole series. And it's true that while medicating someone without their consent is not right... still, almost any parent might do it as a stopgap, just to keep their kid alive another day. Both songs are 50s-60s styles this time, as you noted. "Maybe She's Not Such a Heinous Bitch After All" is pop of that period (ever-so-slightly flavored with R&B), performed in B&W as one might see it on American Bandstand. And "I Feel Like This Isn't About Me" is pure bossa nova, which I always have a soft spot for. Very nice guest-actor work -- not just Cornelia, but the swim-up bartender, and especially (as @MS NANCEEPANTS said) the flight attendant (who was primarily a writer for this series). Not just the merlot line, but her pleasantly professional-but-caring demeanor. A moment too, to contemplate the double meaning of the episode title, "I Never Want to See Josh Again." Yikes. Go back and look at the episode titles: After Season 1 being all excited (exclamation points!), and season 2 all questions, we are in the season of declarations. The titles end with periods, which isn't typical for titles.

DelGuy03

Oh, one fun little continuity detail: the bearded moving guy who told Nathaniel their motto was "Move On, Dude"? This is the character's third appearance in the show. He moved Rebecca into her very first home in West Covina in episode 1. And Paula had him move her yellow couch back in after she'd sold it (while everyone thought she'd flown off to Hawaii). We'll see him once more, in an unexpected context. Apparently Rachel Bloom knew the actor from drama school.

Maria Stoycheva

well, guys, welcome to rock bottom. none of us thought that we would end up here. spoiler alert: it's not all sunshine and roses from this point on. still, I hope you get your enjoyment back, even if it is a tiny bit more sober. it does continue being amazing and some of my favourite songs are still in the future ^^

Jamie D

Oh, also...be sure to pay attention to the songs in the next episode. The lyrics in these are especially profound, like an explosion of built up emotion.

DelGuy03

Very true. I would also suggest not looking for "song types" or "sources" in the next episode. These will be the closest the series gets to sincere expression in song with no parody element. (And the writers announced this before the episode aired, so this isn't a spoiler.)

Youtalkingtome

That is a really interesting perspective. It's like the Philip Larkin poem says, "They f**k you up, your mum and dad. They may not mean to, but they do."

Youtalkingtome

I love that this show is constantly giving cameos to writers and many other people behind the scenes. While it was a difficult watch and certainly difficult to talk about, it was still ultimately funny. This show can balance absolute darkness and irreverent humor like no other.

Rozenn Keribin

In terms of why Naomi didn't act like this before... I think that for all of what Audrey said we can still understand Naomi as a character who is going through her own evolution, and her relationship with Rebecca itself is evolving. At the time of Rebecca's first suicide attempt (which I imagine we can suppose happened around the same time as the Robert stuff did) a lot of things were different from now. Including: 1) Rebecca was much more under her control, only just getting into law school and still very much in the "make your path towards adulthood" phase. It's possible she was still living under Naomi's roof, and if not she'd only recently left it. Compare to now where Rebecca is not only a full adult living independently of her mother, but she has asserted that independence in many different ways since the show started. IIRC Naomi has herself accepted a certain amount of that independence. 2) We know that with the Robert situation she ended up in court; by the same token her suicide attempt was an actual attempt, not ideation, meaning it probably involved an emergency situation. Both those cases made it easy for Naomi to take the reins and presumably commit Rebecca involuntarily. Unlike this situation where she couldn't do that because Rebecca hadn't done anything to justify it. She herself said that her goal was to convince Rebecca to commit herself voluntarily. If so it makes sense that she'd need to act in ways she hadn't (thought she) needed to before 3) I think most critically, a major difference between this time's suicidal ideation and last time's suicide attempt is that this time, the last time happened. Naomi saw how her actions worked out then and how Rebecca is back in the same place now. I suppose we can also imagine she's spent a lot of those years low-or-high-key going over that event and trying to figure out what had gone wrong and what she could have done differently. Maybe her actions today are partly the result of that process.

Youtalkingtome

So we just watched the next episode today. Spoiler, Naomi isn't in the episode. I really liked your points about how she saw how it worked out last time, I wanna see how this affects her. Ultimately Naomi loves her daughter but doesn't know how to be a loving mother really. I really wanna see what Naomi's response is. How does she react as Rebecca's parent? Will she change? Does she feel guilty?

Luke Mattison

IMHO if any type of people can handle a little well-timed gallows humor it's those that have had a mental health journey.