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Neon Genesis Evangelion Episode 12 Reaction (Patreon)

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Hiren Patel

I hope they watch the movies right after the series as they all reflect really well on each other. 25/26 into end of evangelion then into the 4 rebuild movies ❤️❤️

Gangster Pikachu

Give us the Avatar reaction, or I'll start shooting. Starting with Robert.

refo44 (edited)

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2026-09-09 01:00 Hi, my comments and easter eggs about this episode At the beginning of the episode, Fuyutsuki, NERV's vice commander, reveals that Tokyo-3's city council is essentially a façade and that the city is actually administered by the three interconnected MAGI supercomputers. Decisions are made through majority rule, creating what he describes as a system based on "democratic principles" (which is a pretty funny way to describe a city governed from the shadows by NERV through three supercomputers xD). The computers are named Melchior, Balthasar, and Casper after the three Magi traditionally associated with the birth of Jesus. This episode introduces the Ninth Angel, Matarael. Its name is generally interpreted as "Rain of God" or "God's rain," combining the Hebrew word matar, meaning rain, with El, meaning God. The name appears in The Hebrew Book of Enoch in the line "Matariel who is appointed over the rain." Evangelion reflects this association directly through Matarael's corrosive liquid, while reversing the traditional symbolism of rain as fertility, purification, and divine blessing. Because the acid falls from an eye, Matarael appears to be weeping, which maybe could be interpreted symbolically as transforming tears from an expression of vulnerability into a destructive force. Matarael's silhouette personally reminds me of the towering alien machines from H. G. Wells's "The War of the Worlds," but Matarael has four legs and an organic design more similar to harvest spiders. Its eye motifs also resemble the emblem of "Neo-Atlantis" from "Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water," a previous anime by Hideaki Anno. By the way, this is the anime that some people accused Disney of plagiarizing when "Atlantis: The Lost Empire" was released because of the similarities between the two works. The English title, "The Day Tokyo-3 Stood Still," directly references the 1951 science-fiction film "The Day the Earth Stood Still." The title fits the episode's focus on technological paralysis and the vulnerability concealed beneath Tokyo-3's apparent power. NERV concludes that the blackout was probably deliberate sabotage intended to reveal the structure of headquarters through the order in which its systems were restored. Matarael becomes dangerous because humanity has already compromised its own defenses, giving greater weight to Gendo and Fuyutsuki's conclusion that humanity's greatest enemy is humanity itself. NERV's computers, surveillance systems, security, automated infrastructure, and even Tokyo-3's government appear extraordinarily advanced, yet all that power depends on something as basic and vulnerable as electricity. Shinji also asks Asuka, "What do you think the Angels are?... Angels, messengers of God. Our enemies bearing divine names. Why are we fighting each other?" The final conversation about light and darkness brings these ideas to a more philosophical conclusion. Rei says, "Man fears the darkness, and so he scrapes away at the edges of it with fire. He creates life by diminishing the Darkness." The return of Tokyo-3's artificial lights then obscures the stars. Civilization's light offers protection and comfort, but it can also hide what lies beyond it. The episode therefore presents technology as both a human achievement and a defense against fear. Maybe the Angels are like that darkness?
2026-08-17 16:42 Hi, my comments and easter eggs about this episode: The conversation between Gendo and Fuyutsuki in Antarctica is one of the most interesting philosophical moments so far. Gendo says, "Science is the power of man," and Fuyutsuki responds that this same arrogance is what caused Second Impact. This builds on what the series has gradually revealed about the event, especially that the official meteor explanation is false and that Second Impact occurred after the First Angel had already been discovered and researchers began studying it. Philosophically, this also connects to Francis Bacon's idea of knowledge as power over nature. Their conversation also contains Biblical references. Fuyutsuki calls Antarctica a "Dead Sea," while Gendo describes it as a world "purified" of original sin. The Dead Sea was traditionally called the Salt Sea in the Hebrew Bible, while original sin refers to humanity's fallen condition originating in the disobedience of Adam and Eve. Fuyutsuki responds that he would rather live in a world with people even if it were stained by sin. This episode also introduces the Tenth Angel, Sahaquiel. Its name comes from Shahaqi'el or Sahaqiel, an angel mentioned in the Hebrew Book of Enoch, where it appears among seven celestial princes and is appointed over the fourth heaven. Hugo Odeberg, one of the major scholars of the text, associates Sahaqiel specifically with the sky, which fits Evangelion unusually well because Sahaquiel attacks from above the Earth and eventually turns its entire body into a gigantic falling projectile. Its eye motifs also continue the Neo-Atlantis visual reference from "Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water" that I mentioned with Matarael in the previous episode. As I mentioned in previous comments, Evangelion uses Biblical, Jewish, Christian, apocryphal, and esoteric references mainly to build its mythology, atmosphere, and symbolism rather than as part of a strict or consistent theological system. Misato's story finally explains the scar shown in Episode 10 and gives more context to her hatred of the Angels. She resented her father because he neglected his family and made her mother miserable, yet during Second Impact he sacrificed himself to save her, leaving Misato with feelings she can never completely resolve. The cross necklace she always wears was also given to her by her father while he was saving her. Ritsuko confronts this when Misato says, "Destroying Angels is my duty." Ritsuko responds, "Your duty? Don't make me laugh," and accuses her of seeking "revenge against the Angels!" One of the episode titles, "She said, 'Don't make others suffer for your personal hatred,'" directly reflects that criticism. The other, roughly "The Value of a Miracle Is...," connects to Misato's response when Ritsuko calculates the chance of success at only 0.00001% and she answers, "It's not zero." This also ties back to Fuyutsuki's earlier warning during his conversation with Gendo in Antarctica about human arrogance, since the refusal to accept apparent limits can lead either to catastrophe or to what Misato calls a miracle. The ending returns to Shinji's need for his father's recognition. When Gendo tells him, "Good work, Shinji," the moment feels almost like a twisted version of a father congratulating his son after catching the ball in a baseball game. The comparison works especially well because Shinji has literally just caught something enormous falling from the sky. Finally, the battle continues the development of the three pilots as a team. Shinji's initial response to emotional pain was withdrawal, but Episodes 8 and 9 forced him and Asuka to learn cooperation, Episode 10 had Shinji risk himself to save Asuka, and Episode 11 showed all three pilots functioning successfully together. Episode 12 takes that development further. Shinji reaches Sahaquiel first, but the impossible weight cannot be carried by one person alone. Rei and Asuka have to help him. The answer Evangelion offers so far is not that people should become strong enough to need nobody, but that they have to remain separate individuals while still depending on and supporting one another.

