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Last week PMG traveled up to Edinburgh once again to be there in-person as Rockstar and its fired union members appeared in court for the very first time.As you'll hear in the video, this was a preliminary hearing rather than the full thing and was largely about deciding whether or not these fired workers were eligible for "interim relief", which would have meant that Rockstar needed to continue to pay their salaries as they awaited the final hearing.You may have already seen the news that the judge did not grant this relief, but honestly, there was so much more to the hearing than just the ruling itself.As you'll see, we were able to access a hard copy of the evidence bundles submitted by both sides (nearly 2000 pages in total) and what we found there deserves to be heard.We were able to read through so many of the Discord messages submitted by Rockstar as proof of their former employees' gross misconduct, including one example where a fired union member appears to have been dismissed for a single, fifteen-word post in which he points out that the QA team he's a part of isn't crunching.I say this at the end of the video, but we simply couldn't be reporting this Rockstar case in this way without the support of our patrons. So if this one mattered to you, please know that you're the reason we were able to follow this story in the first place.

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Rockstar vs. Union: We Went to Court and Saw the Evidence

Rockstar Games and the union members it fired last year have just made their arguments in Scottish court for the very first time. This wasn't the full hearing, but it still represented an incredibly important moment for both sides, with the possibility of "interim relief" being granted by the judge. For many of the affected workers this represented a life-changing decision and we were there as it happened. Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/PeopleMakeGames Created by Chris Bratt: https://bsky.app/profile/chrisbratt.bsky.social And Anni Sayers, who's not on social media. Music & SFX: Epidemic Sound 00:00 - Rockstar and its fired union members are going to court 03:53 - Day One: The union makes it case 12:50 - Day Two: Rockstar defends itself 19:22 - We go to see the evidence for ourselves 27:04 - Catching up with the fired workers after the hearing 34:52 - The ruling for Interim Relief is announced 37:51 - Outro

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John Frazer

Thank you for continuing to report on this story.

muku

Just one small nitpick: the thumbnail felt a bit generic, so the video flew under my radar. I didn’t realize there was an update to the case until I logged into Patreon. Maybe making the logo bigger or changing the image could help.

Michael Chui (Duiker)

Something that I think would have been valuable is someone like Lord Hendy or an expert familiar with general trends discussing how reasonable this outcome was. For a lot of people, any ruling that doesn't favor the union is going to be demoralizing, and their first instinct will be to condemn the judge for failing to side with our opinion (which you see in abundance in the comments). I was certainly disheartened until I noticed a Youtube comment noting that interim relief is almost never granted, and following up on a half-minute of googling confirms the sentiment. So, like, it sucks for the fired employees who are in the UK on visa, but it isn't abnormal.

People Make Games

I think you make a really good point here Michael, thanks so much for your comment. We may be returning to this story again in the coming weeks and if so, we'll make some room to return to this point in our next update.

Jon Orr

Excellent reporting, thanks team! I think, as has already been mentioned by Michael Chui; interim relief is a very hard thing to get granted. It's essentially the judge saying, without looking at everything and hearing very limited arguments from both sides, "yeah there's no way the claimants are not going to win this". Language has a particular meaning in the legal profession, and "likely" is a high bar to clear. There's also something else to note, claims of unfair dismissal and wrongful dismissal are different. Unfair dismissal is...well as it sounds, if you win that claim then the court is saying "this is unfair and shouldn't have happened". Wrongful dismissal is a claim that the respondants did not follow procedure while dismissing. If a claimant succeeds in a wrongful dismissal claim but not an unfair dismissal claim then the respondant can make what's known as a Polkey argument. This comes from the case Polkey v AE Dayton Services Ltd [1987] and means the award (the money awarded to the claimant if they succeed) can be reduced by up to 100% if the tribunal finds that had the correct procedures been followed the outcome would have been dismissal anyway. Im not a lawyer, but I did used to work for a Legal Expenses Insurer and have dealt with employment cases both on claimant and respondant side. Preliminary hearings are not always held, and are often to hammer out exactly what the final hearing will be looking at, how long it's likely to take, and deal with any preliminary issues (such as interim relief). This case is far from over, and even if the claimants lose the final hearing there's the potential of the Employment Appeals Tribunal, should Lord Hendy KC deem it to have reasonable prospects of success. I have everything crossed that the claimants are able to live comfortably between now and the final hearing, and are ultimately successful. Again thanks for putting in so much effort into this reporting! Edited for grammar.

platinumcoated

Is there a fund or something where I could help these guys financially? might they need it

Brendan M

Execellent reporting. It takes a lot of hard work, time and expenses to cover things like this. Any way we can support the people fighting this in the mean time?