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Mad Men 1x11 Reaction (Patreon)

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2025-07-18 22:56:30
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2025-09-01 23:49:56
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Damien Fenton

That death was so incredibly sad especially considering how happy he was a few episodes ago when he thought Don was visiting him to rekindle some kind of brotherhood.

Kenzo Yamashita

just when I was about to eat I get the notification... I'm blessed 🙏

Kara

when it lines up like this its heaven, i went to cook and literally finished to this notif

Kendall Roy 🇧🇷

Dinner time!! I watched the full reaction and wanted to say that I absolutely love the dynamic between Don and Peggy, together and individually they are my two favorite characters on the show. I'm glad you guys have already seen the potential in their relationship!!

Kara

Dan Draper is my fav character in Mad Man (/s ❤️❤️)

Damien Fenton

Ha, that's the second time I've accidentally typed Dan.

Erik D

I guess I never realized how harsh Ken Cosgrove is in season one.

Kara

but but but he said "good job pegs" 🥺 (yeah he's a prick, same as the rest of the young guys)

Mike

Love the added nuance to Pete & Peggy's relationship here. All of a sudden, Pete realizes that Peggy isn't just the new girl at the office. Now Don is kind of taking her under his wing -- a role that he might have thought was his, in his own self-centred Pete way, after his conversation with Roger at the start of the season. I think that recontextualizes the flashes of resentment that Pete's been showing towards Peggy all season. I don't know if he even understands the cause-and-effect at play, but Peggy's run of success at the office has basically blown up the idea of her (and the power dynamics between them) that he fell for. "Uh, Freddy's wife... does not look like Mitch's." Thanks Harry. (So, so excited for these next two episodes.)

Taya

@Kara, I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking that was a sweet moment lol. Bar is on the floor but still, it's kinda cute how he attempts to be (imo, earnestly) chummy with her.

Darrach

Might be worth turning off auto-play on Netflix, so the ending songs aren’t always cutting off into the next episodes intro

Mike

They should 100% do this. The music choices in the credits are not incidental!!

JojoPotato

Such awkward attempts to include her in the conversation. Freddy’s “Mitch’s wife is very attractive” and Harry’s comment… I agree that Ken’s shoulder tap and sincere compliment were kind of sweet.

JojoPotato

Freddy’s “code word” — refreshing — is hilarious.

JBK405

Roger Sterling's SECOND heart attack after a lunch of drinking and eating is yet another blow against people claiming that this show endorses the hedonism we see in the office. I find Peggy's date in this episode to be painful to see. Because there is nothing wrong with ambition or pride or a desire to change yourself or your station. But none of those things require feeling shame or condescension or contempt for where you came from. And it's fine that Peggy wants more, but she doesn't need to look down her nose at people who don't. And she doesn't need to look down at HERSELF. Don's definitely Peggy's mentor, but don't overlook that Freddy Rumson is the one who first suggested bringing Peggy back into the room. He saw her potential from the beginning.

Kara

I can confirm that the majority of writers (9 out of 12) of Mad Men were women, as confirmed by show's creator Matthew Weiner. Mad Men used a writers room setup, so everyone is in a room together discussing the season and episodes, contributing to everything. Then one credited writer pulls it together into a script, so even episodes with male credited writer will have the (majority) women writers in the room contributing ideas, dialog, themes, plot etc. That's why diverse rooms are important btw, having even 1 person in a room can shape every single episode. "I used to think you couldn't put a value on a human life, but I never asked Bert Cooper did I?" This ep is the second time Bert Cooper has brought up Ayn Rand. Ayn Rand was a (woman) author, she wrote Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead and is the creator of "Objectivism", a political philosophy that is like libertarianism on steroids. Ayn Rand's Objectivism says that selfishness is the highest moral purpose, that strong individuals should do anything to make themselves happy within capitalist systems and 'reason' is the only thing that matters, not faith, not cooperation or collectivism (no god, no kings, only man). Her work inspired settings like Bioshock (Andrew Ryan = Ayn Rand etc). Bert Cooper loves Ayn Rand and her flavor of completely untethered free market capitalism. He sees Don like one of her characters, a strong handsome smart powerful (white) man who selfishly climbs the capitalism system. Basically, Bert Cooper is like the mega end boss of Capitalism, and that benefits Don here as Bert happily makes him partner to benefit the business by reassuring clients that Don isnt going anywhere like Roger. "Carlton would break my arm" worth noting that we while we see Don be a terrible husband, we've never seen him be physically abusive to Betty or the kids at all so far. This shouldn't be surprising but sadly is for the setting, where many men viewed wives and children as property they could punish or simply abuse because they were angry or felt like it, with very little recourse for victims 😔 I also love the interactions with Don and Peggy these episodes! Don is a strange fish. We see him cheat with multiple women but he never mocks women like Peggy in the office. He treats Peggy (almost) "like a man", giving her straight up advice. He's almost chivalrous, which makes it almost surprising when he fucks Rachel or Midge (artist) then goes home to Betty. Definitely fascinating though, you really wanna know more.

