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Mad Men 5x02 Reaction (Patreon)

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2025-12-13 22:39:43
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2026-01-29 00:05:00
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Mad Men 5x02

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bondbond53

Girls, your reactions to this new show 'Heated Rivalry' would be sooooo entertaining

Lawkan546

Just wanted to let you guys know the chainsaw man movie is out on digital!!!

Eric Viola

Megan doesn't have a problem with Joan, she was avoiding Don.

Lawkan546

Just looked at previous uploads and saw other people said the same thing days before this lmao

bondbond53

Worst timing to defend Harry is this episode lmao

Taya

And Pluribus!!

Eric Viola

That African statue was a racist prank sent by Y&R to get back at them for their ad, it was holding a resumé poking fun at the black applicants responding to the ad. Also, Roger sarcastically says "you're above that right" to Pete because he just pranked him with his fake meeting with Coke.

Eric Viola

Obviously Harry is pathetic and has deplorable morals but I still find him so entertaining to watch as a character. The scene where Roger asks him to give up his office is hilarious.

cheech

YOU DONT HAVE TO SAY YOU LOVE ME JUST BE CLOSE AT HAND!!!!

cheech

I love this scene. Harry’s terrible sure but he’s the punchline to so many good bits like this one. or just cut aways like during zou bisou bisou or being the only one clapping when Guy announced no more layoffs, his face when Bert says they’ll have to lock him storeroom etc

Jay Craig

That's over a thousand, Harry.

Taya

Those scenes between Lane & Joan are so sweet! I love the two of them together. Also I'm pretty sure the baby fart was not scripted. Those reactions seemed very authentic

Darrach

I got that impression too, Christina Hendricks laugh seemed very genuine.

Scott

Both of Don's wives were the perfect advertisements for their respective eras

JBK405

Back in season one, Harry was actually a bit of mirror to Don. Harry did cheat on his wife, but the time we saw was apparently the very first time. He was wracked with guilt over it, and later confessed of his own volition (And was kicked out of the house for it, and wound up sleeping at the office). This was in contrast to Don, who was cheating on his wife before the show even started and never felt any guilt and NEVER confessed. Over the years we have seen Harry degenerate into a sleazy guy who is cruder even than the other men at the company, despite starting out above them. I love the perspective we get to Lane's "honesty" in this episode. He's lying to his wife about their financial status, but despite his money troubles he does return the full wallet to the proper owner. He steals the wallet photo, but for an emotional thrill instead of because it has any value. Do we still count him as an honest man since he only steals something "worthless"? In the discussion on the "last episode" there were comments saying that even if the protest and water was a real event, it was out-of-place to include in this show because none of our characters are involved. But this payoff is why I think it was a brilliant inclusion. Yes, the Y&R people have never been seen before, but we see their TYPE constantly. Those men wouldn't be out of place at Sterling Cooper or SCDP. If that protest had been outside the SCDP offices, it might have been an employee at "our" company that threw water balloons at them. I don't think one of our main characters would have done it (For various reasons), but there are several low-level current and recently-fired employees I could imagine thinking that it was hilarious. So through Y&R we see what our characters WOULD have done, without inserting them into real history. I pointed out in a comment last season that SCDP is a company that only hires White People. It's not an official policy at SCDP, but only because it's never NEEDED to be an official policy since black people knew they would never be hired and so never wasted their time. The advertising industry as a whole and their specific location in Midtown Manhattan kept minorities from even walking through the door in the first place. But like you both said, now it's not a choice that they're making, they HAVE to start hiring black people because they messed up and need to deal with the fallout. It's not an advancement made from a moral or ethical perspective, but nonetheless there is a step forward happening.

Tarren

I always thought that the girl Lane called was just a sex worker that the wallet guy sees regularly. So she flirts with everyone who calls her and the scene is Lane humiliating himself trying to be charming. I don’t know though maybe it is just meant to be bizarre

Mike

"You're always up to something, aren't you, Crane?" Incredible scene, and perfect timing after their conversation about Harry & Roger before the episode. We like Roger because he gets to *make* jokes. Harry only gets to *be* the joke. V guvax gur fubj ernyyl svtherf bhg jung gb qb jvgu Uneel guvf frnfba. Vavgvnyyl, ur jnf bar bs n unaqshy bs FP thlf. Gur tnir uvz n ovg bs cngubf va bgure lrnef, rfcrpvnyyl jvgu gur nobegvba fhocybg, ohg gurl'ir onfvpnyyl fvqryvarq uvz nf n qenzngvp punenpgre abj va snibhe bs pbzrql, naq vg whfg fvatf. Ur'f gur ybjrfg thl ba gur pbzrql gbgrz cbyr, fb rirelbar (Ebtre & Fgna va guvf rcvfbqr) trgf gb chapu qbja ba uvz, naq ur qbrfa'g trg n "jva" hagvy n ovttre ybfre (Cnhy) fubjf hc ng gur raq bs gur frnfba. (Gur Ebyyvat Fgbarf ovg arkg rcvfbqr vf fb qnza shaal.)

