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Mad Men 2x10 Reaction (Patreon)

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2025-08-29 21:16:32
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2025-10-12 21:48:10
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bondbond53

Guys stop telling them what episode you're excited about and spoiling them. I've had enough of that during HunterxHunter and it just made the experience worse

Jay Craig

Get in line pussy

bondbond53

There's an episode that if anyone spoils how important it is I swear I'll find you personally

Taya

I'm personally very excited for them to watch the next episode through season 7 episode 14... great run of important episodes right there

bondbond53

Goddamn it Taya what did I just say /s

petitcorbeau

Cannot wait for monster as well but chill lol it could still be up in one hour or two or we could wait for tomorrow which is okay

Robert Dirk H.

I think it will arrive today. If it were tomorrow, they would write it in the description of the last upload.

Eric Viola

"The hardest part is realizing you're in charge". Always loved this line from this ep.

Wayne

My first instincts about Glen are his similarities to Don. Has no people, doesn’t like ham (no idea if Don does but his dad did), has money to rescue Betty- sees her aspirationally/ possibly hates her

cheech

CALI-FORN-I-A

Yami

Yes, Kinsey is the epitome of performative. Also, christ, I just remember how much I hate the Glenn subplot. But hey, whatever gets the showrunners kid some acting time, no matter how awkward and wooden his acting is.

Kara

This is a really dense episode. Betty's father's comments toward Don imply that he had an absolute nightmare when first dating her imo. From her dad's perspective Don is this slick-talking "new york city" guy who rocks up, takes away his daughter, and has no (real) friends or family at the wedding. It's not a fair accusation but it does get at something: Don has not spent his newfound free adult life making deep personal connections. His best friend is Roger Sterling and I'm not sure we've seen anyone else get close. His only surviving family was Adam, RIP. It's a complex situation but basically, you can imagine how much of a struggle Don had trying to convince Betty's well off suburban family that he's worthy of her etc (he knows Viola well enough to kiss her on the cheek). And how much there's a part of Don in there somewhere who wishes he could have brought Adam home to meet Betty and the kids. Martin Luther King Jr will deliver his famous "I have a dream" speech in August 28, 1963. We are in 1962, and you can imagine what the year running up to that speech was like. I'll talk about this more in future eps, but the US Civil Rights movement in the early 60s was actually deeply unpopular. A contemporary poll showed 60% of Americans opposed MLK's march on washington, they thought that Black people were "asking for too much too fast" (sound familiar?) and that they should accept slower incremental change and stop being so loud and disruptive about it. Conveniently when Civil Rights became popular later and laws were passed, everyone remembers that they ALWAYS supported the civil rights movement 100%. Funny how that works 🙄 Random small details: 9(?) year old Glen saying "We can go anywhere, I have money" is almost verbatim what Don said to Rachel Menken in season 1. Betty dresses Glen in one of Don's shirts and then looks after him, like she's playing housewife as a distraction (later she forgets about her father for a moment when Carla asks). At night, Betty moves from HER bed to Don's floor to have sex with him, she doesn't invite him into her space even though it'd be more comfortable. Mad Men knows how to end an ep. The final scene is great with Don sitting in a window seat, looking out as the sunlight tracks up his stoic face. Recall his words from an earlier episode: "When I get on a plane, I don't care where I'm going. I just want to see the city disappearing behind me."

Kara

Glen's line to Betty "We can go anywhere, I have money" is almost exactly what Don says to Rachel Menken in S1 when he's panicking and trying to run away with her, literally child magical thinking haha.

Michael M

I cannot wait for them to see that one episode with that person cheating on their partner and a subplot of something historical in the 60's happening.

Kara

It's so true too, even today with much less societal initialization of women it's extremely tough going from a two person team household to a one person household with kids.

