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Buffy The Vampire Slayer 5x07 (Patreon)

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Hello All!

I really enjoyed this episode guys as painful as it was. Seeing Buffy struggle is always hard though. Very emotional & seeing Spike struggle with his feelings too was so interesting to me. The scene at the end was so strong. Not many words spoken but the weight of it was heavy. JOYCE BETTER BE OKAY!

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Jack

I am SO excited for this episode, and so sad that I won't be able to watch it for about 24 hours!!

Ed Green

I'm ecstatic that I can now watch this before I have to leave for work at 1pm as opposed to after I get back at 10pm.

x_Rhi_x

Aahhhhh one of my favourite eps! Can't wait to watch this evening!

Purple Nurple

I LOVE this episode so much. The way it was directed was great. And the fact he stole his famous leather jacket from the slayer he killed - genius!

Marty Beck

Absolutely BRILLIANT episode! So we'll done and chocked full of Spike lore. Sarah and James crushed it!

denmaroca 2

In School Hard Spike said the last Slayer he killed begged for her life. but that is not what is shown here. Then again, he was probably not speaking to yet-to-be-born Buffy at the time! (Did you notice this is when and where Spike got his coat?) Also in School Hard, Giles recounted that Spike tortured his victims with railroad spikes and was also known as William the Bloody. Seems he decided to own the insults from his human days. (We've seen that new vampires tend to cut a blood swathe through their human acquaintances. Makes you wonder what happened to Cecily and the others.) As a vampire he said he was no longer going to follow society's rules. But that was also true of his human self (within the limits of being a good man). Seems Spike is often defined (antagonistically) by others view of him. His whole punk/Goth demeanour is basically a uniform. We see that Spike killed his first slayer in 1900. But we saw in Five By Five that Angelus was cursed with the return of his soul in 1898! Spike is very empathic. But then, so is Angelus. The difference may be that William was in love (albeit unrequited) when sired, whereas Liam was a drunkard and woman-chaser. But, there are plenty of human psychopaths who are also very empathic. It doesn't in itself make you a good person.

Raven Dark

Actually, I wonder if Spike was just embelishing to make himself sound like more of a badass. LOL Espeially since we was talking to vampires he wanted to impress, and the Anointed One was in attendance. In this episode, he said to Buffy that he's always been bad, but then when we flash to William, he's a sensitive, sweet poet. :D So we know Spike is far from a reliable witness.

Jack

This is the episode where anyone who might love Spike finally falls in love with Spike. I’ve read in another comment section (no idea what the source for this is) that the unusual empathy and strong personality among Angel, Spike, Dru, and Darla is due to being part of the Master’s bloodline: apparently all those vampires who are descended from him are more human and less demonic for some reason. Again I don’t know the original source for that.

Merkavar

argh so much 2nd hand embarrassment from human spike

Phoenix Dawn

One of my most fave episodes!

m.,

Ah yes. Spike. the great big walking talking wonderful conundrum.

Christopher simeon

Interestingly Buffy hides being vulnerable in different ways this episode. she hides being vulnerable physically from her wound from her mom and tries to hide it from spike but he discovers it and later in the episode she emotionally hides being sad and worried from her mom by going to the backyard and again spike discovers it. Old spike (or William) is a lot like Riley. He even seeks out danger this episode and blows up those vamps. Both have a need to prove they are worthy of being loved.

Thom Purdy

This is on a lot of fans top 5 episodes of the series. I love seeing the "evolution" of Spike. He's sired. His name and accent. The Chinese slayer giving him his eye scar. Then we jump forward to when he has his hair. And, finally he gets his iconic leather coat from the NYC slayer. This is a brilliant episode! Special shout out to director Nick Marck!!

Claire Eyles

I've always seen Spike as a romantic, as in the romanticist sense of being a 'romantic'. The Romantic movement of the 19th century was all about stuff like elevating intense emotions into an aesthetic experience, free expression of artists' feelings, individualism, and so on. In season 3's 'Doppelgangland', when Willow says, 'I think I'm kinda gay", Buffy goes to reassure her that a vampire's personality is nothing like the person they were in life, and Angel begins to correct her when he starts to say, "Well actually...". This would indicate that a person's core personality doesn't necessarily change when they're turned, and if anything becoming a Vampire intensifies what was already there.

