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Forest creatures! So as I've talked about before, Patreon is sunsetting my per-creation billing model and will be moving you guys to the subscription plan by November of this year. I talk about it at length in this post from last year, and I reached out to you to get your opinions and vote in a poll that I thought would help me gauge how you're feeling about your membership and what kinds of changes you would still be happy with. (Also thank you all for the stunning response rate because it's helped me so much!!)

I've taken very much this whole time to think about options that I hope would still make this fun and worth it, and I wanted to follow up on that post.

My focus is on two things: Retaining you guys/still making it worth your money, and mitigating a potentially ~50% loss of income going from per-post to a flat rate. One of the main categories I'm focused on were those who said they could not do more than the $4/mo (1 post/mo). I don't want to lose you so I'm extremely aggressively avoiding taking away that option. I want to keep sharing my art with you, you've been good to me, and many of you have been with me since the beginning and I don't want to ruin that by pricing you out.

The other part of this is the majority of you have chosen to financially support me for more than one post, with the most common cap being 2 posts/mo, and I'm incredibly, incredibly grateful for you. You've made a lot of basic things possible for me that I've never been able to have before. All my members are important to me and I want to keep all of you while giving you the freedom to keep paying how you see is fair.

My personal limitation is time and energy. I'm maintaining a doable work/life balance at this pace, and increasing the number of pieces I complete a month would completely consume the rest of my time and burn me out real fast. I have to be so real with you, it would be completely unsustainable.

✨ The way I ran my patreon for the first several months was 1 art post/month, so basically everyone was paying a flat $4/mo. During this period was when the majority of you joined actually. I want to gauge how you feel about it now that we've been here a while.

Once we switch off per-post and go to a flat monthly rate, how do you feel about the $4 tier returning to 1 finished piece/month with some additions?

Proposed benefits:

🍀$4/month flat rate

Access to the first uncensored art of the month plus tier backlog

more frequent works-in-progress

lore dumps/text posts

🍀$8/month flat rate (this is what the majority of you are doing, it would just now become one lump $8 payment instead of two $4 payments, so nothing changes for you in bill and you keep all current benefits with some extras)

Access to all uncensored art

timelapse/process videos

more frequent works-in-progress

lore dumps/text posts

IMPORTANT: During the changeover from per-creation to subscription billing, Patreon will honor your monthly paid post maximum you set. So, if you cap at $4 before we switch over and I make the former $4 Everything Tier into the new $8 Everything Tier, you'll still only be paying $4/mo to get the full $8 tier benefits! The catch is if you cancel or switch tiers you can't get that special rate back. This is only available to those of you who join a tier before the migration date (which will be later this year, not now. I will give you PLENTY of notice).

I wanted to involve you in the process to make sure I'm headed in the right direction. This has brought me so much joy as a new career and although Patreon has thrown a ridiculous monkey wrench into things, I'm sure we can work something out.

✨ I want your feedback!

I need your honest opinion and/or suggestions, so leave a comment below or private message me! You can't hurt my feelings in any way, I'm just looking to try to make the best plan here. Like, if these changes would have you strongly reconsidering your subscription, I want to know. It's important that I know where the issues are and how widespread it is.

THANK YOU!! 💜💜💜

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Thorn K.

I'm one of the "constantly strapped for cash" folks, and I'd be totally fine with 1 piece a month! Your art is lovely and I am always happy to support how I can!

Midnight Darkness

If this were to switch to the flat rate, I know myself personally I wouldn’t keep having issues with patreon. There are times I try to reup my subscription with you at the current $4/1 rate and patron would take my money but not unlock your posts unless I COMPLETELY canceled my subscription and then redid it that way (and even then sometimes it wouldn’t take :/ ) So if you DO go to the flat rate, I know it would help me continue to support you ❤️

emry_stars

Idk if I’m very helpful on this topic but I’ll chime in and say I’m still here to give u $8+ for all your hard work 💕🙏 I hope the switch is as easy as possible!

kaumahapoloka

Personally, I’m fine with doing the $8/mo to support you! My only question is that is there going to be an option that the “subscription” is taken all in one go? Like once a month? Or will it have to be two separate payments per month?

averageghost

I think this is a pretty fair to both tier ranks. I'm in the $8 tier and plan to stay that way.

myhoneybeeheart

I'm happy to do the flat rate route since, like Midnight Darkness, Patreon sometimes gives me issues unless I cancel and go back.

