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The Expanse Reaction 5X01 (Patreon)

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2025-08-27 15:00:16
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2025-09-01 22:19:26
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Hello All!   

Really enjoyable opening episode to season 5. Everyone has their own missions they're facing. Naomi is off to find Filip; Alex is trying to reunite with his family, Amos is laying to rest someone he cared for, Bobby is working with Chrisjen I believe to help with the mess on Mars, while Chrisjen is trying to locate Marco, Holden is trying to convince Fred NOT to mess with the Protomolecule and Elvi is trying to run tests on what she experienced over on Ilus! It's all going on!! BUT what's Drummer doing and is she okay with the loss of Ashford????

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Chad K

"I feel Season 5 is gonna be a banger" - Yes that is correct

RocktSurgeon

Absolutely love this season. I think its right beside Season 3 as best for me, with the rest in a jumble I'm not sure I could sort out. All the great main line plot and usual high drama aside, there is some really great character development and outstanding acting from a few of the cast in particular. One scene really stands out for me in this episode (besides the one with 'Chrissy', haha). I love how they shot Amos's scene on the freighter, only showing us the fight in flashes while he's coming down from the adrenaline after it's done. It feels to me like he's just so tired of it and probably has been for a long time even if we rarely see cracks like this in the thick armor always weighing him down outside moments like telling Alex that he shouldn't wish to not feel fear. Amos is a very complex character and I've always thought he's a uniquely great portrayal of one path a deeply traumatic past can put someone on. On the surface he can seem nearly amoral, almost sociopathic and only doing 'good' because of the people he latches onto as guiding stars like Naomi and eventually Holden but I think it's the opposite. He clearly does have his own sense of 'good' that includes altruism and kindness and it is most obvious in who he looks up to, and not just who he chooses to follow but why he makes that choice. He doesn't depend so much on others to make 'the right choice' for him because he isn't able. The choices he had to make to survive the horribly traumatic past we've only gotten hints of has left him not believing in his own goodness or decision making. He doesn't think he's able to make the 'good' choice so he settles for the practical one unless told otherwise. We don't see amorality from him, just a very fractured and painful self image that shows through the cracks like the adrenaline crash of surviving by hurting others. Anyway, circling back I have to say season 4 has grown on me with time. For a long time I would've easily said I liked it the least even though I always felt it was worth it for how it sets up this season- but realized rewatching through your reactions that its right there in the pack now. The moments of vulnerability from Amos when he thought he was going blind are among the reasons.

RocktSurgeon

One other bit- Marco is a really great villain. He's a true narcissist and horrifying for a lot of reasons, but it's important to recognize that just like the most successful and destructive real life 'villains' much of what he says to justify himself and gain followers is objectively true whether or not he actually cares about it beyond the self importance it gives them. Like every colonized people in Earth's history Belters are oppressed and exploited for their resources while being seen by the people of the inner plants as too distant and different to empathize with- even as less than 'human' by many. Last season's Murtry was the poster child for the entitlement Earth and Mars corporations feel to anything they can extract. Marco is completely right that it needs to change, and tells people everything they want to hear- promising to punish the people that have hurt them and bring change. It's no surprise people desperate for any sense of control would want to see their oppressors bleed for once. It doesn't justify the harm aimed at other personally innocent people like the passengers of the Augustin Gamarra but it does mean people like Inaros are created, or at least empowered, by the very real damage inflicted on the Belters and real peoples like them.

Thadman

I actually disagree with your take on Amos. He stated in S1 that he believes in "the churn", but more specifically, he said that he believes there's only 3 types of people. Bad people that need to be punished, people you need to protect and good people you follow. Everything he's done fits into that very simple framework. He does not make moral judgment, because of his trauma, he's lost the ability to recognize that. He has to be around good people he trusts and take his cues from them. When he was on Ilus, he protected that kid because children should always be protected, coming from how he was not properly protected as a child. He IS a very simple character because his trauma has burned away his nuance. We, who have not been so traumatized at a young age, are more complex characters and we can't really understand someone like him, so we put onto him that he's complex. It's just that we can't comprehend how simply he lives. We live in a colorful world, but his is more black and white and it's hard for us to imagine. I wouldn't say he's amoral, he just doesn't know how to choose the moral thing to do on his own. His main priority is survival. His own first and his "family" a close 2nd and he'll do whatever to insure that. His actions to insure that, immoral or not, he won't think about it much after because "it had to be done." He doesn't want to be a "bad person who needs to be punished," so he aligns himself to people he feels are good like Naomi, Holden, Prax and the Reverend Doctor Anna, whom he feels (besides Holden) fall into the category of people who he needs to protect. I feel like the only people he truly can empathize with are children because that was the last time he had strong emotions, before he was traumatized and he knows no child should ever go through that trauma. It's why, when Prax was thinking about giving up on finding Mei alive, Amos set him straight about how children should always have someone who doesn't give up on them and if not their parents then who? He also protected Prax as a father by not letting him become a killer. Prax was a good man now, who knows how he would've raised Mei after he became a killer? I also don't think that he doesn't think he can make a good choice so he settles for the practical one, he DEFAULTS to the practical choice automatically, without thinking about it because, in the moment, that feels right to him. Think of all the times that Holden or Naomi or Anna steered him toward the right choice and he disagreed because it wasn't, what he'd consider, the practical thing. He then trusts them enough to go along with their choice because he knows they can tell right from wrong better than him.