Kara

can't wait for season X episode Y where don drapers over everyone and Pete says "Gee willickers, a thing like that!"

bondbond53

Your comment about the Civil Rights Movement is so on point. I almost look at people that claim similar things today with such disbelief like "have you ever opened a history book? do you know how we got the things we have today?". It's mind-boggling how human nature never changes

Taya

It's kinda funny how Joan's comments to Paul earlier in the season come across as EXTREMELY offensive, rude and racist (and they are to an extent) but now that we see what Paul is really like... well ... "I'm sorry, which part of that was wrong?"

Nina

I should try Pete's pick-up lines, they seem killer. "I don't like my mother. What do you think about that?"

Gaboxxy

12:27 What Gene meant to say it's that Don has no one to vouch for him, no one that can talk about his character or life before meeting Betty, so ultimately there is no proof besides his word that Don is the man he presents himself as. It's not an attack on his status per se. In a way Betty's dad is right, you can't fully trust a person when there is no one that connects them to their past because they have full power to create any persona they might want, and Don is an extreme example of this.

JBK405

The thing with Glen's story about his homelife, is that it's all been filtered through his perspective as a child. And that doesn't mean he's wrong about anything, but it also doesn't mean he's right about it. He complains about his mother's many boyfriends, and that could mean that she is neglecting her children in favor of a string of short-term flings. Or it could mean that she once had a male friend over to her house a few times, and also had a romantic boyfriend at another time, and Glen doesn't understand the difference. He says that he takes care of his sister and himself, mentioning brushing their teeth and tucking in to bed at night, and that could mean that Helen is parentifying him by forcing him to take on an adult role that he's not ready for. Or it could mean that she asks him to do one chore as part of his nightly routine and he doesn't understand how much else she is doing that he doesn't see. Helen herself admits that she's not s good mother anymore, and that could mean that she really is letting everything fall apart and abandoning her kids. Or it could be self-criticism stemming from shame at not being able to measure up to the idealized image of "a woman who has it all" and she is struggling under the giant societal pressure. It's hard -- if not impossible -- to judge based on just the information from this episode. All we know for SURE is that both Glen and Helen aren't happy.

Kara

I think a good way of framing this is, how would we feel if a busy / stressed Betty at home without Don asked Sally to help brush Bobby's teeth? We'd probably be fine with it. I doubt Helen is an amazing parent but yeah, we dunno how much of what she does is actually that bad / neglect as opposed to just, not amazing parenting.

Taya

Excellent comment. I was thinking the same thing. We shouldn't take everything Glenn says at face value. He's a sensitive kid who has been affected greatly by his parents divorce and isn't coping well with his mom's single life or with his dad's new marriage. It doesn't mean his mom is actually neglecting him, but he might see it that way. Also I'm going to give Helen the benefit of the doubt, she probably knew Glenn was hanging around the immediate neighborhood but just wasn't coming home. In the 60's parents were VERY lax about this kind of thing.

Kara

I do agree with Gene that its pretty weird to seemingly have NOBODY important in your life. No family, no close friends. Did Don have a best men or groomsmen at his wedding even? It can be somewhat explained with "I'm an orphan, I don't have siblings or cousins" etc but... no old family friend? No close friends like siblings? It's pretty odd. I doubt Don bothered explaining it well either, from S1 we know Betty just inferred a bunch of stuff about his family and childhood.

Kara

"I think I might die in a plane crash like my daddy 🥺👉👈" son VERSUS "If that happened it would be, statistically speaking, rly fucking cool 🙂" daughter

Kara

she's like azealia banks, there's truth in her words but the words themselves are HEINOUS

Kara

The same thing happened with Nixon - mass support before Watergate, a few years after the scandal suddenly nobody remembers voting for him. A lot of people think the same will happen with MAGA and *the current situations* in 5 years. Also on a smaller scale, the majority of UK people say they never supported Brexit when it won the vote just over 50% lol. Humans have very powerful brains!

Taya

Hot take, I like the Glenn subplot lol

JojoPotato

Never expected an Azealia Banks reference in the Mad Men comments!