Hi, my comments and easter eggs about this episode: The conversation between Gendo and Fuyutsuki in Antarctica is one of the most interesting philosophical moments so far. Gendo says, "Science is the power of man," and Fuyutsuki responds that this same arrogance is what caused Second Impact. This builds on what the series has gradually revealed about the event, especially that the official meteor explanation is false and that Second Impact occurred after the First Angel had already been discovered and researchers began studying it. Philosophically, this also connects to Francis Bacon's idea of knowledge as power over nature. Their conversation also contains Biblical references. Fuyutsuki calls Antarctica a "Dead Sea," while Gendo describes it as a world "purified" of original sin. The Dead Sea was traditionally called the Salt Sea in the Hebrew Bible, while original sin refers to humanity's fallen condition originating in the disobedience of Adam and Eve. Fuyutsuki responds that he would rather live in a world with people even if it were stained by sin. This episode also introduces the Tenth Angel, Sahaquiel. Its name comes from Shahaqi'el or Sahaqiel, an angel mentioned in the Hebrew Book of Enoch, where it appears among seven celestial princes and is appointed over the fourth heaven. Hugo Odeberg, one of the major scholars of the text, associates Sahaqiel specifically with the sky, which fits Evangelion unusually well because Sahaquiel attacks from above the Earth and eventually turns its entire body into a gigantic falling projectile. Its eye motifs also continue the Neo-Atlantis visual reference from "Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water" that I mentioned with Matarael in the previous episode. As I mentioned in previous comments, Evangelion uses Biblical, Jewish, Christian, apocryphal, and esoteric references mainly to build its mythology, atmosphere, and symbolism rather than as part of a strict or consistent theological system. Misato's story finally explains the scar shown in Episode 10 and gives more context to her hatred of the Angels. She resented her father because he neglected his family and made her mother miserable, yet during Second Impact he sacrificed himself to save her, leaving Misato with feelings she can never completely resolve. The cross necklace she always wears was also given to her by her father while he was saving her. Ritsuko confronts this when Misato says, "Destroying Angels is my duty." Ritsuko responds, "Your duty? Don't make me laugh," and accuses her of seeking "revenge against the Angels!" One of the episode titles, "She said, 'Don't make others suffer for your personal hatred,'" directly reflects that criticism. The other, roughly "The Value of a Miracle Is...," connects to Misato's response when Ritsuko calculates the chance of success at only 0.00001% and she answers, "It's not zero." This also ties back to Fuyutsuki's earlier warning during his conversation with Gendo in Antarctica about human arrogance, since the refusal to accept apparent limits can lead either to catastrophe or to what Misato calls a miracle. The ending returns to Shinji's need for his father's recognition. When Gendo tells him, "Good work, Shinji," the moment feels almost like a twisted version of a father congratulating his son after catching the ball in a baseball game. The comparison works especially well because Shinji has literally just caught something enormous falling from the sky. Finally, the battle continues the development of the three pilots as a team. Shinji's initial response to emotional pain was withdrawal, but Episodes 8 and 9 forced him and Asuka to learn cooperation, Episode 10 had Shinji risk himself to save Asuka, and Episode 11 showed all three pilots functioning successfully together. Episode 12 takes that development further. Shinji reaches Sahaquiel first, but the impossible weight cannot be carried by one person alone. Rei and Asuka have to help him. The answer Evangelion offers so far is not that people should become strong enough to need nobody, but that they have to remain separate individuals while still depending on and supporting one another.