Thadman

I think Naomi is correct in her assessment of Holden only making the situation worse if he came with her. Not because he's a bad guy or makes bad decisions, but because of the dynamic of the situation. Marco is a terrorist who hates Inners and Holden is one of the most famous Inners there is. PLUS, Holden is with his ex now, the mother of his child. Holden's presence would infinitely complicate the situation, which is already delicate. I didn't even think about what you said, that she was trying to protect Holden, but that's also piled on top of everything else. Even if Marco didn't hate Inners and he wasn't a terrorist, imagine if his ex came to his door, wanting to take his son with her while bringing along her famous new beau. Just in regular relationship terms, that'd be a big "Oof." Now throw in terrorism, murder and galaxy spanning politics. Best not to throw on any unnecessary accelerant to the already burning fire.

Thadman

The Amos/Chrisjen "Chrissy" scene is one of my favorite scenes in the whole series. I think he might possibly love Chrisjen more than you. 😁 Remember when Holden had come from a meeting with her and Amos asked how was she and Holden said something about her emotional state, but Amos said, "No, I mean, 'What was she WEARING?'" with a big smile on his face. I feel you're right about Bobbie being in a terrible mood and she took it out on Alex, but it also had the feel that she'd been hearing about his situation already and feels he's deluding himself. She wasn't in the mood to coddle him. Alex knows he's done his family wrong, but he doesn't seem to be really facing up how thoroughly he's hurt them and that they've moved on because they had to. He's either got very thick skin or he's deluding himself and it feels to me more like that latter.

Thadman

I couldn't help but chuckle over your summation because you sound like you don't have a nose. 😂 Hope you feel better soon and that it's nothing serious.

Isak Haugerud

Season 5 is upon us, I can't wait 😁 Get well soon! (My nose was just as stuffy as yours just a week ago)

DakaraJayne

Hope youre feeling much better now 💓

Isak Haugerud

Thank you, yes I'm almost fully recovered now. I hope you'll have a quick recovery as well 😊

Robert

I hope you feel well soon. What is Marco up to? He seems to have set something in motion, and whatever it is does not feel good' Naomi is right to leave Holden behind, he's too recognizable. Marcos would see him and start looking for Naomi.. Naomi, though, could move around unnoticed as long as Holden's not there. not there. Love the exchange between Amos and Chrisjen. Now every time I see her I'll mentally call her "Chrissy". It might just be Amos being Amos, but I think he has the hots for her. Alex is in a bad place. He wants to see everything as okay. For him it's all fun and games, he can't(or won't) see that everything has changed. That a rot has crept in and taken over. Bobbi is trying to get to the root of this rot(no I couldn't think of a better metaphor, so . feel free to berate me for mixing them.),and sees Alex trying to wash it away. She told him to open his eyes; he did, and didn't like what he saw.

Polly

I agree with a lot of this, but Belters are not a colonised people. They are colonists from Earth and Mars who initially went to exploit the Belt on behalf of their home planets. Over time they grew to resent not being given a fair share of the spoils of their labour and grew rebellious, like the American colonists who resented being taxed without having a say in how they were governed.

Polly

Thanks for soldiering on Dakara - great reaction in spite of the stuffed up nose. I really like Season 5 - so many interesting twists and character interactions. I'm on board with hating Marco for spacing Ashford, but let's not forget that Ashford voted to do the same to him.

Toed

Get well soon. I'm actually exited for the rewatch of this season. This first episode is positioning, buildup and a countdown. They really know how to build suspense. I agree that the Amos - Avasarala scene is notworthy. I think Chisjen likes the no nonsense and, more so, no theatrics of Amos. Not that Amos could put on a mask even if he wanted to do so.

Beat Conductor

So uhm, I hope you have your needoh or something handy for this season. In case you need to unleash the beast.