Scott (edited)

Comment edits

2026-09-19 14:00 Don is somewhat progressive, in the context of the era, in regard of race due to his socioeconomic status as a child. Think of his prolonged feud with Roger because of his anger and judgement at Roger's vile and disgusting performance. The first scene of the series showed a bit of this, too. Severe poverty tends to level one's mind.
2025-12-14 01:37

Mike

I probably agree that the show hasn't said enough about race & racism so far. I guess you can make the argument that these characters being mostly isolated from the civil rights movement is itself a statement about wealth/privilege/whiteness, but I don't love giving them credit for a story they didn't tell. Choosing to start the season with the Y&R incident (and end the premiere with the job applicants at SCDP) feels like it *should* be a statement of intent for the season, saying that they aren't going to background that conversation anymore. I guess we'll see!

Jamie
>>196643040

That's how I took it too. Especially having a British accent and working in Midtown. It sounded like a sex worker finding a potentially wealthy mark.

Mike

It was definitely deliberately odd. I think we are supposed to imagine the version of this story where Don find the wallet and has that phone call. It probably ends the way that Lane was imagining this would.

Kev

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Kev
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Kev
>>196642341

I just can't imagine what characters people would want to be doing that last episode. I can imagine Pete, Harry, Ken and Paul doing something like that in S1, but obviously four seasons later the characters are different. Could it be some low-level employees at SCDP? I guess, but then what, they get fired obviously, right? I have already said many times that the show inherently focuses more on gender than race, but I feel like a lot of people are clearly struggling to make peace with that if they are suggesting a plotline like that is worthless if it doesn't happen to "our" characters.

Kev
>>196638686

I already love the song on its own, but its lyrics feel very pertinent to Megan this episode, or even both of Don's wives, or even women in Mad Men as a whole. I think it's just there for style points though considering when it plays.

Kev

A contrast I find funny is that Harry is one of the more dislikeable characters but the actor who plays him is one of the biggest fans of the show and consistently interacts with fans on the Mad Men subreddit. Seems like a likeable guy.

Kev

I think Roger is actually in his early 50s, lol. Don't let the white hair fool you.

Mike

I agree that Don is (in some ways) a secret progressive, but I don't think he was disgusted with Roger's blackface at all. He thought the unashamed display of love and happiness was embarrassing, not the racism.

on crip ...

well wow. it really is cycles. the same again and again. to date, companies still only really care about staffing non-white ppl if they feel pressure to do it. whether because of legislation or cultural social pressure like look no further than the recent layoff of mostly diverse Teen Vogue staff and say Target, one of many companies, who dropped their DEI efforts truly america has never overcome its racism

Thomas Fahey

Megan is Canadian. They resemble Americans, but they're generally nicer. Lane is a fish out of water, far too British for his own good.

Mike

She's Quebecois. They resemble Canadians, but they eat more tourtière.

on crip ...

yeah, you have said that this show focuses more on gender over race multiple times. but have you ever explained how it does that? bc in my mind, it's an impossible task to separate gender from race in the briefest manner, Don's interactions with Joan, Betty, Peggy, Alison, Faye, Megan, etc are underpinned by both gender and racial dimensions. race, as a factor, doesn't disappear because they're all white women and Don is a white man. the opposite happens, race is very present in their exchanges even more compact, there's implicit racial and gender components in every scene of this show the point is, the show prioritizes white gender dynamics, it doesn't prioritize gender over race. how can it? all the characters are shaped by both their race and gender

on crip ...

im rewatching, but i can't really remember beyond the obvious that comes from this prank, so i am excited to see how race is dealt with in the later seasons

on crip ...

the age/experience difference shown through Megan's interactions with Peggy and Don are crucial imo. at least, Don had no trouble reading Megan's theatrics, but like mb we can just say what we feel 😭

Thomas Fahey

According to Charles de Gaulle, she's French. Can't wait to meet her family.

Biberius Caldius Mero

Maybe Joan was a little bit insecure about Megan because of her mother's comment that Megan only invited her to the party last minute. (When actually, Megan invited everyone late.)

Julien

Yeah Don's anger with Roger had nothing whatsoever to do with blackface.

petitcorbeau

Lol I don't think they will react to it but I'm personally obsess it's so good 😩

bondbond53

Right??? Peak chemistry

Virgil Hawkins

Yeah that’s how I took the scene. Except I thought the wallet guy was her pimp. The "his girl", and, no offence to him, but that guy kinda looked like a sex trafficker to me.