Djamal Baldjiev

Will you watch The Apothecary Diaries please

refo44

I hope you get the chance to watch "Kaguya-sama: Love Is War". It’s a really fun school romantic comedy. You deserve it after all these tragedies and dark stories! For me, it’s the best romantic comedy in anime

Gangster Pikachu

Fine. I'll settle for shooting anyone who ever voted against Steins;Gate instead.

Robert Dirk H.

TL;DR: JJK -> Takopi -> Steins;Gate -> Apothecary Diaries Apothecary Diaries could happen after JJK, but I hope we watch 3 weeks Takopi and then Steins;Gate. Takopi needs to be watched as one of the best anime 2025 and helping Pluto to (almost) win the the Bocchi poll. Steins;Gate also deserves to be watched after being second place in polls for the last 5 years. After Steins;Gate Apothecary Diaries would be great, because they would perfectly run into Apothecary Diaries Season 3 Part 2 next year.

Victor Katilis (edited)

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2026-09-09 01:00 Beware the inevitable invasion of the chronically obtuse ‘crosses are just for show’ crowd via reddit, brandishing the Kazuya Tsurumaki interview. Now I won’t bible thump here as it would be in poor taste and is frankly none of my business, but you’re right on the money that understanding it (as well as modern new age cults and how pervasive they are among modern powers that be) would let you understand what the show refers to better - although it does have to be noted that the show does spell out its broadly universal message very explicitly (but so eloquently it just begs the question). You would also do well to look up what Angel/Evangelion/Genesis/Neon (and хара :)) mean in the Greek language. But yes, to answer your point towards the end - ‘Do Not Be Afraid’ is very much attributed to angels in the old testament. You probably heard of it because of a recent viral trend (sigh) on socials. And red oceans is not a coincidence. My only other relevant suggestion would be to watch Misato’s actions, goals and aspirations (and her cross pendant for what it’s worth) very closely from now on. Especially pay attention on how her behaviour differs from pretty much the rest of the cast as the show goes on. But I think you are already doing that. Thats all I will say without spoiling. P.S. This comment looks twice as long as it should’ve been. Oh well.
2026-08-17 17:40 Beware the inevitable invasion of the chronically obtuse ‘crosses are just for show’ crowd via reddit, brandishing the Kazuya Tsurumaki interview. Now I won’t bible thump here as it would be in poor taste and is frankly none of my business, but you’re right on the money that understanding it (as well as modern new age cults and how pervasive they are among modern elites) would let you understand what the show refers to better - although it does have to be noted that the show does spell out its broadly universal message very explicitly (but so eloquently it just begs the question). You would also do well to look up what Angel/Evangelion/Genesis/Neon (and хара :)) mean in the Greek language. But yes, to answer your point towards the end - ‘Do Not Be Afraid’ is very much attributed to angels in the old testament. You probably heard of it because of a recent viral trend (sigh) on socials. And red oceans is not a coincidence. My only other relevant suggestion would be to watch Misato’s actions, goals and aspirations (and her cross pendant for what it’s worth) very closely from now on. Especially pay attention on how her behaviour differs from pretty much the rest of the cast as the show goes on. But I think you are already doing that. Thats all I will say without spoiling. P.S. This comment looks twice as long as it should’ve been. Oh well.