x_Rhi_x

Yes, spike is indeed very sensitive as a vampire, as in life. As a human he was also very romantic and emotional. His vampire self seems to warp all this emotion into passion and obsession. Like in the s2 finale where he knocks dru out and kidnaps her to stay with him. And he's of course mixing his feelings of lust and hate for buffy because he doesn't have the human capacity to deal with such intense feelings. So he has no soul but still seems to portray emotion maybe even love, though in a twisted sense.

x_Rhi_x

Also the scene in 1998 took place after the s2 finale and dru can already tell that spike's feelings for buffy are obsessive but I believe she already knows its not necessarily hate here. Dru says he's "covered" with Buffy. Oh and the demon she was cheating on spike with, was a chaos demon. In s3 ep 8 spike comes back after dru has dumped him (now we know its after dru seeing his obsession with buffy) and spike says dru cheated on him with a chaos demon who is "all slime and antlers" lol

John

what an effulgent episode. such a joy to revisit it with you.

Abby

one of my favorite episodes !! so excited to watch it with you

Bud Haven

This is my favorite episode of the entire series. There are other episodes that are "better", but this is my favorite. The final scene where they are sitting together like two old warriors. Spike in reality and Buffy just for a Slayer. Those two sitting on the porch could be the main image for the entire show. Spike says that inevitably her death wish will come to the fore. S-"The second that happens, I'll slip in, have myself a real good day." Later, after his awkward attempt to hit on her he says "Come on. I can feel it Slayer. You know you want to dance." Spike is saying he can feel her desire for him. But then Buffy says "Say it's true. Say I do want to." That she has desire for him? Or is she saying she has a desire for the dance. A death wish. Spike also said it's her family and friends who tie her here. Keeping it at bay. So is it in her, kept at bay by her family and friends? We already know the answer to this, it's yes. In The Wish we see Buffy without her support system and she has death-wishyness all over her. Buffy, "The world is what it is. We fight, we die. Wishing doesn't change that." So I think it is there, and Buffy is telling Spike he would never be the vamp who takes her down.

Corey

You mentioned Spike having more empathy than most other vampires and I find that interesting too. And not just hime but how Darla, Angeleus, and Dru can feel some emotions as well. I read this in a fanfic and it always stuck out to me that maybe it's because they are directly from the Master's line that gives them these added human like qualities. That they are more advanced being directly sired from that line than other vampires maybe? I do like the idea of that it's because Spike drank from Slayers. I haven't heard of that theory and thought that was a cool take on it.

denmaroca 2

Spike's love is a lot like that expressed by the people under Amy's love spell in Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered - passionate but ultimately violent).

denmaroca 2

Not so much intensified but expressed when all inhibitions (including "society's rules" are removed.

