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Buffy The Vampire Slayer 5x17 (Patreon)

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2023-02-09 13:00:50
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Hello All!

Another emotional episode but thankfully not as intense as ep 16! Was nice to see Angel show up to comfort & support Buffy. Glory/Ben still baffle me, major head scratch there for me lol. Dawn being naughty with the spell was one thing but let's face it she had help too - Willow? Spike? Tut tut. Not that I blame Dawn, I was hoping for magic to fix everything too! It all came down to that last scene for me though, seeing Buffy really open up was so moving. A plus performance as always!

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Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

Couple of "fun" things with the music on this one. During the scene with Angel and Buffy in the cemetery they played a version of the "Bangel soundtrack" that was used during their coupley moments in season 2, specifically 2x13 "Innocence." Also the song that Giles was listening to while drinking his whiskey and remembering Joyce was the same one that they were rocking out to and smoking cigarettes in 3x06 "Band Candy."

Claire Eyles

Why would Willow do that? You mean the same Willow that tried to deal with her previous feelings for Xander by casting a spell, and who also tried to speedrun through her heartbreak over Oz by casting a spell, that Willow? Yeah I think Willow and dealing with difficult emotions are like two unmixy things.

Raven Dark

I loved this reaction. I especially love how much you "get" this show, Dak. You are right there, feeling what so many of us feel all the time, and it's so good to see. As for your reactions regarding Ben and Glory, they are so much fun. *giggles*

Claire Eyles

The demon guy (Doc) that Dawn and Spike visited is played by Broadway legend, and Academy Award winning actor, Joel Grey. He played the role of the Master of Ceremonies in the original Broadway production and film version of Cabaret. He celebrated his 90th birthday last year, and is still producing and working in Theatre. Word back in the day as well was that the casting people really wanted him for the role of Doc, but were like, "Wait, we can't ask an Oscar winning actor to be on Buffy, can we?" And then they found out he was actually a fan of the show & was happy to have a small role on it.

Ed Green

I didn't know that about the soundtrack, thanks. Is it in 2x13 Surprise (where he loses his soul at the end) or 2x14 Innocence? (after he's turned evil)

Preaching to the Horse's Mouth

Surprise for sure, after they escape to Angel's apartment as they are kissing and subsequently *cough* 👉👌👉👌*cough*. The very slow, romantic piano theme that's playing. It may show up in a few other places as well but my memory fails me at the moment and I'm not in position to go hunting for it unfortunately. Hope that helps, friend.

PongPong31

Xander's reaction to Spike turning up with flowers for Joyce, I think did all of us in. Understandably protective, but definitely oversaturated with agressiveness. Ah and Joyce and Spike with the gossip and watching Passions together. Lol that was quite the duo.

Christopher simeon

Play close attention to the characters in this episode. You can see how dawn felt similar to Riley earlier this season from Buffy's aloofness even though Buffy wasn't trying to come off that way. Now willow says that she can't remember what she ate for breakfast but she seems to focus so much on Tara's life when journalling. What does that say about her self-esteem. Xander and Anya talk about life and the possibility of having a baby which freaks him out

Kate

I want to say I think you're spot on as far as why people seem to "like" watching you cry. Lil anecdote from my perspective as an actor, how I got into reaction videos was, like many, due to covid. I was in school seeking my masters in acting, but our classes moved online and we were unable to perform except virtually. As a performer, that emotional connection is exactly why I do what I do. The experience of being in a theatre feeling emotion and knowing the audience is feeling the same thing because of your portrayal is powerful! Stuff of awe, truly. And when quarantine happened and I wasn't able to have that experience anymore, reaction videos filled that hole. Just the ability to have that same sharing of emotion despite being alone in my home? It fills you up in a way. And despite watching 5x16 probably 20 times now, I always cry with the reactors. For you, being the reactor probably feels a little like performing to a zoom audience, so I get why you feel awkward. But know that you're really giving a gift.

Stargazer1682

I think the scene with Angel and Buffy works so well, because Sarah and David are so close in real life; and always keep running into each other, no matter where they are. There's one interview Freddie Prinze Jr gave where he talked about one time they were on vacation and he went inside to put the kids down and came back out to find Sarah and David by the pool; and Sarah's like, "Look who I found!" He joked they could be in Siberia and he wouldn't be surprised if they ran into David.

Stargazer1682

You know, normally I find the Spike scene sweet; and I still kind of do - because it is true, Joyce was the group's mom, no matter who you were, including Spike. BUT - thinking about that scene the last time we saw him... He might have had good intentions with the flowers, but he's still a shady dude; and Xander's not wildly off base taking issue with him. It might have been another matter had Xander and Willow left a few minutes later; and Spike really had left the flowers on the porch and left, but we'll never really know.

Bart Aansorgh

the writers of this show were soo damn good. Buffy and Dawn dealing with it in a different way and the miscommunication there. I do think they did their relationship soo wel. Angel and Buffy as well. To me, i will always ship buffy and angel in my heart, though i'm not necesarily against buffy and spike. Angel and Buffy just have such good chemistry. Dawn wanting to ressurect Joyce is understandable and you could just see WIllow kinda wanted that to, leaving the book for dawn. Atleast thats how I see it. And then Buffy's reaction when theres that knock at the door. Gone are the protests against it, and its just "mommy". Thats when Dawn realises that Buffy really does care and that she's actually needing Dawn.