Thomas Fahey

"The most important thing to realize about parents is that there is absolutely nothing you can do about them." -- Nick Smith, Metropolitan (1990)

Thomas Fahey

Glenn is learning the meaning of the word "stepmother".

Julien

Gene is right. Don having "no people" is absolutely a huge red flag. Lots of people in this world have lost their families but an adult that has hasn't managed to form close relations or a semblance of community that can stand for him as "his people" is sus af and Gene is right to pick up in that. We all know Don doesn't get close to people and we know why. Gene doesn't know but he is 100% right to be wary of that when this guy is the man marrying his daughter. How would anyone here feel if their loved one (or child!) took up with and wanted to marry someone with a vague background and literally NO relative or close human being at all?

Chris B

It always made me uncomfortable. Quite literally every scene with him and Betty. I get the points and parallels but man is it weird.

Taya

I'd love for Azealia Banks to binge MM and then write a long searing evisceration of like... Harry Crane. It would be glorious

Gaboxxy

@Kara I was kinda surprised at the sheer shock from the girls to the brushing teeth thing. I though it was pretty standard big brother thing to do lol? Guess I was neglected as a child as well. And yeah, Hellen could do better but having been raised by a single mom until I was like 10 I can definitely empathize with her situation and how hard it can be to raise a kid basically by herself while also having to provide economically for him, especially in those times. I was actually kinda surprised to see no sympathy from the girls in that regard.

Gaboxxy

@Kara It's not that he can't be bothered to explain it, it's just that the more he shares the more at risk he is of close people finding out his true identity. He could just bullshit and make up a lot of things about his past, sure, but that's even riskier as you can't invent a whole life story without ultimately contradicting yourself at some point or forgetting details, so he decided to adopt this reserved persona to simply avoid any issues as much as he can.

Gaboxxy

Can't wait for the part Don says "maybe men really do be mad" and starts just toasting everything.

nzm

Pete owning his landlord mother #PACKWATCH 🔥💯

nzm

Nobody remembers voting for Gerald Ford either...

Mark M

I liked the Helen part in this episode. She's not a role model or a cautionary tale. She's a better example for Betty by seeing a real person make mistakes and try to learn from them, while also showing the benefits of leaving an unhappy relationship. Gene is right to be suspicious, but you also get a sense from Pete's mother how he would react if Don told him his actual background, even leaving out the Don Draper part. Not that Don should lie of course, but you can see why he wanted to leave his past behind for many different reasons. But also how, as cold as it may be, his past has damaged and him and can't just be buried, especially for a parent.

JJ

Who is the worst of the 3 musketeers? For what it’s worth, Pete is arguably worse than all of them! I love him as a character too, but everything you listed for the others Pete is probably the worst offender. Crude office talk? Yup. (especially in season 1). Cheated on his wife before and after marriage with Peggy and then once more with the model he met in the elevator. Yes, the bar is on the floor but Harry is the only man in the show so far to explicitly feel bad about cheating… he regretted it as soon as he woke up and immediately confessed to his wife.

Kara

I'd push back on that a little, in an earlier episode Don tells Betty that his father abused him and he fantasised about killing him and running away. This is probably something you should share earlier and would explain why you dont want to be close to any of your family. Then Betty could have told Gene, in her way. So Don is capable of explaining what he can, when he chooses to. I cant say other stuff cuz spoilers but you can probably understand what I would say, think "A" haha

Kara

@Gaboxxy: we don't have enough info to judge yeah. if helen is literally leaving both kids home alone to survive while going on dates, that's terrible lol. but if she's just like "brush your sister's teeth while I finish this important thing" that's different. at 9yo glen isnt a reliable narrator basically, but his home life doesnt sound FUN regardless.

Gaboxxy

@Kara Yeah but we also have to understand that her mentality is probably "I have to find another man so the kids can be properly taken care of" to begin with, not just mindless fun. Again, I'm not justifying her flaws, but we have to understand this is she's also a result of her time, same way all the other female characters in the show are deeply flawed but you can understand their actions and way of thinking due to their historical contexts.

