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Mad Men, Season 5, Episode 10 (Patreon)

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Christmas Waltz

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Actuarial Lurker

Paul Kinsey is back. His spec episode for the original Star Trek is remarkably similar to the REAL episode with Frank Gorshin "Let This Be Your Last Battlefiled" where one race is black on one side of their face and white on the other and the other race is the opposite and they destroy their planet in a society-ending war- released in 1969 during its third season- so three years after this... so maybe he DID fine tune the script and it made it on air in the fictional Mad Men!...what does this forebode?

Actuarial Lurker

The "Christmas Waltz" is an allusion to a Bing Crosby song which is the "B-side" to a re-release on the A-side of "White Christmas"- is this ALSO a warning being the opposite side of a classic fairy tale Christmas? Remember that Don and Betty dance to Bing Crosby when Bobby is breaking yje stereo, the bed, plays with toys at the dinner table etc.

Actuarial Lurker

Now we get to the Lane money problem teased at the start of the season with the found wallet in the cab. Lane did not get any money from PPL buying 51% of Sterling Cooper since he worked for the acquirer PPL. He was fired for cause in the last episode of Season 3 when he severed the contracts of Bert, Roger, and Don so lost any payments from McCann buying PPL, and he had to sell assets to come up with the $50K to keep SCDP alive (when Don donated the money to Pete when Trudy forbade him to take out a loan). So Lane owes the UK back taxes on the capital gains from selling his assets to come up with the cash....and has not been making much money since the loss of Lucky Strike made the fire half the staff and not pay the execs bonuses in 1964 or 1965

Actuarial Lurker

Joan actually gets served by her sex assaulting no-good Greg....and Megan thinks Don is cheating when he is just being supportive of Joan at the Jaguar dealership and then the bar...so now we get the view of single Motherhood from a powerful woman to compare against Helen Bishop and Betty who quickly remarry to "fix" their lives, Will Joan??

Actuarial Lurker

That was an ACTUAL 1966 avant-garde off-Broadway play "America Hurrah" mocking consumerism that Megan takes Don to= so NOT very subtle...

Actuarial Lurker

Lane is too prideful with stereo-typical British reserve to ask for help....

Chris
>>128494447

Such a terrible Star Trek episode— it has to be Paul’s work!

Youtalkingtome
>>128495193

Dang, I never considered the fallout from season 3 regarding Lane. I hope this ends well for his character.

Actuarial Lurker
>>128504502

Yes- it was released in November 1966 and Don and Megan "in universe" see it between Thanksgiving and Christmas a few weeks after its release. It was directed by Jacques Levy and won the "Drama Desk Award" and "Outer Critics Circle Award" and Levy would later direct the award winning and infamous nude "Oh Calcutta!"

Actuarial Lurker
>>128504541

If Don was willing to drop $6000+ on a new Jaguar just to cheer Joan up, imagine if Lane had simply asked Don for an $8000 loan given that he knew that Don had outright paid Pete's $50,000 partner contribution to keep SCDP alive when Lucky Strike left near the end of Season 4

tom

What an episode. The Lane and Harry/Paul stuff is obviously great, but as they get a lot of focus and were discussed heavily I figured I'd talk about my personal favorite part of the episode which is everything with Joan. Like with Roger and Jane's dinner in a previous episode, I love how mundane the inciting incident is for this great character study: Joan finds out that her husband she broke up with is initiating a divorce before her. It's sort of a microcosm of the show as a whole, this long continuum of realistic human movements interwoven with really layered themes and subtext. And we get "Surprise, there's an airplane here to see you!" which in my opinion is one of those jarringly comedic moments that honestly rivals the lawnmower scene in Season 3. Then there's the Don and Joan scenes. It's very endearing the way he takes care of Joan, and their dynamic as a whole is interesting. I agree with you that it's very platonic, but unlike Peggy and Anna, who Don has much a much deeper connection to, we don't really see he and Joan talk all that much. They just don't have much of a relationship. So I find these small scenes of them reminiscing and seeing how they click really fascinating. Joan makes a comment of how they shouldn't be seen together, and that combined with Mad Men's theme of the disparity between how things are viewed from outside and the internal reality had me thinking. Don and Joan are like the models of success for their sexes, both oozing peak masculine and feminine attractiveness respectively and always sought after. They've worked at the company for a while, and they both land attractive spouses that earn the admiration of many, again another mark of success. To an outsider, they'd make a perfect couple. But they're so similar, and Joan is so intelligent (and importantly, cynical) that nothing could ever happen. As for if there's any attraction there, they're both very good-looking (and heterosexual) so I'm torn on if there's something from Don, at least. He's practically beaming in some shots, but he's also drunk and he just seems happy to be there with her. Maybe he was just happy to have an excuse to get out of the office. Still, his expression in the second scene in the bar reminds me of when he's talking to Anna about Betty. It's weirdly innocent. I think he feels very safe with Joan and like he doesn't need to put up as many barriers as he does with other people. Them just talking about divorces is one of the most captivating dialogues in the whole show to me, and I always look forward to this scene when going through Season 5. I've watched the youtube clip a few times. And then they talk about cheating: "The only sin she's committed is being familiar" is a banger, and I love the way it kind of gets under Don's skin at the end. Foreshadowing, or the wake-up call he needed? And Joan getting the flowers at the end -- while giving Roger the cold shoulder (and I think she's 100% right about the money, if you give Roger an inch he'll take a mile) -- is the cherry on top. Very touching episode for a pair of characters we don't often see.

