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Monster Episode 20

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Komikall

Love this episode!

My Toasty Toast

One of my favorite episodes of the show.

Robert Dirk H.

Just to clarify it beforehand: Robert ≠ Roberto. All Robertos deserve to die :D

refo44

"Oh, hi, Eren!" 🤣

refo44

I'm not sure. The sub literally says “Robert.” 😆

Robert Dirk H.

People said Monster is darker than Haikyuu, but it's not one of the darkest stories ever :D There are some dark moments in the series too. So many people have been murdered right before our eyes in the story already. And we get to see even more dark moments! But of course, there are so many human stories and moments too. It's a great show!

MJ

Speaking of Frieren. I know we still have 5 months left before Frieren season 2 comes out, but I highly recommend you girls you rewatch season 1 if you ever have time before the new season comes out. Also I completely agree with you two there are so many moments in monster that make you feel warm inside, this is one of the many reasons why I really love this show.

Robert Dirk H.

We get 1-2 weeks buffer after Chainsaw Man and the show after it. So maybe we get a 1x01 Rewatch Reaction to Frieren?! :D

refo44

Maybe we could say instead, Takopi's Original Sin is actually one of the darkest and cruelest stories ever

Robert Dirk H.

They deserve to get Takopi for not including “A Place Further Than The Universe” in the last poll! Let them feel what true happiness looks like :D

Jack SV

Ain’t no way this show can be put in the same category as Frieren lol maybe I’m being too harsh but I remember watching the first three episodes of Frieren and quitting after that because I couldn’t find the main character as interesting as Tenma or Anna. But maybe after 3 episodes if gets better..? Also it doesn’t help that the setting is medieval fantasy and isekais have killed all my interest in any show that take places in that setting (with the exception of Berserk manga of course lol).. maybe I should give another chance to Frieren if it’s getting compare to Monster..

priscilla

A beautiful episode. Not just because Dieter is looking so adorable and happy

refo44

A great show to watch after Chainsaw Man might be Pluto. It’s by the same author of Monster and is based on Osamu Tezuka’s Astro Boy. It’s only 8 episodes, so it will fit perfectly before Frieren Season 2. Maybe you could rewatch some episodes of Frieren (or watch a couple of anime movies) to fill the rest of the schedule. Just a suggestion for the next poll.

petitcorbeau

But saying that monster is darker than haikyuu means nothing though lol almost every shows are darker than a show where we're following teen boys playing volleyball...

refo44

My suggestion is to give Frieren a second try. Three episodes aren’t enough to really judge it, and almost everyone recommends watching at least the first four episodes. Even if some people click with it from the start honestly, on my first watch I didn’t feel truly immersed until episode 5 or 6, and even then it still felt like the story was in its preface. For me it’s in the next arc from episodes 7 to 10 that the story really shows what it has to offer and the kind of storytelling the viewer can expect. Now I understand it better, and each rewatch feels like a masterpiece from the very beginning.

Robert Dirk H.

@petitcorbeau In Haikyuu, Daichi dies :( So it gets dark! :D

Robert Dirk H.

Watch Frieren!!!! You can complain after you watched the first 28 episodes! And fuck iskeai! Exception: Ascendance of a Bookworm and Tanya The Evil. These are the only good isekai anime :D

Robert Dirk H.

Frieren Rewatch / Anime movies / Takopi, all of them would fit after Pluto :D

YawnSong

The reason all the haikyuu people said those things about Monster was because they had never even seen it! lol people fight dirty in those polls to get the thing they like through haha

Robert Dirk H.

I don't mean this Robert. This Robert is good even so he killed someone :D

petitcorbeau

I watch the all season and even though I really find the writing beautiful I'm not a fan tbh. I didn't get attached to the characters so yeah for me the characters in monster are way better ( and when I'm talking about the characters I'm talking about all of them, even characters we only see once. I really connect with the ones in monster but not that much in frieren for some reasons) But I still think you should give it another try because three episodes are not enough you may enjoy the characters more than I did, you never know.

Maceta

Behold: The "worst" episode of Monster. Another of those "filler" episodes (that is actually not filler because it's themes regarding the possibility of redemption are also a crucial part of the story)

refo44

Well Takopi is only 6 episodes but I’d feel kinda guilty recommending it to LM. I just watched the reactions from the GOT games and honestly it was really painful to watch him go through that. I can’t even imagine putting them through it. The best analogy I can think of is it’s like watching the Nina chimera episode from FMA six times in a row. It’s psychological torture. If people are interested in LM watching it anyway, I just hope they at least have the option to drop it. Even if I consider it one of the best anime of the year and one of the best written stories ever, it’s just too real and cruel, especially if you’re a sensitive or empathetic person or have been a victim of bullying or domestic violence. But what are your thoughts about Takopi? Do you recommend LM to watch it?

refo44

And BTW I wasn’t one of those people against Monster and I wasn’t against Chainsaw Man either (even if I voted for Steins Gate) but Takopi is a really different case. This is the real wolf from the boy who cried wolf

Kendall Roy 🇧🇷

For me, Frieren is easily the best anime of the decade so far. Perfect writing, adorable characters, so much beauty in every episode, so human, it's all about love for people. For me, it was impossible to watch it and not be touched by everything.