Zandra

I'll probably drop down to the $4/mo flat rate, but I'm okay with that! 1 post a month & maybe some extras is a great deal

Robin Lee

If you go to the tiers you suggested I'm absolutely be joining the highest one. I don't want to see you burn out. I absolutely adore your art and style

tendermiasma

it would be one single $8 payment, paid on your personal join date every month! And thank you for your support!

tendermiasma

oooh this is good to know, I'm so sorry you're having these issues!! I want you to get all your benefits. Never hesitate to message me if that happens, I'll get them to you!

tendermiasma

I appreciate you so much. I'm glad this is a good option for you 💜

tendermiasma

I'm sorry you've also been having trouble! The problem is Patreon has tried to kill per-creation billing in the past so they've been making it less and less functional over time, excluding it from new features, etc. and now Apple is giving them a silver lining of finally being able to end it. Please message me if you ever have issues accessing work you've been billed for!

tendermiasma

Thank you so much for the feedback AND for your support!!

livetoariel

$4/mo is perfect for the currency exchange

tendermiasma

You are extremely helpful, I need candid feedback! Thank you so much for your support too 💜

EntoGutz

I don't mind paying $4 or $8 I really love your work and I'm happy to support no matter the price tag

Amanda

I think you’re bending over backwards for us tbh. I am in the camp of still being unable to afford the higher tier (atm at least), but would love to at some point down the line! You are more than generous with what you provide us with and, while I understand your need to retain patrons, I also hope that the compensation is equitable for you given everything you create. 💕

Rebel Roe

Im very willing to pay $4-$8 for your art, to me this is a subscription I do not see canceling anytime I really enjoy your work and want to continue to see it.

VirgoPixie

I'm in the $8 tier already and afaik I'm only charged monthly. I am more than happy to stay at that amount!!! Thank you for being so considerate and you're not asking too much of us at all. 💜🫶🏻

Jenn Hanley

I'm fine being at $8/mo. I think that's what I'm doing now basically. But I think having two options is good. Most creators on here have more than one tier and that makes sense.

TheAnxiousPan

I really like the idea you've proposed; it truely feels like a good compromise. I personally will be keeping my $8/month subscription just cause I'm a slut for your artwork 🥰

tendermiasma

You're very kind and I also see these convos as an important part of the billing migration. I'm motivated not only by just wanting to share my art with you guys but this is also a decision that will impact my finances, and it can go very right or very wrong depending on how complete my picture is of how members are feeling. Missing info is not ideal. So it does help, and thank you so much 💜

Nyxie-Cup

I’m already paying 8$ so I’m totally fine sticking to 8$/month!! Everyone I see on Patreon has tiers like that so that all makes a ton of sense to me 🤷🏼 You’re the most worth it artist I’ve come across, 8$ is probably undercharging your worth so I’m taking advantage while I can!

moon liites

I can't speak for all, but with this change I'll be happy to sub to the $8 a month for sure!

lavahna

$8 once a month works for me; whatever is best for you! And I always make sure to view/interact with your patreon on my desktop...nothing to do with a bigger screen...I swear.

Siyana Ivanova

Currency exchange is unforgiving. If the 4 usd option remains open, i'd be grateful.

Ira_zee

I will be going with the 8$ a month, absolutely! I think that is more than fair for everything you share with us!

L. Z.

This seems very reasonable! Glad to pay the $8 personally, but the benefit spread looks very fair

Kate M

I am at the $8 tier and happily will remain so because I am FERAL for your artwork. I get giddy with anticipation when I get an update notification 🥰 If you decide to add higher tiers at some point I’ll be excited to change my membership UP! Supporting artists is incredibly important to me and I’m grateful Patreon exists for this.

