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Buffy The Vampire Slayer Reaction 4x22 (Patreon)

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2022-09-20 11:16:33
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2022-11-01 11:27:34
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Hello All!

This episode is one of a kind & it sent me on a wild spiral of confusion & over analysing. What is with that darn Cheese Man?!!! Hahaha. I loved the idea that the scoobies becoming one, lead to the connection with the first slayer, I can't wait to hopefully delve into this further in S5?! 

I have done a separate video of my predictions/analysis of this episode which I will post shortly, I hope you enjoy. 

Look forward to reading your comments as always, have a lovely week everyone! Thank you for the constant love & support!

Much love

Dakara x

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Raven Dark

I'm rewatching some of these, because I'm supposed to be working, and I can't believe I just caught something just now, after seeing this episode what has to be dozens of times. So, season 5's third episode was the one with two Xanders. In Xander's dream here, there is a brief moment, when he's talking to Buffy in the sandbox, where he looks across the way, and there is another Xander looking back at him from the ice cream truck. Essentially, there are two Xanders existing at the same time in the dream, and Xander is the only one in the episode that has two of him.

Raven Dark

Also, "I hate this show. I hate this stupid show." *Cackles like a maniac*

SORPunk

That was an awesome episode. Really dig the art. And I think, at least on the surface, Buffy putting mud on her face was the start of the war paint the First Slayer had. Very Predator. Put mud all over your body to camouflage your body heat from monsters. So, on the surface again, It was her taking her first steps to becoming a new level of Slayer. But with so much symbolism in this, you can pick it apart for days.

Macca Fan

The poem written by Sappho is called Ode to Aphrodite.

Purple Nurple

FYI The Dropbox link has the reaction, but the google link goes to a different video - your anaylsis video.

DakaraJayne

Are you clicking through email or Patreon itself?

Purple Nurple

ah the post has been fixed now. I did click on the post google link as well as the email.

Merkavar

Cheese man for president!

Ed Green

For me this episode will forever symbolise the transition between childhood and adulthood. Before it, they were no more mature than freshmen. Now, they have processed their current issues and united to defeat Adam. The fact that I first watched it at 21 right after graduating helps with that sense.

Merkavar

Just 40 mins of confused looks and WTFing

Meredith

I wear the cheese, it does not wear me!

Bart Aansorgh

So... this episode... Since its a dream sequence there are tons of ways to interpret it, and you've nailed quite a few of em in this, and your other video about it. I enjoyed hearing your theories on the cheese man, who knows what it ends up being. The things willow wrote on Tara's back btw, is a greek poem, written in greek about two women in love (if i remember correctly). Theres a lot of vague symbolism and also references. Unfortunately i'm not gonna be able to put too much of my thoughts on paper here because my thoughts on this are coloured by having seen the entire show multiple times.

Dave Ford

Those weren't 'Wiccan' lines Willow was writing on Tara's back, they were greek love poems by Sappho of Lesbos, an ancient Greek female poet. So, that wasn't a reference to Tara and Willow doing Wicca things together, but a refernce to them doing Sapphic things together.

Ben Kelly

Really looked forward to watching this one with you, Dakara - it did not disappoint! FYI - The Dropbox video seems to be cut off about a minute before the end. The one on GoogleDrive is fine.

Neil Silverman

I wear the cheese... it does not wear me!

Koz

A Watcher scoffs at gravity. Anyway, The Exposition Song easily gets stuck in my head.

Ian

man this episode i gave up after 20mins it was literally doing my melon in im convinced the writers were on crack holy moly

Raven Dark

From what I've heard, The Cheese Man means nothing. He was inserted because the writers wanted one thing that was in all the dreams that has no meaning at all, because dreams often have things like that in them. You could be right about the part with Xander and Joyce, that it's exactly what it looks like, meant to represent a hidden attraction to her, but it could also be because she made a pass at him in season two, Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered, when that spell backfired and caused every female in Sunnydale to become attracted to him. Well, every woman except Cordy. It's also possible that it's both.

PaulC

Hey Dak, been waiting for this reaction as it's one of my favourite episodes and I'm glad you were into it! It's an unconventional end to the season, but it works, and I think in part that's because (for me at least) the Adam storyline was a bit underwhelming, so it's nice to have all of that stuff wrapped up and to finish with a deep dive into our main characters. Looking forward to your thoughts on the season as a whole before we get stuck into season 5!

denmaroca 2

I was smiling at the look on your face when watching this episode, which I'm sure was exactly the same as mine when I first watched it, though better looking! (Do you like the ambiguity there? Which is a bit of a hint.) I'll save any further comments for your analysis video...

William Lawrence

Holy moly, just realised what the next episode is.... The next episode did something to me, I'll comment when it gets uploaded lol.