Robert Dirk H.

I recently rewatched the Summit War Arc in Naruto with a reacter. And it seems people have simply forgotten what fillers were: The worst pile of trash a person could imagine. He had to fast-forward through several episodes, and his mods have made it their mission to find the timestamps in the future so that he can fast-forward more easily because that was a horrible watch experience with repeating flashbacks, stupid dialog and accidently skipping scenes by pressing fast-forward. And the next few Arcs in Naruto are so much worse with filler. People who call calm Monster episodes filler should just keep watching Demon Slayer and Solo Leveling.

refo44

Yes, it’s funny because this is definitely one of those few anime where you can even say it doesn’t have a single bad episode

Robert Dirk H.

Personally, I'm a little unsure whether the two should watch Takopi, because it's really emotionally stressful. But as you said, it's one of the best anime of the year, with a great story and an extremely positive response from fans.

Kendall Roy 🇧🇷

I absolutely love Naoki Urasawa's writing; he knows how to capture every nuance of a human being when writing his characters. Regarding Monster being dark, it really is in many moments, but always with a beautiful message behind it, with appreciation and respect for people. Most of the things Haikyuu fans said in that poll were just dirty play (which is okay, everyone has their own strategies 😂) but I'm happy to see how much you're enjoying the story.

Gaboxxy

@Robert Dirk H. I mean, to be fair a filler doesn’t have to be bad, it’s not really about that. A filler just means an episode in any given series that doesn’t advance the plot forward or develop characters in any meaningful way, to the point where you could skip them entirely and not even notice any difference to the plot progression. They usually are pretty bad, but that’s not an inherent characteristic of a filler episode. Bleach for instance has a couple of pretty decent filler arcs.

D

Episodes like this are what makes Monster the masterpiece that it is. For all the rightful praise Johan gets as a villain its really the side characters who truly give color to this entire story. There's one "side" character who shows up later on that EVERYONE falls in love with and is honestly probably one of the best "side" characters EVER in Anime. Its so sad that these are the episodes people point out as making the show feel "slow". But these episodes are so important to the type of story Monster is telling.

D

From a commenter on Youtube: 17:13-17:27 This part is mistranslated. What he said was: “It was unbelievable to think that Robert had committed murder. But he did, and the fact that I couldn’t sense what was going on with my own son, made me realise it was time for me to turn in my badge. But you know something, i want to have confidence in my own intuition again.” The subtitles you're using don't do the dialogue justice. I definitely suggest yall look into better/different subtitles. Honestly the dub for this show is AMAZING and would better convey alot of what the above scene said than your current subtitles.

HenryM

I'm just going to add to the pile and say, give it another try

Jon Herrera

This is so beautiful. I love these reactions. And there's so much left to go. I'm very much looking forward to it. Wonderful stuff.

Gaboxxy

11:32 I mean, wouldn't that make him a good detective if he can sense those type of things? Tenma is obviously a decent person, but at the end of the day he is on a journey to kill someone. Any character that suspects of him being up to something is technically right.

DAVID COSTELLO

That sounds like the version I watch on Netflix. I wonder where they are getting their version.

Solitary

Did you seriously suggest the dub for Monster when the sub is this good?

D

I sure did. The sub voice acting is great. This particular translation is not. Which is important in a show that relies so heavily on its writing. The dub is great too. Don't be one of those people who act as if there aren't any amazing dubs out there. This has one of them.

Seni Adeyemi

I watched Monster for the first time in 2011. My thought after watching it was that it was the single best written piece of fiction I had ever experienced in any form. I still think so.

Solitary

You're right about the translation for that part. Feel free to send them the better translation subs on Discord. I'm not a sub purist. There are many great dubs. The Monster dub isn't bad; the sub is just THAT good. Johan in the sub version alone to me is one of the greatest performances in fiction. The dub doesn't capture Johan in his true sweet-voiced splendor.

Aglio Olio

Lola almost started quoting "remember remember the 5th of november..." 😅 Btw the show only gets better as it goes on, you girls WILL get more than you asked for.

Robert Dirk H.

@Gaboxxy. That is completly true! What I'm talking about is the kind of filler that was really bad. For example: The dance between Fern and Stark in Frieren is filler. But it's so good! But if people use the word "filler" is almost always negative.

petitcorbeau

It was funny to me when you were talking about monster in haikyuu reaction like you needed to prepare yourself as if monster would be the most depressing show ever lmao. I know that monster had been recommended for you for years but I wasn't following you back then so I don't know what people told you about it but you shouldn't have take into consideration things that were said in the poll because we were at war lol. I'm so happy you're loving it so far, this manga is amazing and I knew it'd be perfect for you two <3

t.wizzle

You guys need to watch a different version of this. The subtitles and ost choices suck

thenamelessgirl

the accurate relation they made with frieren and monster GIRL

thenamelessgirl

Urasawa can be "crude" in his storytelling, but there's always hope for humanity in all his works c:

Vitor

I really like how this show is bringing about discussions about the treatment of criminals and the nature of law enforcement

Lau

the hi eren killed me lmao

Lau

everytime i think oh this was my favourite episode so far, then comes another one and another one and another one

Lau

i still argue that the dance between fern and stark is NOT filler haha