Sebastian

On crip, we get that you're very up to date on The Discourse, but saying it's impossible to separate race and gender is an unhinged take. That's Paul Kinsey on the bus talk.

JJ

At least on the Don Draper scale, I have to disagree with the no communication part. I mean, Don did tell Megan in the previous episode why he didn’t like celebrating his birthday or appreciate the attention. Megan was upset Don didn’t appreciate her gesture and let him know. They “talked” this episode, and arguably did resolve it. It happened offscreen, but he also told Megan about Dick Whitman. Communication doesn’t inoculate you from disagreements, but this is easily the most communicative Don has been.

Jacob

The fact that you need to use a Don Draper scale of communication proves the point they are making entirely. It's still very poor communication skills being shown by Don. Better than what we have seen with Betty and everyone else we have seen so far? Absolutely. It's still incredibly bad on Don's end.

on crip ...

hardly up to date. this concept is something you learn in a 101 class. in that 101 class you learn that before professor Kimberlé Crenshaw coined "intersectionality," the Combahee River Collective (black queer feminists) was moving towards the idea back in the mid to late 1970s "We also often find it difficult to separate race from class from sex oppression because in our lives they are most often experienced simultaneously. " - CRC Statement, 1977 straight off their wiki page. the whole statement is worth reading tho. i might be due for a re-read Kev, should I go with your definition of intersectionality, or Crenshaw? "It’s basically a lens, a prism, for seeing the way in which various forms of inequality often operate together and exacerbate each other. We tend to talk about race inequality as separate from inequality based on gender, class, sexuality or immigrant status." - Crenshaw interview from 2020 Do you know the background of why she developed the term? Optional Reading: -bonus quote from Crenshaw interview: "Anything that’s meant to address gender inequality has to include a racial lens, and anything that’s meant to address racial inequality has to include a gender lens" -of course Sojourner Truth's "Ain't I a Woman?" from 1851. which i referenced in my "Ain't Carla a Woman?" comment from like a month ago -Crenshaw's famous 1989 "Demarginalizing the Intersection of Race and Sex: A Black Feminist Critique of Antidiscrimination Doctrine, Feminist Theory and Antiracist Politics"

on crip ...

At the same time, what if I'm wrong? Can one of you reference scenes from Mad Men where gender is relevant but race isn't?

on crip ...

in the context of the era, Abe is the standard

JJ

That’s the thing though… How? In terms of communication, what was “incredibly bad on Don’s end”? Historically, we know that Don is a notoriously bad communicator. But in these two episodes (and marriage thus far) he quite literally hasn’t been, which is why it is noteworthy.

Jacob

Yes, it's a very small small step up from what we have seen so far. His communication skills are still practically non-existent. Completely agree it's the most communicative we've seen Don so far. He still ends up handling it poorly. Just like with Anna Draper, who is the person we've seen who Don is the most open with, he still handled it poorly in the end with Anna. If you argument is simply he's gone from no communication to now offering a few lines here and there, Ok I guess. Don still ends up shutting down like he always does leading to where Don and Megan are are the end of this episode. But if you genuinely think this is good communication on Don's part overall then I don't know really what to say. It's still incredibly poor communication skills Don is displaying. He's just now gone from a zero to a .5 on the communication level skill tree. Still awful. But a small improvement.

Juanma88

Definitely this. I would even say that she is in a similar position to Lane and she is trying to avoid reality, but she knows where the fantasy stops.

on crip ...

I now understand the disconnect. Your last paragraph clarifies a lot. Yes, the show's depiction of gender tends to ignore how it is shaped by both patriarchy and white supremacy. (this is the disconnect) It's extremely unsatisfying to see patriarchy portrayed in this manner. I'm a fan, but I will always be critical of that narrative choice because it flattens how patriarchy actually functions. This portrayal of patriarchy, largely as "colorblind" man or woman gender experiences, negates a multitude of gender experiences and whitewashes how patriarchy reproduces white supremacy. One example, during Betty's return to modeling, or at various other points where beauty standards are emphasized, I would've liked to see even a small gesture towards white models' role in reinforcing whiteness as a beauty standard. Of course, I can close-read how white supremacy shapes the characters alongside gender, but that's through my own effort, not the show. It's like you don't even need prominent non-white characters to interrogate white supremacy. Race and gender narratives can be nuanced with a majority, or solely, main white cast. The scene with Betty and Henry, after she fires Carla, comes to mind

Mack

Harry is an incredibly unlikable character and is obnoxious in many ways but its just not true that Harry does nothing or is not valuable to the company. The TV department is one of the most successful parts of the company as it currently stands. Thats why they put up with him.