Julien

The conclusion of that second paragraph applies to the currently unfolding live-streamed genocide: one day, everyone will always have been against this.

bondbond53

Everyone thinks they're a Ken when they're a Paul

Mike

Regarding Kinsey & Sheila, I think you're both kind of falling into the trap of thinking about "the Sixties" instead of 1962, when this episode takes place. This is six years before MLK's assassination. Four years before the Selma marches. Eleven months before "I have a dream". For most of America in 1962, this is not a popular movement -- broadly speaking, the country is actually against civil rights. Kinsey is a phony and he's (mostly) dating Sheila to seem interesting, but even being in the orbit of someone going to Mississippi in 1962 to register voters makes him more For Real than anyone else in that office, even if he's doing it to seem interesting (or because Don stole his trip to California).

Mike

Yep. Helen coming into Betty's life was a wake-up call about the circumstances her own marriage, so it's just as important now to show Helen (and by extension, divorce) as an imperfect solution. Separating from Don obviously seems like the right choice for Betty, but it isn't a magic bullet where she suddenly gets to live a perfect life. Things are messy on both sides.

Mike

Kinsey is clearly being a tourist in Sheila's life, but I'm not 100% sold that he was never planning to go to Mississippi. Like everyone on the show, there's a complicated character here. He's curious, and he wants to seem "woke" (c. 1962), but I think there's a bit of something genuine, too.

Mike

"When I get on a plane, I don't care where I'm going. I just want to see the city disappearing behind me." That's a good pull, but as we'll see, I don't think it's really true in the case -- for Don or for the show. (I have *lots* to say about Mad Men and California.)

Rafael Faithful

I love this so much, and I can't wait for you two to react to the next episode

cheech

Yeah if he got shot and killed he’d be a hero. TBH he prob would be for just going. Most white people did nothing and like you said were against civil rights.

Sebastian

You misunderstand. Glen doesn't like Hamm, because he's married to Betty.

Sebastian

Imagine prefering anime to Mad Men

fionan franklin

Imagine prefer ing well written meaningful shows as opposed to one about men in suits who chortle while getting day drunk and whinge about having money

Tyrone Tyrone

Kinsey doing it to look real or because Don stole his trip to California. True😄👍

Tyrone Tyrone

Gene is a typical tribalist, judging by other things not relative instead of the man. People who have conformed or are afraid not too cling to that belief. It leads directly to clans, cliques and tribalism. “A man is whatever room he is in right now – Japanese Proverb”

Tyrone Tyrone

Although in 1961 a White mob attacked Freedom Riders in Anniston, Alabama so give Kinsey some credit, he knows that this trip might not go as planned.

Kara

@Julien: you really, really need to stop including things that haven't happened yet in your comments lmao. this isn't the first time this happened. You HAVE to post as if you've ONLY seen the episodes they've seen based on what reactions are out. I cannot stress this enough, they actually read these comments unlike other channels + they can only keep doing this if everybody is cool and doesn't speak about things that happens in future eps. Please stop 🙏

Epileptic Trees

I envy you, Fionan. To be unburdened by insight, wit or basic manners must feel so free.

Julien

@Kara: I was legit perplexed by your post. Then I realized that I actually watched the next episode the other day, and later made this post somehow thinking I had seen the reaction to that episode. It was an honest mistake and I just deleted, with apologies. But: This idea that I am somehow someone who habitually spoils things is... flatly wrong and frankly total BS. I am *fanatical* about spoilers. Always have been. In fact, infamously so - so much that this is something people here and elsewhere actually often get on my case for, as I am often the one calling out others for spoilers. I openly hate even comments like "I can't wait for the next episode." You 100% have me confused with someone else.

Gaboxxy

Yeah but just saying he was abused as a kid and that he had a rough childhood is PRECISELY the small amount of info he can share that actually helps him have an excuse to not share more.