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Eric Viola

The bizarro world version of "Shut the Door, Have a Seat". Yes you're right, Jared Harris came back to direct this beauty of an episode.

Wojo

THE KING ORDERED IT

Taya

I always thought the implication of Tammy's drawing is that Trudy's been dating a man with a mustache

Biberius Caldius Mero

Another great Pete scene, the king ordered it! Meredith is such a funny character in this last season especially. I really like the scene with Don and Roger at the bar here, too, and of course everything with Peggy and Stan.

Darrach

The feud between Scottish clans Campbell and MacDonald refers to the Glencoe Massacre in 1692. In a nutshell, thirty odd members of the Glencoe Macdonalds were killed by government forces, led by a Campbell, for refusing to swear fealty to the new king. Being Scottish, I can attest that it is not a feud anyone takes seriously in the slightest here. Campbell and MacDonald are common surnames, and those that went to my school would probably be unaware that there even is a history between them. The farthest it would go would be jokes. But all the same, it’s a funny gag and if anyone was going to take the bad blood seriously, Americans seeking to grasp on to aspects of their own disconnected ancestry would make the most sense, more than actual Scots haha

Biberius Caldius Mero

That's Pete's thought, too, no? The way he suspiciously looks over to Trudy in that moment?

Eric Viola

I didn't realize this until years after this ep aired but Roger saying "You Are Okay" to Don is a reference to his Lucky Strike pitch from the pilot.

Biberius Caldius Mero

Milena is right by the way, Jim Hobart (the guy from McCann) is the same guy who hired Betty for a Coca Cola commercial in season 1 in an attempt to poach Don.

Taya

Yep, exactly lol

Eric Viola

So glad the actor was still around for season 7. He really does an incredible job as Jim Hobart.

Mateo Baer

Next episode is my favorite Pete episode, I'm glad they have warm up to him again. We all want to be Don, but we are all Pete

Mateo Baer

The king order it !!

Mateo Baer

The coca cola polar bear add is engraved to everyone. Coca cola was the company before Apple

Mitchell

With every episode of the second haf of the season so far, another thing Don has built in his new life has been taken from him., and each episode ends with his realization of it.

JBK405

For how excited you get each time you see Alison Brie's name, I HEAVILY recommend the series "Community". She's a main character in the ensemble there. That show is also why she appears so infrequently here: Matthew Weiner has admitted that he kept waiting for that show to be cancelled so he could write more Trudy scenes, but it just kept getting renewed. What I think is the best part about their pitch to McCann not succeeding, is that they dont even get to MAKE the pitch. It'd be one thing if they got through it and Jim Hobart still said "no", but he didn't even let them make the argument. That's gotta be the worst blow of the whole thing. The whole scenario also harkens back to what Faye said about Don only liking the beginning of things. He'd rather start over than just deal with the situation as it is. I like the way this episode highlighted Ken's hierarchy of dislike: He hates Roger the most, because Roger's the one who fired him and didn't even fight to keep him. He hates Pete the second-most, because Pete was petty and condescending to him for years and took many opportunities to rub his power and authority in Ken's face after they made the new company. He hates Don the least, because Don never DID anything to him.

Mike

[acting like I haven't been waiting all series to post this] THE KING ORDERED IT. Honestly, I think this is the funniest scene in the whole series. Pete's immediate 180 from feigning ignorance of "ancient history" to vehemently explaining why they *had* to do it, like he was there himself. Vincent Kartheiser, you need to do more comedy. Coming back after watching the discussion: "Pete is that guy that you do not like. Most of the time, I really disliked him. But I love him. I truly love him." What more is there to say? 🫡

Mike

It's also an inspiration for the Red Wedding!

Mike

Great shout on Faye. This episode really refutes Don's guiding principles. No, you can't always burn it down and create a new company. And it turns out that his great advice to Peggy -- "it will shock you how much it never happened" -- has never been true. She thinks about her son all the time.

Mike

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Jenny D

"You Are Okay" is also what Roger's hallucination of Don said during his LSD trip. I love the intentionality of of Roger being the one saying it years later

Jay Craig

I love that when the guy walks into the office at the pre-school that Pete announces his name "Peter Campbell" like he's a fucking Pokemon

Darrach

Actually The Red Wedding was inspired by a different Scottish event called ‘The Black Dinner’, in 1440!

Mike

George has cited both as inspiration iirc

Darrach

Had a google and you’re right, it’s both of them!

Mike

@Kev There's something here about the characters' (and the show's) relationship to advertising, I think. The first instance of this phrase is Don talking about how the purpose of advertising (and not just any advertising -- cigarette advertising!) is to tell you that, whatever you're doing (i.e. smoking yourself to death), you are okay. *That* is the affirmation that they share with each other? I don't think Mad Men explicitly condemns advertising the way that The Sopranos does its subject matter, but tying this mantra up in the "purpose of advertising", cigarettes, and Roger's LSD trip, kind of suggests a hollow, Potemkin idea of happiness and self-actualization. (The show has already undercut that Lucky Strike monologue in a previous episode: In the pilot, Don says, "And you know what happiness is? It's a billboard that screams, whatever you're doing, it's okay." But when he is pitching Dow Chemical, happiness is actually the moment before you need more happiness. Frankly, it sound like a cigarette addiction.) Zber gb pbzr ba guvf sebag va gur svanyr, jura Qba pb-bcgf gur frys-npghnyvmngvba bs gur Ovt Fhe ergerng gb fryy pbxrf.

Julien

I’m legit shocked no one has mentioned this but the “ murdered under their own roof after offering them hospitality” thing that the school guy mentioned in reference to the Campbell-McDonald feud is a real event that was GRRM’s inspiration for the Red Wedding in Game of Thrones. If you have not watched Game of Thrones, you should not google that.

Julien

I love shows whose last seasons have this definite feeling of “this is the end.” Buffy was like that, and so were LOST and GOT. Maybe Six Feet Under but it’s been so long I barely recall. What else?

Sebastian

It is mentioned further down

Dante

Better Call Saul absolutely had that feeling as well