Beware the inevitable invasion of the chronically obtuse ‘crosses are just for show’ crowd via reddit, brandishing the Kazuya Tsurumaki interview. Now I won’t bible thump here as it would be in poor taste and is frankly none of my business, but you’re right on the money that understanding it (as well as modern new age cults and how pervasive they are among modern elites) would let you understand what the show refers to better - although it does have to be noted that the show does spell out its broadly universal message very explicitly (but so eloquently it just begs the question). You would also do well to look up what Angel/Evangelion/Genesis/Neon (and хара :)) mean in the Greek language. But yes, to answer your point towards the end - ‘Do Not Be Afraid’ is very much attributed to angels in the old testament. You probably heard of it because of a recent viral trend (sigh) on socials. And red oceans is not a coincidence. My only other relevant suggestion would be to watch Misato’s actions, goals and aspirations (and her cross pendant for what it’s worth) very closely from now on. Especially pay attention on how her behaviour differs from pretty much the rest of the cast as the show goes on. But I think you are already doing that. Thats all I will say without spoiling. P.S. This comment looks twice as long as it should’ve been. Oh well.

circleface

Always thought it was very sweet how the kids agree to get ramen at the end to accommodate Rei's vegetarianism and Misato's wallet lol Also I really like how Misato doesn't say she's trying to get revenge "for" her father, but rather that she might want revenge "on" her father. It adds another layer of complexity to her character, like she almost feels bitter that she's now indebted to her absentee father and wants to repay that debt so she can move on from him, which is a fun twist to the common trope of wanting to avenge one's dead parent.

Timothy Smith

Man outside of the original movie I never got into the remake movies. A lot going on

Hiren Patel

The rebuilds have a cool meta commentary about anno's mental health journey and how he has a healthier perspective now.

Jonathan Chin (edited)

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2026-09-09 01:00 Daddy issues and imposter syndrome to the brim. Casually fatalistic child soldiers. Doom narrowly averted. And this is a HAPPY episode! I'd recommend watching the director's cut for episodes 21, 22, 23, and 24, which are available on Netflix. There are added scenes that bring more clarity to the mythos. But watching the originally aired version is also fine; that was the experience its audience had at the time of airing.
2026-08-17 18:45 Daddy issues and imposter syndrome to the brim. Casually fatalistic child soldiers. Doom narrowly averted. And this is a HAPPY episode! [Edit: Removed a confabulationation]

Daddy issues and imposter syndrome to the brim. Casually fatalistic child soldiers. Doom narrowly averted. And this is a HAPPY episode! [Edit: Removed a confabulationation]

Scrub

Honestly I think a bit of time in between the original series and the rebuilds would be good, I say this as someone who thinks Eva is the peak of anime. Perhaps a couple months or a year down the line.

Petar

We need NANA reactions! Some love for Shoujosss

Jack SV

Nah if you touch the homie Robert then I’m spinning the block for him.

Yoshi444

Idc if it's under Milena's dictatorship or democracy, we really need Kaguya-sama. Not just for the fun, but for the characters too

Jack SV

You are right Lola. The first time I watched this anime I was 14 and back then I didn’t really grasp or understood very much the themes or even care to look too much into it because for me and my friend was just another edgy anime from the 90s. So yeah it’s very fair to assume for a kid watching this, that you wouldn’t get much of it. It wasn’t until I turned 18 when I realized and appreciate this anime more.. Hell I even dare to say I cried at the end of the show because of how much I can relate to some of the subjects here. So yeah.. this anime was and still is definitely for more mature audiences.

refo44

We need all the fake bots patreon accounts from Milena 😂

Jack SV

Im voting for this!

Robert Dirk H.

I hope my order will happen, I don't know if they will follow my suggestion. I think it would be the best schedule for the next 42/54 (3 + 13/25 + 36) weeks for the long anime slot. After Apothecary Diaries we could then watch - Fruits Basket - Kaguya-sama - Dungeon Meshi - March Comes Like A Lion - Demon Slayer - Dandadan - Nana

Flubbedsquid

Struggling to hold back my interpretation of Gendo until later in the series when the girls have more info

Kev

The versions they have are the director's cut. In fact, it's night impossible to get your hands on the non-director's cut, so I don't know why people always worry that they might accidentally watch the wrong versions.

Kev

Yes, the full complete original story is Neon Genesis Evangelion + End of Evangelion. The rebuilds are a separate thing. I understand that they try to make them the final version, but End of Evangelion was 1 year after the anime, not 25 years after.

Jonathan Chin

I don't think the fly me to the moon outro made it in the director's cut.

Kev

You only need to watch one movie, End of Evangelion. It was put into production immediately following the anime's conclusion and planned to be a definitive ending. The rest of the movies came out much slower, the final one in 2021. They are a new take on the series, so don't worry about making a decision on them until after you have completed the series + End of Evangelion.