Stargazer1682

I disagree that Spike has shown any more or less empathy than most other vampires. I'm not sure where you get the idea that emotion is non-existent with other vampires. We generally don't see the vast majority of other vampires long enough to truly get an understanding of them, but the few we do besides Spike would suggest that he's actually pretty average. On the whole, there's very little different between the human they were and the vampire they become. Case in point, Harmony. Harmony is exactly who she was as a human, but now that she's a vampire, the main difference comes largely from a lack of a soul. And we saw in Angel's "I've Got You Under My Skin" that this behavior is not derived from any demonic nature, but rather, humans in general without a soul are capable of such evil and cruelty as to frighten an Ethros. This is a thirst for blood, but as we've seen other sources of blood would suffice, and with a soul it's difficult for a vampire, specifically Angel as we've seen, to be willing to drink from a human just to feed. The soul appears to act like the Super-Ego in psychology. The Super-Ego balances one's impulses and instinct of the ID and the Pain-Pleasure Principal of the Ego, by applying social concepts of morality. Remember how Willow called out Parker (fucking Parker...) about how he was operating on the Pleasure Principal? It's the same thing. Without a soul, the ID and the Ego run wild; and Spike is no exception. Going back to season 2, the Judge observes how Spike, Dru and their research lackey all have at least some residual humanity, which makes them susceptible to the Judge being able to burn them; which he demonstrates by burning the lackey (and Dru shouting, "Do it again! Do it again!") Dru and Spike could be in love with each other. Dalton (the lackey) registered enough to be burned. Harmony is bursting with a wide range, if albeit maybe not the "full" range of human emotions. What they decidedly don't feel is guilt. That's the main take away with Angel having a soul. He couldn't the consequences of his actions without it. That's the applied morality, retroactive to all his past misdeeds. Now, Angel couldn't be burned by the Judge, but Dalton was; and the Judge says Dru and Spike stunk of humanity and share affection and jealous. Where's the disconnect? We see in Angel season 1's "Prodigal" that Liam had some father issues. He even tells his father how he lived down to every low opinion his father had of him. If his father berating him for a disappointment and a failure was the closest thing to getting his approval, then by God, he'd be the best failure possible. Liam acted out for his father's attention, but Darla had his number; and said how his father's victory would last a lifetime. That victory being Liam/Angel's want of his father's approval, which he could never get now. But it wasn't just because his father died that he'd never get that approval; Liam would know that becoming a vampire would be the step too far, the act of rebellion he could never take back, that prevent him from ever getting his father's approval (and of course the tragic twist being that his father stayed by his son's grave long after everyone was gone, because he didn't want to leave). I think it stands to reason that becoming a vampire broke Liam on an emotional level and fractured his psyche. Where other vampires, like Spike, like Dru, like Dalton, like Harmony, could abide whatever residual humanity they had, Liam couldn't. This is why he became Angelus. In "I Only Have Eyes for You," Angel became manic at being possessed by the teacher, desperately wanting to rid himself of the feeling of humanity the spirit left behind; and left Spike to see a "particularly vile kill" to proverbially cleanse his palette. And I think that explains a lot of things about his character and the distinction between him and other vampires we see; including Spike. If that's what it takes for Angel to rid himself of the reminder of humanity, then that explains his particularly bloodthirsty rampage through Europe. Where most vampires just kill to feed, Angel takes it a step further. Even in this episode he mentions "artistry" when it comes to his killing. When it came to how he targeted Buffy or Dru, he didn't just try to kill, he targeted their family and the things that connected them to their humanity; taking away from them what he feels was taken from him. He does the same with Giles and Jenny; and we later see in "Amends" how he did this with other victims too. When he lost his soul, the first thing he did was feed; so it's plausible that these acts suppress that residual humanity, which is why Angel didn't "read" when he encountered the Judge again after losing his soul. With Spike, he's capable of love, but without a soul it's going to be toxic. He's working on the pleasure principal - again, in essence, he's Parker; but amplified. He's got all the feelings, but no filter to process them, if he even had one. He became upset when Cecily rebuffed him, only for Dru to show interest in him, made him a vampire. But he gloms onto the first woman to take a liking in him after just meeting her and stays with her for the next 100+ years. And when she breaks it off, in a tactless way as we see in this episode, he comes back to Sunnydale (Lovers Walk) in a pitiable state. Now he's becoming invested in Buffy the way he was with Dru. It's still the Pleasure Principal, only now he's staked his happiness to Buffy's, so to speak. For her to say she's beneath him not only resonates with what Cecily told him, but by equating his happiness with hers, Buffy's rejection of Spike on a personal level is tantamount to Spike rejecting himself. This sets off the toxic side, because his immediate response is to kill her; and he probably would have too. But if Buffy being happy=Spike being happy, then comforting her takes on an emotional paradox where he's motivated to comfort her out of his own desire not feel pain and not because it's the moral thing to do.

Stargazer1682

Dak: Spike has emotions. The only person that emotional is Angel... (Harmon has entered the chat)

Stargazer1682

I mean, there's really no indication that they specifically have a stronger connection with their emotions or any of that. We don't get more than a cursory look at most vampires, because Buffy usually kills them before getting a chance to go very far in-depth. But Trick was certainly a very nuanced vampire. Harmony is still Harmony as a vampire, just with a thirst for blood and sans soul, but she clearly has very deep feelings, particularly for Spike; and he has consequently hurt her because she has those feelings. Dalton, Spike's research lackey, had enough humanity in him for the Judge to burn. This actually seems to be largely the status quo for vampires.

Stargazer1682

Some of this is a little too spoilery.

Stargazer1682

It's interesting they wrote in James' real life scars as the result of fighting a Slayer. It might have already been mentioned in a previous episode discussion, but he got it from a time he was mugged. In canon though, it doesn't necessarily make sense that the gash would form a scar, given his vampire healing, but my headcanon is - and this is pure speculation - Slayer blood has a potency to it that is actually toxic to vampires in large enough quantities, kind of like alcohol to humans. This would prevent a vampire from drinking enough to turn a Slayer, but in small quantities might give them a buzz; and maybe interferes with their natural healing ability, resulting in a scar from any wound he received around the same time he drank a Slayer's blood. That, or she had an enchanted sword or something. But I prefer the blood thing.

