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5.5 - Escalation

Sophia

“What exactly are you trying to do?”

Sophia was laying down on the roof of the barn, hands folded together over her navel as she watched from on high. as Karlach spoke to Hebert just a dozen or so feet to the east of the structure. 

Not like there was TV or internet or anything else here to do.

Next to the two were four of those massive Phase spiders. Wyll was helping Gale make tonight’s dinner, Lae’zel was training… again (because it bears repeating that there isn’t any TV or internet here) Astarion had gone for another of his walks… and she wasn’t sure what the others were doing.

Sue her, she didn’t have local omniscience.

The sun was setting now. The spelunking group had come back with a haul of items and a small army of spiders. 

Along with hundreds upon hundreds of spider eggs.

Hebert had an army of teleporting, venomous bugs.

They’d taken the time to test whether or not the spiders were ‘tame’ by just putting Hebert to sleep with a spell. They were tame.

And once that was confirmed, Gale, Barcus Durge and even Hebert herself wanted to experiment.

Because it turns out, they weren’t tame so much as the bugs kept on following the last orders Hebert gave them when she fell asleep.

So they’d had some of the spiders setting up a perimeter of thin, “warning webs” others were spinning row upon row of silk, and even more were setting up burrows to ambush if needed. 

And most of those ideas Hebert had come up with after they confirmed the bugs would follow those orders. 

Right now, Hebert was strapping on a pair of black boots on, the old beat up sneakers left to the side. “Just trying to see if this idea works.” Sophia heard her say to the fire woman. Shifting her weight around in the foreign footwear.

Just then a spider, one of those big teleporting Phase spiders walked on by, moving from its place beside its brethren under one tree, clear across to the other tree.

Hebert reached down, and seemingly swiped at empty air with her hand.

“Oh, hello, what exactly are each of you entertaining yourselves with?”

Barcus the gnome wandered on into her field of view, along with Madison, Emma and Scratch.

Apparently they’d been walking the dog.

Didn’t make much sense, the dog could shit literally anywhere no need to wal-

Oh… yeah. No TV or internet still applied. 

But immediately Sophia saw Hebert’s expression darken, she was turned away from Barcus, so he couldn’t see, but she could. Then that same expression shifted into utter and complete stillness. That blank stare that she’d all but perfected even before she got powers but now it was genuinely eerie just how unreadable she was, not even a hint of that hate and rage hiding behind her expression. 

Karlach turned, and the woman was aware of the sudden tension, unlike the gnome, but still she tried to be… diplomatic? Nice? Not making the new guy feel awkward?” “Oh just, testin some stuff out. You’re going where now?”

The gnome didn’t take the hint. 

“Oh, no we’re just returning.” He answered quite happily, petting the happily panting scratch. “I’ve heard of dogs. Never really met one. You don’t find any in the underdark.”

The subtle demand flew over shorty’s head, but not Emma’s. Sophia watched as the red-head, eyes fixed on Taylor who’s back was still turned for a very long long second before she turned away and started marching off without a word towards the barn.

That wasn’t like her…

The circlet glinted on her brow in the light of the setting sun reminding the Ward, quite sharply that her friend wasn’t ok.

The dog, tail wagging happily marched on up to Hebert, who watched it with that same blank expression before she reached up to pet it somewhat stiffly.

“What are you uh-” Madison, tried, very stifly to speak. “What are ya doing?”

“Got nothing to do?” Hebert finally spoke.

“Watch Scratch.”

…

Sophia had no idea if that was an honest answer. 

Hebert shook her head, scoffing. “Whatever.” as she stood up a second spider now walking by.

“Oh, does this have something to do with your insect control?” Barcus asked.

“Something like that-” Hebert answered him easily enough, and this time brought her boot up and seemed to try to… step on something?

But somewhere, her boot found resistance. Sophia squinted into the light, trying to see what was going on as Hebert… actually smiled.

And then stepped on empty air.

Hebert looked towards Karlach, and Sophia could hear the smile in her voice. “It worked!”