PongPong31

"I'm a member of parliament, not your favourite stripper" "You could be both" One of my favourite interactions in all of The Expanse. Haha. I think I've said it before, but I ship it. Amos and Chrisjen just have so much chemistry together. I pray for more scenes of just the two of them. Off to a great start. Remember how all of us were hyping up S3? Season 5 is insane. You're not ready Dak.

RocktSurgeon

About Amos- I think your take is valid, but the difference for me is in the same comment you reference about 3 types of people. What determines the 'good' people he follows? That was my entire point, the difference between 'deserving' to be followed or protected vs 'deserving' punishment comes from somewhere. I'm not saying he's any GOOD at making moral decisions, especially in the moment of a decision. As I said, he doesn't trust himself to make those decisions. He spent so long purposefully ignoring the morality for his own survival that he built it into a habit. Ignoring something doesn't make it go away, though. A sense of morality still has to be there for him to recognize others as good or bad, worth following or not. Or to look back and see some of his survival based decisions as wrong- “I”m trying to make decisions, but they seem to be the wrong ones.” We see Amos around protecting not just children but the vulnerable he sees as 'good people'. He doesn't just protect Prax physically, but even from becoming a killer which he recognizes as a harmful difference. He isn't really protecting Prax because he's "part of the family group" so much as Prax becomes part of the family group because Amos recognizes the good in him and the amount of love Prax has for his daughter. You take for granted that Prax is a good man, but for Amos to care about that and think protecting that person is itself a moral judgement not at all based in personal or group survival. The moment Amos tells Volovodov he will protect her is responding to her talking about the importance of finding ways to help and accept each other from both sides of the conflict after all it is over- again, a moral judgement that this is good and worth protecting. The clearest support for me is in who he sees as worth following- in particular with Holden since we actually see that relationship develop (vs not directly seeing how he comes to trust Naomi's judgement so much). The people he follows are the ones that tend on the side of moral good and he even directly says so about Holden. From the end of Season 2- --Amos : In case I have to kill you, I just wanted to say thanks. You made some pretty stupid choices since you’ve been in charge, but you were always trying to do the right thing. --Holden : Hmm? Yeah. --Amos : That came out bad. I mean, you were always trying to be a good man. Not everybody does. Thank you. It’s nice not having to worry about being on the right team. Holden's choices are often the opposite of purely practical/survival in favor of trying to do good and Amos still sees that as the right thing, as trying to be a good man. Following someone for the good they do is very much a moral decision.

RocktSurgeon

I'd probably agree that saying they are 'a colonized people' themselves isn't exactly the right choice of words, though in my defense I was intending mostly as a comparison to colonized people. It's messier than that, sure, but they are still in the same imperialist/colonial system whether the people began as part of the side in power or not and the end result is largely the same. It's an extraction economy designed to get as much value from the subordinate population as possible with disproportionate benefit going to (the elite of) the empire. The comparison to the American Colonies is the obvious one, and it was on my mind a bit with what I wrote, but I specifically didn't name them. I think it's misleading in the same way the authors have said Expanse's UN and Mars don't directly align with the easiest comparison to the Cold War NATO and USSR even though you can certainly draw some valid connections. The colonies were a fairly homogeneous group culturally, and fundamentally life in the colonies wasn't so different from life for non-elites in the Imperial core of the British Isles. The vast majority came from the Britain speaking English/having very similar cultures to each-other that were still not so different from their origin by the time of the revolution. Their day to day life (especially by the revolution) was also pretty similar to comparable parts of British society. In contrast, the Belters came from far more diverse cultures with many languages that had been spread across the planet and were forced into close quarters, with immediate reliance on each other for survival and leading to things like their own fairly distinct language in Belter Creole as a combination of languages. Their cultures were forced to blend into something new by both the proximity and the very different survival needs. Between that, and the physical differences that emerged like difficulty tolerating gravity make the relationship Inner Planets (esp Earthers) have to the Belt being closer in practice to oppression of a colonized 'other' group. At the same time, empires don't just work to dehumanize external 'colonized' peoples, they tend to do the same (if to lesser extent) to segments of their own internal population. The British Empire may not have been as blatant about their lower classes being less 'human' as with, say, Asian Indian or Chinese but they certainly treated their lives as cheap when pressing them into Naval service and expecting them to work hard/constantly for very little reward compared to the extracted value. The Belters don't just resent being taxed or having less say in government, their lives are fundamentally different in ways much like tenant farmers and the like differed from the land owning class. Belters have far shorter more dangerous lives entirely built around providing rich resources they never see the benefit of, treated more as 'employees' providing a value in a company town paid in company script.