Ren

I will pay for your $8 tier no problem! and I would continue to pay $8 if it was only 2 works per month and no other bonus content

tendermiasma

100%, this is my goal. I feel you on the currency exchange and all my love for your support!

Morgan Aleghieri

I think that sounds reasonable to me :) you gotta be able to pay rent *nodnod*

Hippo Happenstance

Would it be useful to add a few more tiers for those who want to and can do more? Instead of just two? I'm not sure how frustrating that is on your end of things.

KaeRaeSketches

I love your art and will happily pay the $8 tier for access to everything you post! ☺️

Nobody At All

This sounds fair to me. Do I understand correctly that the 4 usd tier will eventually see the other NSFW post they initially miss, too?

tendermiasma

$4 tier members would only have access to the backlog of art originally released to that tier. Because I can't exactly offer more art to the $8 tier and I don't want to cut the $4, this is my current thought for making a distinction in benefits. Would love to know if this is something you'd still be interested in or if it changes your opinion!

Maple Syrup

already on 8 dollar a month and will keep it that way! appreciate all the transparency and discussion, and definitely want you to be able to pay rent without burning out!!

Nobody At All

Oh. 🙁 I understand the reasoning, of course, but I would feel left out if I could only see half of a series, and I would probably unsubscribe. At the moment money is tight and the 8 usd tier is too much for me.

tendermiasma

I understand, thanks for sharing your opinion 💜

Marki Writes

I'll happily pay $8 and those tier rewards are more than fair. You're doing great, don't worry. I echo someone else on here that said you should consider 1 higher tier with no extras, just in case people want to support you for more. $10 for instance. People like giving money to their favorite artists when they can. c:

rits

Sounds fine by me. If i do unsubscribe, it will be for the fact we are lowkey in a recession, not for the terms you set.

Haemi Hong

I’m happy to upgrade to $8 a month to keep access to all the art and process videos. Does the transition happen automatically or would I have to resubscribe? And if I have to resubscribe is it better for you if I do it on desktop and not through the App Store?

tendermiasma

The billing change is automatic! I'd make a completely new tier for $4 members to hop into, but in your case, you wouldn't have to do anything since I'll be turning the old $4 tier into $8 directly. And PLEASE avoid the iOS app for resubscribing! It's 43% more expensive for you, none of the extra fee goes to me, and also Apple withholds that subscription money from me for 75 days so.. haha yeah. Please sub via mobile browser or desktop!

AnnaLouise

I'm currently on the 4$ tier but with an 8$ cap so I would be happy to pay 8$ flat rate for the month. As I understand this is the tier you will change to be the 8$ tier and make a 'new' 4$ tier. so I don't have to do anything right? Just want to make sure I'm supporting you the way I mean to. Your work is just so moving I'm happy to have you go at a pace that keeps it enjoyable and doesn't cause you burnout.

Emily Buckler

As an absolute gremlin for your art and being in a lucky position I am more than happy to keep paying the max you set. The tiers seem perfectly reasonable to me!

Tia Solita

I honestly think that $8/ month is a steal for what we're getting in return. You're one of my favorite creators on patron❤️

Tia Solita

Oh, and I also agree with some of the others to make one higher tier with no extra benefits for artist support

Penguin

Same. I support several artists on this platform that do one tier where they release new work to the bottom tier once it becomes “archived” or no longer new due to a new release. I may not get to see it as soon as the upper tiers, but keeping at the lower price helps me to support multiple artists I like at the same time. I totally get that you have to do what’s best for your platform, but I’d probably unsubscribe as well.

JessARTS

All that sounds really fair to me! And also agree that you should include an extra tier just for added artist support.

Lore

I'm at the $8/mo tier and will happily keep it! Some comments have mentioned a higher tier with no additional benefits but for artist support and I'd like to amplify that! I'd be happy to pay a bit extra so you can continue to have a work/life balance.

tendermiasma

I hear you and I'm still thinking things over!