Karlach stared, blinking at the odd sight of Hebert walking on empty air. “How did you-” She looked towards the spider, blinking. “Oh- Oh you clever lil shit!” The fire woman started to laugh. 

Sophia still wasn’t getting the full picture.

“How are you-?” Barcus walked forward, crouching down to the floor, but suddenly, as his big ol head moved close, Hebert dropped.

But Barcus swiped at his face, grasping something Sophia…

No…

No she knew what he grabbed.

It was a universal sort of way everyone grabbed a random string of spider webbing.

“The webs!” Barcus smiled. “You can stand on the webbing!”

“Boots of web walking-” Hebert repeated the name of the boots in question. “If I’m ‘standing on it’ the webs will hold me up. But any other force like my hand of so on will break it. Potentially useful.”

As if to prove her point, smiling Hebert had the four spiders begin to teleport, and Sophia couldn’t see shit.

But Hebert moved and walked like she was climbing a staircase!

She saw Madison’s eyes go wide, and Karlach laugh, uproarious and delighted as Barcus nodded. “Very clever!”

It was clever.

Hebert had just given herself a freaking mover rating. 

Honestly it was… sobering, watching just how creative Twiggy could be.

And it made Sophia wonder just… when would she have applied it in school?

The locker must’ve been the trigger. Only thing that made sense. When would she have done something if they were back at Winslow? And… shit. They never would have seen it coming would they?

A black widow bite? A flying roach scaring Madison or Emma bad enough on the stairwell to make them trip, fall and break their necks.

Shit, Hebert had already had a scorpion on Sophia first night here, just a sting away from getting rid of her.

Sobering was definitely a very very fitting word.

The thought of getting rid of her, of killing her, crossed her mind again, but unlike before it barely even held her for a second before she dismissed it. Because she had to recognize it for what it was.

Fear. 

She was afraid.

Afraid of Hebert.

It was ridiculous, absurd.

And yet it wasn’t.

Because this world showed that it was a very very sane and realistic truth that Hebert’s power was dangerous.

And with her creativity, Hebert was dangerous.

…

Shit…

It not because  bridge wasn’t “burnt” so much as it was never built and the crossing was basically a lava flow by now, Sophia realized, very suddenly Hebert would actually be one of the few capes her own age, one of the few people her own age that she could actually get along with. 

She looked skyward. Thoughts rolling around in her skull and going nowhere.

—

When night came, the subject she hadn’t actually thought they were serious about; turns out, they were actually serious about. 

“Each of you must commend your souls to a God.” The Lizard said, red eyes passing over Hebert, Madison, Emma and Sophia herself. 

Each of the Faerunian’s, apart from Lae’zel and the Twink who were both watching in their own corners of the barn were looking almost grave at the severity of the discussion.

“I uhhh… think we’re missing something.” Emma spoke up with a thin, tense smile. 

“I do not know how it is in your world-” Healing girl spoke up archly. “But here, those who are faithless are condemned to the Fugue plane. Their souls wandering a grey, dead world incapable of leaving the city of Judgement for no God would lay claim to them.”

“Before long-” Boy Scout continued. “Those souls will lose their way, and be cast into the wall of the Faithless, writhing in tormented agony, their souls dissolving, being consumed by the structure, losing their identity and sense of self, an eternity of quiet despair forevermore.”

“Yeah and if that’s not bad enough, when a Devil needs a loan of Soul Coins they’ll do a quick run by the bank, and raid that wall for a couple thousand souls to make them currency.” Karlach added. “Ever want to be the way someone buys new underwear in hell?”

Were these people fucking for real?

Evidently- They were.

“This is known.” the Lizard said, staring straight at Hebert. “The Fugue plane is one that can be visited, the wall seen. Your safety is not guaranteed on this journey.”

Again, each of the Bet natives glanced at eachother, even Hebert looking at the three of them with that same, doubtful air.

“We uh… don’t even know what the Gods here are.” Madison shifted. “Like- we can say it but would it really make a difference?”

Shadowheart sighed. “You have not practiced any of their faiths and creeds, so the chances that they’ll take your souls is minimal but some chance is better than no chan-”

“I will carry your words.”