Actuarial Lurker
>>128494447

Frank Gorshin was of course the Riddler from the campy 1960s TV version of Batman with Adam West. But this episode of Star Trek was a very heavy-handed and melodramatic treatment of race where Spock asks Gorshin's character why the planet's two races hate each other since they are both half black and half white and the alien responds because his enemy's face colors are the wrong way- and Spock says it is illogical. This was Roddenberry obviously reacting to the aftermath of the MLK Jr and RFK murders in 1968 and ensuing race riots

Robert Bauman

The Paul/Hare Krishna storyline is a nice reminder of the counterculture's growing presence and the dark tumultuous late 60's that are coming. The show has always had its dark moments but it feels like the vibe is more noticeable in this season.

Robert Bauman

Don and Joan's conversation is pretty fascinating. Although Don is a little older, they both are from the generation that came up in the 50's and is starting to fade (listening to Sinatra instead of the popular music of the time seems on brand for them). At this point, they've worked together for over a decade through many iterations of Sterling Cooper, so I do think there is a connection they share, but it seems they know better than to actually get involved with each other.

Liam Drage

"he's nice to everyone, except his own wife" lol too good

John Vaclev

Paul was a pretentious schmuck in the first few seasons, but I think there was one throwaway line that explained a lot. Back in season 3, when he brought in his friend from Princeton into the office to buy weed, the guy outed him for having a "Joisey" accent his freshman year...and it clearly struck a nerve with him. Made me rethink the character. Sure he's "privileged" in comparison to a woman like Peggy or his girlfriend from Newark. But he was less a delusional rich kid, than somebody who never really fit in anywhere. This episode really hammered home that for all his bullshit, he was desperate for a sense of belonging and human connection that he never had. Of course, in typical Mad Men fashion, we also get a reminder that he's still a talentless boob lol

Weird Magic

Originally airing on May 20, 2012, 'Christmas Waltz' is Episode 10 of Season 5 of Mad Men. It is the 62nd episode overall and has an IMDB rating of 8.2, placing it as the #10 ranked episode of this season and #34 out of all the episodes shown so far.

Youtalkingtome
>>128631069

Very well said I've always really liked their dynamic with one another. I like that Don isn't just sleeping with every woman he comes into contact with. There are a lot, but with certain women he can feel safe and honestly show his true self. If that makes any sense.

Gona Zoles

Is it just on my end or are others experiencing freezing video? Throughout the recording, the audio and video keeps freezing for a second or two every now and then, which makes timing my own copy to yours very frustrating. I basically have to keep my finger on the pause button. However this problem isn't always present, which makes me question the fact that it would be just me.

Hawaiian Shirt Funeral

I've always loved that Don and Joan's relationship was kept strictly platonic. They seem like grizzled veterans of opposite sides of the same game, and as a result have a unique understanding of each other.

heheheheheh

Two thoughts: Notice how easily Don writes out a check for 6000 dollars? The scene serves two purposes: to show how much money 6000 (or 8000) dollars was at the time - you could buy a luxury car! And how little of it Lane has. Another contrast: Betty would have NEVER (for most of their marriage anyways) dared to confront Don for being late like that, let alone to force him to sit down and have dinner.

Gona Zoles
>>128901237

Switching from Chrome to Firefox seems to have fixed the problem, so it was on my end after all!