Kev

I don't want to yuck anyone's yum, but I can't relate to suggesting going into the Rebuilds right after End of Evangelion. The original movie needs time to digest, along with the entire anime.

Kev

The "director's cut" are ONLY those four episodes. They don't exist for the first 20 episodes.

Jonathan Chin

IIRC, the director's cut came dangerously close to running afoul of copyrights on Sinatra's Fly Me to the Moon. As a result, though no other changes were made to 20 episodes, the outro was swapped for Rei's piano leitmotif.

Kev

I'm not sure what you're saying. The girls' version clearly has Fly Me to the Moon. You can hear it in their reactions. I think you're mixing it up with the fact that Netflix cut it out because they were dealing with a different copyright situation and didn't want to spend the money to gain the rights. There's a reason they aren't watching on Netflix, so please don't recommend that.

Kev

I doubled checked because I was able to figure out the version they have, and as I suspected the file names for Episodes 21-24 all have DC in them. Um... would it be too weird to ask you to edit your comment? It's just that they read the comments but probably aren't going into the replies to see how it resolves.

Kev

The girl in the intro who shows up after Shinji's friends is the class rep, she was in this episode and many previous ones. I think this is the second time you've pointed her out but not recognized her so may as well nip that in the bud.

Kev

Rei: I don't like meat Milena: She grew up on a farm 😇 Lola: CANNIBALISM 😨

Kev

Not to be a child soldier apologist, but the kids are their only option. Misato and the people at NERV live in a post-apocalyptic world, and humans can psychologically adapt to see something abnormal as normal very quickly. Since we only visit Evangelion for 20 minutes at a time, then we return to our own morals, naturally we can't relate. Even despite living in this world, Misato has many times expressed worry about Shinji's mental health and the fact that he doesn't want to pilot the Eva, including this episode.

Kev

Thanks. I assure you that I really want them to watch the director's cut versions, so if I thought they had the wrong versions I would also want to do something about it.

BluTsunami

I completely agree, as an adult I can understand the layers of the story far more than first viewing when younger.

Hiren Patel

Yeah I could see that maybe 6 months between EOE and Rebuilds but I feel its refreshing to watch all at once due to the differenes.

Resonant Curse

yeah the rebuilds are nonsense. it’s just a bad fanfiction

Matias Torres

god i need to see all the reaction chapters in one day to be happy :')

Samuel

No recordaba que tan bueno es este capitulo, tremenda joya

Sam

Man I have been waiting for Takopi forever 🙏

El tío Anonimus

Girls are you watching the rebuild movies after finishing the anime?

Kev

They haven't even confirmed if they're watching End of Evangelion, let's start there lol

Username123

Misatos character is in a tough situation, she’s the only adult that really cares about the kids. But her job also requires her to put them into dangerous situations. Also I like how shinji and misatos relationships to their fathers are similar, It makes you feel like Misato really understands shinji more so than anyone else in the show.

Dhaval Kale

I think you're underestimating kids a bit there. A lot of us watched this in early teenage years, a lot of us had depression due to various reasons - we understood more than you expect.

Dhaval Kale

I think the thing I didn't understand though - was around the young adult characters like Misato, Kaji and Ritsuko. I hated how messy their relationships were and their treatment of the child soldiers. Even now that I understand, I still find them uncomfortable

DontLeaveOnALoss

This one was low key heartbreaking, it's so relatable to yearn for acceptance and validation.

helghastra

Totally agree with this comment; I despise the "crosses are just for show" crowd with a passion; they are so insufferable. If you just look at the names of the angels and see how their powers/attacks are extremely close to the old/new testament (or apocryphal text in some cases) descriptions of the same angels. That alone should silence the Reddit crowd, let alone everything else in the show/

BCBaron

It's almost as if Misato blames the Angels for being the reason her father sacrificed himself to save her life, which then made it necessary for her to question/ re-evaluate her life-long hatred of him and the way he neglected his family. She convinces herself that destroying all the Angels will not only protect humanity, but also allow her to finally move past all of the conflicted feelings she has regarding her late father.

realHKV

But they are essential for the overall eexperiance , therapy and all.

Kev

That's only true from a completionist standpoint. Otherwise you are claiming that there was an incomplete experience for 24 years. Likewise, with the new Evangelion series coming out it turns out the rebuilds are incomplete! There's always new content that can be made, but it is undeniable that End of Evangelion was created to be the definitive *end of Evangelion*

weird0

A lot of people think Rebuilds are remakes... they are not.