“JESUS FUCK!” There was no denying that Sophia jumped ten goddamn feet in the air with the fright she took. Withers suddenly appearing behind her from fucking nowhere. The walking Corpse staring at her before looking to Hebert, then Emma and Madison at last. 

“What you speak now will be heard.” The walking cadaver said in that same echoing voice he always had. “Should you perish, the God of your choosing will come to collect you from the halls of the city of Judgement.”

It was becoming a thing it seemed, because again, each of the girls had to take a moment to look at each other. 

Finally, Hebert sighed. “Who are the Gods then?”

And the group started talking.

And talking.

And talking. 

Because they had so very many many Gods. 

Amaunator, Bane, Auril, Cyric, Istishia, Tyr, Mystra, Myrkul, Torm, Azuth, Beshaba, Baast,  Selune, Shar, Shaundakul, Tymora, Kelemvor, Bhaal, Leira, Lliira, Chauntea, Gond, Helm, Deneir, Eldath, Grumbar, Hoar, Sune, Ilmater, Jergal, Tempus, Lathander, Mask, Loviatar, Malar, Mielikki, Oghma, Savraas, Silvanus, Talona, Talos, Umberlee, Valkur, Waukeen.

And on and on and on the list went.

Gods of the sun, water, magic, of justice, protection, song, death, murder, record keeping. Good Gods, Evil Gods, Neutral Gods. It looked like these people had Gods for every time they took a shit or something. 

She did notice something though-

“Some of these guys are from back home!”

“Huh?” Madison blinked, staring at her in open surprise. 

But Sophia nodded. “Yeah, you can only hear the Nazi fucks calling ‘Praise Odin’ or ‘Valhala’ so many times before you pick up a few things; Tyr.” She nodded. “He’s one of theirs from back home.”

“So’s Baast.” Hebert added. “Egypt.”

“It’s very likely then that the God of your world, the Abrahamic one you’ve described, is very much real. Likely he is the one claiming the majority of the souls lost there.” Mullet actually looked genuinely relieved. 

They were really freaking out about this. 

“Sitting on his ass more like.” She was just close enough to hear Hebert’s bitter utterance and… yeah. Yeah she had to agree. 

If Gods were real and they had one, then he really was sitting on his ass.

Maybe that’s why Scion had to step up or whatever. 

“Well.” Madison squirmed. “I-I guess since I’m trying to learn Magic by being a Bard, I should… follow them?” She looked at Shadowheart an apology in her expression. “Ummm… What was… err… her?”

“His name.” The half elf corrected. “Is Milil.”

“Then Milil.” Madison nodded and looked at Withers. “Um… I choose Milil.”

Withers nodded and then looked towards Sophia.

The corpse’s glowing silver eyes still gave her the creeps and Sophia tried, unsuccessfully to repress a shudder. “Fuck- give me a War god.” She blurted just to get the guy to look away, bran scrambling for the name. “Tempest.”

“Tempus.” Boy Scout said behind her.

“Yeah, him. Fine!” 

Withers nodded and looked away, and Sophia felt she could breathe again. 

When he looked to Emma, the red head stared back. “Let me… Let me think about it a bit.” Her friend smiled. “Seems like a big choice.”

Withers did not protest, instead looking to Hebert. 

Hebert just shrugged. “Tyr.”

Sophia turned towards her. “Going with the Nazi choice Hebert.”

“Just because the Nazi’s say it doesn’t make him theirs-” Hebert turned to glare at her. “Just like saying ‘Serve and protect’ doesn’t make you a Hero.”

Sophia snarled, turning and moving to march towards the twiggy bitch, but before she could even take a single half step, a living wall of fire and muscle was between her and Hebert, Karlach glaring, eyes glowing and a half second after that Wyll was between her and Karlach, hands held out as if to push the two of them away from each other.

“My word!” She heard Barcus exclaim somewhere off to the side, apparently finally getting the memo as to the tension.

Sophia growled, frustration tearing under her skin, and the back of her mind itched with the memory of her assessment just a few hours earlier. But her mouth moved on instinct, on reflex even as the rest of her was telling her otherwise. “She wants to talk big let her fucking square up on her own then!”