Kara

I really struggled to take the complaints about glorification seriously because of stuff like this, [later stuff] and the fact they KNOW cigarettes are bad and addictive and are fighting to try to slow down regulation like "warning labels on the package" (that we know succeeds). a core plot is the characters trying to make cancer-causing smoking cool + glorious! haha I basically agree but in a small peggy defence, she's like 20yo and only just learning a world exists outside of the little Brooklyn catholic community she grew up in. it's like she just learned a cool secret and is desperate to tell everyone so they can get in on the cool secret too.

Chris B

Man, that reaction to the first scene was worth the wait haha

Julien

SPOILER WARNING . . . . . . . . . Your comment heavily flirts with spoilers. A few of the key terms you use simply aren't remotely applicable yet: protégé?? In what world? This is episode 11 of season 1. Peggy is a secretary who just got her second copywriting assignment. At best, this is an experiment. Your reading is entirely premature and spoilery. As is your description of what Pete may be feeling. Again, we are not there at all. Let's try not to get ahead of ourselves. We are all here paying to get unspoiled reactions.

Kara

haven't even finished s1 yet 💀 its gonna be a goood year

Chris B

There are so many moments down the line that can legit get me emotional just thinking about them. What a treat this is rewatching.

Julien

I love how the show casually kills off the key to the foundational mystery of the show in the opening scene and then proceeds with the rest of the episode like it didn't happen.

nzm

It is really funny how he's obsessed with Ayn Rand

Thomas Fahey

Rand was an objectively bad writer whose influence was perverse. I'm reminded of another author from this era, but...

Kara

@Thomas yep, should be obvious but my inclusion of Rand is not an endorsement of her or her beliefs (she is awful in every sense)

Gaboxxy

It's interesting that Bert combines aspects of Objectivism, which is a deeply individualistic philosophical system, and Japanese philosophy, which is very collectivist. His core beliefs are inherently contradictory in nature, yet the combination has seem to work perfectly fine for him. He seems to be pretty much the only character perfectly at peace with who he is.

Kara

@Gaboxxy Bert's obsession with Japan is fundamentally rooted in late 19th / early 20th century orientalism. He doesn't really care about the actual local society/culture, only aesthetics and perceived business practices (imported from the colonial POV). Kimonos were trendy (see Rose on the Titanic), the french called it "Japonisme" - sort of the weeb obsession of the gilded age lol. That mixes with the 50s/60s idea that post-war fully westernized Japan was going to be a technological super power (which it did) that defeats a declining US (which it did not) forms the obsession imo. If you care to you can track this right thru 80s Cyberpunk via William Gibson's Neuromancer and others. If Bert lives long enough he'd be watching Blade Runner like "exactlyyyy"

bondbond53

Bert my favourite weeb

bondbond53

Adam breaks my heart every time

Luis

Nabokov did it first

Mike

You're right that protégé probably isn't the right word. But Don is giving Peggy one-on-one advice on how to write copy and negotiate for raises. I don't think we've seen him get so hands-on with any of the juniors at SC, and we certainly don't see that kind of relationship between other bosses and their secretaries (look at Pete & Hildy's interaction this episode, by contrast.) (Anyway I've edited my comment a bit. The last thing I want to do is spoil anyone's experience.)

Michael M

I read Atlas Shrugged back in the day. It finally broke me when I got to Galt's 100 page speech. Good lord that woman was verbose.

Gaboxxy

@Kara I understand your point but I think it's a bit unfair to see the instances in which he references objectivist philosophy and take it at face value, but on the other hand whenever he references japanese philosophy and customs just say "he's just posing lol". I think a more nuanced, unbiased way to look at it is that he adopts both in his personal worldview because he's a complex character and people (especially in this show) can hold inherently contradictory values. If you personally agreed with objectivism yet hated japanese culture for some reason, you'd probably see it the other way around because it's human nature to just focus on the negatives. (MILD SPOILER AHEAD) Even in the next episode Bert directly quotes and applies a japanese proverb, it definitely goes beyond just aesthetics and walking around barefoot.

Kara

@Gaboxxy I hear what you're saying but I don't think you're correctly factoring in the colonial angle. With Objectivism, Bert is personal friends with its creator, attends many events with her, its a homegrown contemporary "All-American" philosophy that was born in front of him. With his orientalism, he's an outsider, and his fascination is shaped by being a supporter of American Imperialism + filtered through translations + cultural fascination with post-war Japan etc. IIRC as of now, we don't know if Bert has visited Japan or knows any Japanese people personally. I didn't mean to imply he knows nothing about Japanese culture - I'm sure he's read the Art of War, the Book of Five Rings and whatever translations of the sutras were floating around (i looked it up to check and these didn't become popular in biz circles until later apparently but still he could have been ahead of the curve). But he's fundamentally an outsider to the culture in a way that isn't true for American movements. tldr I think there's more textual evidence for Bert understanding Objectivism than Japan. I appreciate people can be unconsciously biased but I don't think that's the case here, if Bert was instead a fan of American Socialism and friends with Michael Harrington etc I would still think he knew more about it than he does about Japan. It's not mega relevant but the "Japanese saying" Bert quotes also has no real source, it could have just been made up by some random English writer Bert read lol. But yes, it's not *just* aesthetics, its also whatever version of business philosophy Bert has read about/believes in.

Tyrone Tyrone

Don Draper is your favorite character?😦 Why? Because he lies constantly about just about everything. Roger on the other hand is so funny.