Gabe Morales

I loved all the call backs in this episode, especially the 1998 one where we actually see the Chaos demon. "I caught her making out with a Chaos demon, have you ever seen a Chaos Demon, they're all slime and antlers, they're disgusting!"

Neil Silverman

First off, it's great you have the Buffy theme as your ringtone. Second, this is one of my personal top 5 Buffy episodes. I absolutely love the insight we get into Spike's backstory, the writing is some of the best of the series, the cinematography of cutting back and forth between the 1977 fight and the present day is outstanding, and, as you pointed out, the chemistry between Spike and Buffy is off the charts. (And by the way, I think he's 100% correct - the Slayer flirts with death every single day, and they all feel that pressure to give in - that moment of doubt. That's their weakness. And Buffy's greatest strength in that regard IS her close ties to the people around her). Looking back at who Spike was before becoming a vampire, William the Bloody - he was a poet, a lover, and a sensitive and empathetic individual. And I think that individual has always been there, even as a vampire. But, he was also bullied and picked on, and given the power to give some comeuppance to his tormentors, he chose to take on the facade of Spike - angry, violent, and chaotic - and full of disdain for the society which spurned him. I know I've mentioned it before, but throughout the series, Spike has always shown a level of emotional intelligence and insight beyond that of pretty much any other character on the show, and I think that's a product of the sensitive individual he's always been. And I think you're pretty much on the money when you said that the chip in his head, preventing him from acting on those violent impulses, has in many ways brought his original personality to the fore. One last thing - contrast William/Spike with Liam/Angelus. William was a sensitive and imaginative person who wanted to be loved, who turned into a violent iconoclast lashing out at the world that spurned him. But I think ultimately those are 2 sides of the same emotional coin. Liam was a drunkard, a womanizer, and a layabout, who turned into a sadistic self-serving monster who cared for no one and nothing but his own appetites - which again, was really not so very different from who he was before, just... amplified.

Julian Welton

This is probably one of my top five favorite episodes of Buffy. Not only do we get a look at Spikes beginnings but we also really start to understand the toll being the Slayer takes on a person, because you can tell by the look on Buffy's face that Spike wasn't lying. The truth is he beat them because a part of them, even if only for a second, wanted to die. If you remember the alt world episode where Cordelia wishes Buffy never came to Sunnydale we see alt Buffy get killed by The Master, but why? She beat him in our world so what changed? She had nothing to fight for in alt world. She didn't have friends or family or even a watcher, she was completely alone. Her connections to the world give Buffy the strength to keep fighting. They make her life worth living. Without her friends and family everyday is just another day in an endless war against evil with nothing to look forward to or hope for. As for Spikes transformation, obviously it's partly affectation, but I also think it's him indulging impulses he wouldn't have when he was human as well as just having more confidence now. The common theory is that becoming a vampire heightens your worst traits. As a human Liam (Angel) was a selfish, careless, deviant. All of that was amplified. William on the other hand was a good person so what was amplified was probably his negative emotions. He was tired of being pushed around, ignored, and mocked. So what we end up with is a spiteful and theatrical, brawler, with a desire to prove himself by killing a slayer. He wanted to be seen, admired, and to overcome his enemies. As for why he seems more human than the average vampire? I've always thought that because he was so sensitive and romantic as a human he was able to get as close as a vampire can get to things like love.

Vicky N

This episode is in my top ten for the entire serie. The script is fantastic, the editing, that ending and of course the tour the tour the force performance by James Marsters. The first time I saw it I was shocked by the reveal of what William was as a human and somewhat by the end of the episode it seems perfectly obvious and in line with who he is now and James Marsters play all those aspects perfectly. Even without the flashbacks scenes he goes from cocky to heartbroken to angry when Buffy reject him using the same words as Cecily. And as a result we sympathize with him when we really shouldn’t. A few things you missed or misinterpreted in your review. Up until now we thought that Angelus was Spike’s sire, remember in School Hard, the episode he was introduced, Spike says about Angel “you were my sire, you were my Yoda”. We find out here that it was Drusilla that sired him and we find out why in the next episode of Angel. We still don’t know exactly when the accent change and calling himself Spike started but it was before he killed his first slayer, not after as you said. The scene when Angelus asks him about those changes, that’s when he warns him about the slayer.

Brian Dworak

I love the fact that 1977 Spike got his image from Billy Idol in Generation X - underrated punk band from the early days. Such a great band.