“Sophia.”

Surprisingly it was Emma who was calling to her, and Sophia turned to look, finding the Red head looking back with a serious expression; quietly shaking her head. Madison was looking down and away.

“Enough.” Durge’s voice rumbled like a thunderstorm off in the horizon. “One day you two will be allowed to have it out as you please. But tonight will not be that night.” 

“Oh I don’t know. Our evenings could always use more entertainment. An impromptu gladiator match would do wonders for how dreary the lot of you usually are.” Astarion giggled from his place on the second story, instigating with a fang toothed smirk. 

“Would you like to volunteer as a first act?” Durge answered with a dry look before shaking his head. “Everyone get some rest. Tomorrow, we leave for the temple at first light.”

Withers, was utterly unbothered. “Your words… have been heard.” He promised.

(X)(X)(X)

Taylor gets a new toy >:)

What could possibly go wrong?

And next chapter we get to the temple of Selune and this next arc CONCLUDES the "Druid Grove" at long last :D

Comments

Dorian Grizzle

Good chapter. My unasked for two cents: I don't think Sophia would know the word 'omniscience'. But that might just be my read.

Masofuts

Just looked them up. Pretty good choices for each. Emma not choosing is scary cause that’s some Shar bait if iver ever seen it.

Foxxin

My also unasked for two cents: I think forcing the D&D gods and Withers himself to be as big a deal as you seem to be making them out to be is cringe. As I understand it, the literal Overgod of Abeir-Toril that all Forgotten Realms gods- including Withers original godly identity- bowed to, was just the overgod of Realmspace, and not some all knowing omnipresent being that exists everywhere and nowhere at all times. The fact this story's premise seems to treat Earth as part of Realmspace in order for the Illithid to make the trip is unavoidable, but it really should just be ignored for everything else. The entire wormverse is just much too different and alien to the way Realmspace cosmology functions, it's much better to treat them as separate rather than parts of a whole. And Ao is a godlike being to even the other gods, yes, but there is nothing suggesting to my that even a being as powerful as him should have any prior knowledge of the Entities at all, let alone his underling Withers. Most of the gods of Faerun are NOWHERE near as powerful or dangerous as even a single shard, let alone full on entities, so the whole thing in that earlier interlude with Withers talking to Queenie was just really boring to me, and involving the girls with the gods, while seeming fresh and interesting on the surface, is actually genuinely uninteresting to me and comes of feeling more like just checking a box because it's the thing to do.

Ld1449

That just flatly is not true. The Gods play an *integral* role in the Baldur's gate franchize, always have. Regardless of the power you think they have or that they lack, which I disagree with, this *is* known and established lore in the FR setting. People by and large are pretty much "encouraged" at the end of a shotgun to worship because Gods NEED worship to survive. The fact that none of the Bet girls are religious *would* horrify the Faerunians and they would seek to at least do something to try and remedy the situation. This has nothing to do with the power of the Gods its entirely based on the realities of facing new cultures and the place they currenly reside within and its rules. It'd be like the Faerunians going to earth Bet and people not being horrified at one of them deciding to go for a swim in the beach when Leviathan is set to show up.