Eirik Kunz

I'm also an $8 cap, and don't plan on dropping down. I would like to echo the suggestion of a few others though, that you should add higher tiers for additional artist support. No additional benefits are needed (some folks do patron requests/interest polls at higher tiers, but I don't think it's necessary), but it would allow those of us who want/are able to support you more to do so.

Puugu

I would also honestly pay a bit more just to help offset

Puugu

- I would totally continue at $8 tier. In fact, I'd love to know if there is a way to "opt out" of being grandfathered in at the old $4 price - I super appreciate the transparency and am sorry you're having to navigate this 💜 - Thinking of the smaller tiers, if you were doing a series, would you stretch it out so they can get the whole story? And the 2nd piece would be a diff comic / one shot, etc? - If not the above, maybe have a way for the smaller tier to get older content ( 6month delay or smtn? ) - Your art and storytelling is amazing. Keep doing you

Ursula Mogensen

I'd continue at the $8 tier! I love your work so much.

tendermiasma

Thanks for such detail! I'm definitely taking these things into consideration i.e. series work. You won't be automatically placed in the $4 tier as I'll just turn this old $4 tier into the new $8.

tendermiasma

You don't have to do anything! I wanted to automate the process for the majority of my members as much as possible so I'll just be turning the current $4 tier into the new $8. Thank you so much 💜

Lian

I'm okay with the 8$ option :) Although the dollar has been rising in price, I hope it won't get too expensive in the future

Hippo Happenstance

I really like seeing all parts of a series. I definitely wouldn't mind waiting longer to see those uncensored parts. I can't move tier up, but I also don't plan to unsubscribe (even if I'd be sad) unless my financial situation suddenly crashes.

SkyJynx

I'm currently in the camp that couldn't afford to increase my sub(though if my financial situation changed I would be happy to!) but I am also defines invested in seeing the full series. I'd have no issue taking longer to see them while the higher tiers might get to see the conclusion faster, that seems perfectly fair to me! I don't want to say I would unsubscribe if I couldn't eventually see the full series, because supporting an artist I admire is important to me regardless of reward, but it would definitely make me sad to only see 1 portion of what's going on!

tendermiasma

You and others asking for higher tier options are incredibly kind 💜 I was focusing on the two main tiers right now for clarity's sake but I will definitely continue to offer higher generosity tiers :) My time and energy is really pretty much limited to offering the benefits I've proposed so I would make it clear it really would just be for that.

tendermiasma

goodness I'm lucky to have such a nice group of people

tendermiasma

you're an angel and I understand wanting to keep up with the full series! If you haven't read up, I have a poll on my latest post that deals with this that I hope you'll vote in to give me a better idea

tendermiasma

I'm so honored!! Thank you for telling me this!

tendermiasma

I'm happy you appreciate the discussion too! It's a big change for me after careful work to set this business up and it's been easy to get too in my head about it. Thanks for making this easier!

tendermiasma

Not at all! I'm lucky I have such generous members ;; I was keeping today's discussion to the two main tiers just for clarity's sake but I will also have some higher tiers just for those who wish to give more support! Thank you so much 💜

tendermiasma

💜 I'm grateful you appreciate the time and effort that goes into art! You all are fantastic

tendermiasma

Nothing to do with halsin's ***** in 4k (also thank you!!)

tendermiasma

And thank you for participating! This all is much easier for me when you all are as responsive as you are. Knowledge is power yall

tendermiasma

I'm so glad! I hope both tiers will give you nice options when we get them ironed out!

tendermiasma

I'm so glad, thank you!! I hope both tiers will give you some nice options!

tendermiasma

I'm glad to hear! I know the exchange rate isn't always nice so I appreciate the support a lot 💜

VirgoPixie

Yesssss!! Reminds me of the schoolhouse rock episodes about voting. 😭 Kinda corny but such an important message!

SkyJynx

Oh I should have mentioned I did vote before coming here to comment! I just wanted to also mention that I do still intend to stick around no matter what!

bekilybi

I'd be happy to stay at $8! I'm sorry Patreon is making things hard for you and other artists!

tendermiasma

You are so kind 💜 It'll be okay, but that's why we're doing this now!