Julian Welton

I really love this episode! This one and one coming up in season five are two of the best episodes of the entire show. The one in season five is unusual like this one but in a very different way. You were dead on with your analysis at the end here. Buffy's imo was mostly about the loneliness of being the slayer. The struggle between knowing that the slayer is supposed to be a solitary guardian and the desire to keep her friends and loved ones. Her being alone in the desert. Constantly searching for her friends throughout the dream. I think is supposed to represent the growing weight of the responsibility of it all and how it is always, at the end of the day, up to her. So despite what she wants, despite even having her friends around, she is alone. She's also always struggled with the brutality of it all. She hates it. She hates killing and violence, hates being covered in blood and guts, and hates knowing that that's all her life will ever be. Notice how Riley, her sub conscious, kept calling her "killer"? She has a little more in common with Faith than she realizes, I think. Also, a quick note about Xander that I don't know if you remember, but it's been hinted at throughout the show that Xander has an abusive home life. Perhaps not physically but certainly verbally and the overall environment is bad. He's mentioned sleeping outside to avoid his parents fights and alcoholism for sure. Point being that all definitely plays into the trapped feeling you were describing about the basement.

Ed Green

I would argue that while the Cheese Man may mean nothing, his words do mean something.

G.Un.

I don't want to start discussing the meaning or the interpretation of this or that scene in the episode, at the moment, maybe I'll say something under the analysis video, I want instead to focus a little more on the cinematographic aspects of the episode. I really enjoyed the visuals and the construction of the different scenes, I don't even know how many times I rewatched this episode, and I'm sure that even on the set they had a great time. This episode gave them the opportunity to experiment with the camera movements, the framing, the lighting, and the editing, which would not normally find a place in more conventional linear narrative. Anyway, as much as I like it, I don't think it's perfect, how boring would be if everything would be perfect with no space for improvement, so I have, let's say, some constructive criticisms. 1-The choice of Tara to give voice to the first slayer, who belongs to a time before civilization, ting and even the language, is perfect. Her character, sweet and innocent, is basically the total opposite of the power of the slayers (the first slayer is more the embodiment of such power than the actual first slayer), also, of course she has the perfect voice for the role. Anyway I find the idea to let the first slayer speak at the end, especially in that way, quite clunky, and embarrassing. I would have let Tara do the talking from start to finish. 2-The fight between Buffy and the first slayer … the camera, the framing, the hard cut between the fighting score and the complete silence … absolutely beautiful. Anyway I've always felt the lack of a third sequence, a few seconds, between the first and the last to make the scene perfect. 3-Snyder quoting Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now. This is clearly a direct reference that is way different from an hidden reference. I'm sure that there are specific words to describe them but I really can't remember any, I hope to be able to explain myself anyway. I remember being taught to be really careful using direct references because it's wrong assuming that your readers, or viewers, share the same knowledge as you, so they could find hard to understand what you are trying to convey through your reference. In this case, if you didn't watch Apocalypse Now or, at least, read Heart of darkness, it's tricky to understand exactly the meaning of Snyder's monologue and how it fits in Xander's dream. To clarify, an hidden reference works without requiring any knowledge of the source material. For example, in the very first episode, when Buffy enters the crypt, she references Young Frankenstein. If you got the reference, great, if not, you didn't even realize that there was a reference in the scene. Don't ask me how to fix the scene, I'm not a professional screen writer nor I pretend to be one, I just see that as an issue in the scene. 4-The cheese man. Quoting directly Joss Whedon: “He has no meaning, because there is always something in a dream that doesn't make any sense at all”. After receiving tons of requests for explanations about the cheese man he concluded that he succeeded in his goal, but I think that he was wrong. The way they presented and framed him, everything he says, convinced a lot of people that he clearly had a specific meaning, even if there were a lot of disagreement about the exact meaning, especially in an episode like this one cramped with allegories and metaphors. When so many of your viewers perceive something that is the opposite of what you wanted to convey, you can't call it a success. I thought about Dakara's comment about how she still doesn't feel connected with Tara, and how this could have been solved if they would have gave us a couple of scenes, here and there, with Buffy and Tara alone, and maybe another couple with Buffy and Anya too. Buffy is basically the glue, the catalyst around whom the scoobies shaped, having a couple of scenes like that would have brought the viewers to see Tara and Anya like actually part of the gang, and less just someone who is there only because is Willow's girlfriend, or Xander's girlfriend. A last observation, probably stupid and pointless. Did you notice that, when it comes to sex, they always show Buffy having sex, in a modest and PG way of course, but never with all the other characters? Not for Willow, or Xander, or even Giles. At best they show us the moment just before and then the moment after. Why? I have no idea, I just found it interesting and peculiar.

Stargazer1682

This episode always makes me wonder if Alyson frequently stepped on people's cues; because that seems like the sort of in-joke Joss would make.