Foxxin

I'm not saying that the gods aren't integral to the BG franchise, or that the lore about being encouraged to swear to a god is bad/wrong and shouldn't be brought up at all, but what I AM saying is that to me, the Forgotten Realms are just so much *smaller* than and unlike the wormverse's cosmology in build and function, and irrelevant to the Entities in general, so they shouldn't have ANY influence on something like a shard the way Withers was set up as earlier. That's my main gripe. He can *know* about them, fine, say an entity passed relatively close-by Abeir-Toril at some point, whatever, but to say that an undead that *USED TO BE* a deity of death but *IS NOT ANYMORE* has the ability to just: [“Hmmm… Not unlike the Urge. Hmmm… Very well.” The Corpse man nodded, practically speaking to himself now. He held up his hand. “Be silent.”] -To Sophia's shard? That is just so out of left field and totally SoD breaking to me. That sort of ability and power is beyond his current station and plainly outside of his old domains of influence, even IF you subscribe to the gods of Realmspace being comparable to entities and/or their shards. My complaint about the girls choosing gods stems from this core issue: It feels like you are elevating the cosmology of one setting in order to put the onus on the girls to "fit in", when you could have done it in a much more interesting way, like for example, having the shards themselves "object" to another being claiming their hosts. At least then we would have the dichotomy between Madison and Emma, the normal girls being sworn/claimed, and Sophia and Taylor being showcases of just how alien to the lands they truly are. TL;DR: the way it SEEMS to be heading just reads as not having much friction, they just get told "hey, we swear to gods round these parts" and the girls all but immediately go native, one of the main things that make their side of the crossover stand out to the natives just going *poof* with no conflict.

Ld1449

The logic of Withers being able to do what he did is simple "Where matters of Balance are concerned, I am bid to act" as said by him directly in game. Taylor and Sophia being here is things "out of balance" Sophia threatening to murder Taylor because of her Shard's constant insistence was thus, unacceptable. Ergo he not only had the compulsion to act but the authority to do so. And because the Gods run on metaphysical concepts and laws, he thus had the *power* to silence the shard's influence on Sophia's agression drive.

Foxxin

Okay, but he is "bid to act" because his BOSS (Ao) is the embodiment of balance. Not Withers. Withers can be *bid* to act because it's his duty to serve, but the way he did just doesn't make sense for his role in the cosmology as a non-deity undead. Because he is effectively only a demi-god right now. My boss can bid me to make sure a client has a functional new computer, but that doesn't magically give me the ability to just point and say "you now have a new computer", I have to go through proper channels and make orders and have other qualified people do the stuff I can't do on my own. There's layers to this shit. It should be the same for Withers, not just a point and click adventure. He literally gave away his primary divinity BECAUSE he was bored, being able to just *make stuff work* goes against his character.

bottles499733

Just as a headcheck and to get another voice on this, it personally makes plenty of sense why the natives were so insistent about Taylor and co.'s godlessness, and it also makes sense how quickly they 'caved'. Death on this plane leads to entirely avoidable eternal torment and literally everyone would know that. The Brocktonites' skepticism is picked on and it is emphatically restated that the afterlife(s) is/are verifiably real and visitable. The gods are real and able to be communed with. Death without their investment is an endless nightmare everyone in the setting would know about, and avoiding that fate is trivial. Getting upset the Brocktonites humored everyone or that Faerun's cosmology has the audacity to be relevant is out of pocket and a little weird imo, but to each their own. I'd format this better but pushing Enter on mobile submits the post instead of creating a new paragraph, so apologies for the wall of text.

Questionable_Taste

Awesome chapter. Taylor showing off that munchkin brain we all know and fear, and the dedication towards Gods is actually really interesting, along with Withers(cough LITERAL JERGAL) causally saying "yeah I'll let them know dw about it." It would be cool to see Taylor learning about Tyr and actually trying to be a paragon of Justice, as having literal Divine Authority codifying right and wrong could actually really help her, as one of the biggest factors leading to her slide to Villainy was the realizing that law and justice were constantly bent by both the Hero's and Villains to serve their own ends, and Taylors biography could be summed up as "doing the wrong thing for the right reasons."

Masofuts

So Withers doing god stuff is a weird complaint to have 20 chapter after but whatever. Dude was able to bring the Durge back to life after an actual god killed them and purged their soul. So there issue solved, Withers is built different. If it makes it easier it’s more likely that Withers was able to interact with the Corona Pollentia or the meat parts of the power. It’s fine if you aren’t interested or concerned with D&D’s cosmology. It’s fine if you think that Shards would body them. None of that is actually in play though since Scion is still around. Those things barely have a concept of a personality let alone wills unless some major stuff is going on. The fact is that the characters can’t ignore this. The gods are active in this world. Fuck 4 of them are literally active, show up, influence, and talk to the characters in the source material. Not to be mean, cause honestly there’s a space battles forum where this is better made. But your disinterest isn’t criticism. Sorry you didn’t enjoy the genuinely interesting and fun lore and dialogue. Hopefully you’ll keep enjoying the rest

TellChris

Huh, my theory was that Taylor would pull off a (actually successful) Gale and kick out Lolth and take her place as a goddess. Seeing her pick a god was a surprise, but I guess it was a purely pragmatic decision with Wither's guarantee rather than any actual worship or even respect.

Foxxin

Again, I’m not complaining about the girls swearing to gods, I’m complaining about HOW it was handled, with those complaints stemming from the implications of that scene many chapters ago. If it weren’t for that scene I would have no gripes about the girls doing the swearing to gods thing other than think that the scene itself was a bit bland and checkbox-y in the sense that it’s “a thing that happened” with little fanfare. As for the resurrection of Durge, *that’s literally within Withers’ specialty* so it’s a terrible comparison. Just because a god killed durge, it doesn’t mean shit that an *undead demigod of death* has the power to *undo death*. That’s like, the ONE field I would expect him to be comparable in potency to shards. He shouldn’t be able to just point at an extradimensional super computer comparable to an elder brain at the very least and say “ey yo shut up”. That just doest make sense.

Foxxin

Missed the entire point of my complaint. It’s not the fact that what was done was done, it’s HOW it was done. You guys are talking about how my complaints boil down to wanting the BG cosmology to be trivialized, and yet my entire complaint is that it feels like the Worm cosmology is the one being trivialized because a fucking demigod told an elder brain equivalent, a god like being in its own right, to sit down and shut up. That core complaint is what is driving my dislike for how bland, frictionless, and immediate this swearing to foreign gods plot beat is. It could be so much better, doing the same thing in a different way, just by NOT having Withers punk a shard with a single word. Even just leaving the shard out of it and having Withers vaguepost about “how can I go about this?” and leaving things up to the imagination would have been a dozen times better. Make it feel like he can’t just wave his hand and fundamentally alter the biology of a city-sized extradimensional supercomputer as if that was his domain specialty.

Ld1449

Ok so, went out did some stuff and now I'm back. The way I understand your complaint is split into two parts. Edit: Hate that you can't press "Enter" on this stupid thing Anywho- two parts 1) Withers silencing the shard thus "diminishing" the Wormverse cosmology 2) The girls "deciding" to follow Gods here. For Withers- I'm gonna keep it real with you. I pretty much disagree with your takes on the relative powerscaling on almost every level, so on that front we are just fundamentally not even starting at the same point here. For instance, you keep comparing Sophia's shard to an Elderbrain equivalent. It's *not*. It's really, *really* not. Elderbrains are unbelievably intelligent, creative and most importantly, have eons of knowledge of both the material and arcane worlds. The shards by comparison are very very very very very specialized and advanced *calculators* They can do ONE THING. They can do that ONE THING exceptionally well, better than anyone. But they have zero creativity with it. Zero innovation with it. Zero capacity to grow on their own. Its why they latch onto lesser species to suplement their lack of creativity. An Elder Brain would flatly just outclass them in every way. The comparison you're making is the equivalent to comparinga 1980's "super computer" to a modern day gaming laptop. The 1980's super computer is big it takes up tons of space it's very "impressive looking" but the Modern Day gaming PC just flatly outclasses it in every category outside of "tonnage" That's basically the difference between an Elderbrain and a Shard, especially a lesser/non-noble shard. So even if the Raw "output" of potential power is much higher, which I think is debatable, the Elderbrain would far and away punch above its already considerable weight class with its creativity. *alone* Secondly, It is *canonically* stated that Entities/Shards have outright avoided any universe/location that has magic because magic can feasibly harm them. Thus, neither entities nor shards have ever gathered any kind of arcane knowledge/defense in any cycle. That's why Queen coming here was her basically "going rogue" and off the grid. Dovetail this with their utter lack of creativity Withers doesn't need to be particularly powerful to shut down Sophia's shard because he's using the one tool they have literally no defense or concept of, Magic. The Shards are bullet proof, Knife proof, Missile Proof, Laser, Plasma, Rock proof etc and then Withers comes in and pelts them with 'Bullshit' in a metaphorical sense. Something they are utterly unprepared for/blind to. GALE could have done this if he knew what to target. So could Elminster, or even a powerful enough Shadowheart. Godly power wasn't needed, Knowledge of what and where to hit was the barrier. Now as for your second complaint about the girls accepting the Gods... I'm gonna be honest I don't see the correlation here at all. The girls have no knowledge of what Withers did. They have no interactions with him beyond the bare minimum and they have no reason to cling to the Abrahamic Gods or reject these Gods. None of them are particularly devout back home and beyond stiff necked pride there's nothing that's stopping them from taking the bare minimum ammount of lip service here to secure themselves "just incase" or even to just give their traveling companions peace of mind. So on that front I'm not really sure what the issue is, but I'm happy to expand on it if I've misunderstood or missed something.

Bogan Tofan

I would still love to see Emma god of choice.

Foxxin

Well for one, the entities don’t canonically *anything* with magic, because true magic canonically *doesn’t exist* in the wormverse. I don’t know where you got the idea they avoid magic worlds from, because they straight up aren’t part of the cosmology. Both of these universes, gods and entities, should be out of context problems for each other. Which brings me to a good point you made: entities don’t have context for magic, so withers can magic bullshit go! them. But on the flipside, HE shouldn’t have any context for them, other than that they’re Foreign. His magic bullshit go! shouldn’t It Just Works on them without issues, especially not as casually as it did. As for the power disparity… yeah I guess we just aren’t going to agree, because I personally think that while making most minor gods and most shards roughly equivalent would be the best choice for any story in almost any fantasy setting… that’s almost always a LOWBALL of the the entities and only works because any random shards is less than a trillionth of a full entity. And the comparison to an elder brain is an even lower low ball. The “uncreative” tag the fandom has labeled shards with is one of the worst things to happen to the verses fanfiction IMO. It’ll take too long to go into it, so I’ll set that aside, but just say that Ryuugi had a great comment/rant about it in a post on their story Sect, I believe. Basically, it boils down to “lacks creativity” is the wrong way to phrase it and almost the entire fandom misunderstands and mischaracterizes shards nature. And lastly, for like the third time, my complaint about the girls swearing to gods is not about the event itself, but about the surrounding context of my main complaint about how you’re handling the gods in general. Taken all together, I would not have had a complaint about it other than the scene being a little dull, if it weren’t for that surrounding context. WITH that context, the scene being goes from being a little dull, to a completely missed opportunity for literally a dozen different potential side conflicts caused by friction between the realmspace gods and the shards; but because you neatly sidestepped that by essentially trivializing the shards on the grand scale… that’s my complaint. It’s basically just that the girls’ scene compounds the greater complaint I have. Now to be clear, I still greatly enjoy this story, but it is my subjective opinion that it would be significantly better if the gods and shards stayed vagueposting in the background on undefined levels of influence, with there being potential for actual cross-verse conflict or struggle. Aka: my preference is for Withers wank and shard whorf to be smited into oblivion because it’s far less interesting if the shards are literally just “unusual warlock-like powersources”.

Ld1449

Magic is part of the cosmology. Wildbow has written other works where magic exists and has said in his WoG's that they exist in the same "Wormverse" and that entities have avoided these alternate earths because of the magic within them because magic can harm them.

Foxxin

No. Magic is not part of the cosmology. Wildbow has said as such, and these other works you’re talking about only reference each other as easter eggs. He puts easter eggs like that in ALL his works. The universe of Pact is literally just a book series in worm, the Maggie Holts books. He has stated over and over that Worm is a strictly “physical” universe; but also stated that if that WERENT the case, the entities would treat magic just like any other scientific novelty they discovered, observing and dissecting like any energy system or field of physics. Worm does not have magic in the cosmology, that is fanon by fans of his catalogue of works not understanding that each of his universes reference the others, and ALWAYS in a fictional manner. Parahumans is literally the Marvel superhero equivalent of the pact verse.