Christopher simeon

Also notice how spike doesn't seemed bothered helping dawn because he doesn't really feel that it's wrong to do. He knows logically that it is but he doesn't feel the concern he would feel if he was human or had a soul. HE hates seeing summer women upset. That bothers him enough to want it to stop by any means. Even immoral ones. He's "helping" but in a twisted way

Marty Beck

Regarding Willow's actions in this episode, it is because she has an almost pathological aversion to negative emotions (especially if they are within herself or directed to her). If you watch the scene at Willow's and Tara's, pay close attention to what Willow is saying and doing. She's dismissively telling Dawn not to be upset and is getting very agitated. This is a pattern with Willow up to this point, whether it's Lovers Walk or Something Blue or Forever. There are other, many of them subtle, but it is consistent characterization.

stacia c

Very small thing, but I never noticed it before. In the shot of Giles sitting alone and drinking, I realized that the song he is listening to is the same one he and Joyce listened to when they were high on band candy. 😥

Steve Quast

At the end of Surprise Angel runs outside and begins screaming because he's about to lose his soul. At the beginning of Innocence is when he actually loses it. Innocence is the first episode with Angel not having a soul.

Thom Purdy

The Buffy/Angel theme is titled "Close Your Eyes", composed by Christophe Beck. The music Giles is listening to is "Brave Ulysses" by Cream.

Brian Dworak

In some ways this episode is heavier than 16. I remember being involved with picking out the casket for my grandmother in 2013. There was a shadow hanging over me as every memory flooded through me. The wake was a strange experience as I saw and talked with people that I hadn't seen in decades. My young niece felt scared so I held her hand and comforted her. When I stood before Nana in her open coffin, I recognized her but also didn't recognize her. I was incredibly sad, but also angry. Dawn is the same. Sad and angry about her mother's death, wanting vengeance against someone or something just to feel a release of her pain. It was strange that Willow feels some need to facilitate Dawn's misguided goal of using spells. Anya is hilarious, as usual: "Fondle the money?". Spike is lovely here, with his love for Joyce and protectivness of Dawn. Yes, he's a stalker, but his true person is good. Glory is crazy, of course, but fascinating and funny. Clothing choice is on point too. And I agree with you Dak, she is wild and a lot to take in, but so worth it. Joel Grey (Doc) is a great actor and I love everything he's in. He's so recognizable and so perfect. Great talent. Yes, Dak, shady and worrisome. Spike with Dawn is so cute. I'm an only child, but I always wished I had a sister. I'd be her protector and deal with anyone that hurt her - and be the happiest man in prison. The Spike/Dawn scene with that creature was quite Indiana Jones-like. Seemed like an unnecessary addition though. I really connected with that scene between Willow and Tara. I find myself forgetting names and places and interactions that shaped who I am, and it's upsetting. When you are faced with age and mortality, you want to remember your past in clarity because it defines you. If you forget it, you are diminished. The interaction between Dawn and Buffy was heartbreaking. I haven't seen this episode since it originally aired. I forgot about the slap and it made me sad. Buffy crying made me tear up - again. And yes, Dak, it broke my heart again too. The climax of Dawny tearing the spell and the two of them falling into each other sobbing was almost too much for me. I'm dreading your final reaction like I dreaded the final Lucifer reaction, but I'm happy that I can rewatch them over and over again. I think I've done Lucifer five times over. You're a legend, Dak.

Kirsten (Heavenli24)

Oh man, I probably shouldn’t have watched this reaction this morning - today is the 1-year anniversary of losing my dad. Like Joyce, it was very sudden and unexpected, and it was my first real experience with grief. I wasn’t there at the time it happened (I was in London and couldn’t get back home until the next day), so I actually find that the aftermath shown in Forever is more emotional and relatable for me than the initial reactions depicted in The Body. I first saw these 2 episodes back when they aired in 2001 and because I hadn’t really experienced personal loss myself yet, I was able to watch them for 20 years without being particularly affected emotionally... but now I can’t watch either of them without crying. I really appreciate you sharing your emotions and personal experiences in these reactions, Dakara... as you said at the end of this reaction, sometimes you need that connection, and it really is comforting to know that I’m not alone and that the emotions I’ve been feeling over the last 12 months are normal.

Jon Dub

To be fair to everyone in the scooby gang, that you said was just judging Spike as a big creeper, he was stalking her, watching her house, breaking in while she wasnt home to steal her clothes and sniff her underwear, and dont forget two episodes ago he asked Warren to build him a Buffy sexbot. I mean, that kind of validates their opinion of him being a creeper, dont ya think? Also, whilst Buffy and Riley's relationship had it's vulnerabilities that had nothing to do with Spike, he did everything he could to expedite their split, putting doubts in Riley's head about Buffy's feeling for Riley, like when he mocked Riley for not knowing about Joyce's doctors appointment, and then of course leading Buffy to Riley in that "brothel" or whatever you want to call it. I mean, I love Spike as a character, he is one of the most interesting Buffyverse characters, but I feel people overlook so many of the highly effed up things he does, because, like Dawn says "He has cool hair and wears cool leather coats and stuff"

DakaraJayne

That’s so true. He do be a creepy fella. I wish that scene was saved for a different day. Not the right time.

DakaraJayne

I am so sorry for your loss Kirsten. Sending love and hugs your way. Thanks for sharing your experience. You’re definitely not alone. Sorry the timing hasn’t been the best on this reaction for you. Let’s hope next episode is easier for all.

DakaraJayne

That’s genuinely made me smile, thanks Raven. I love this show so much. Enjoy my glory confusion as always haha

Julian Welton

Yep. Love the character, he's definitely in the top three for the Buffyverse, but he's literally a soulless, evil, creep and it would be good for people to remember that once in a while lol.

denmaroca 2

Although Willow is normally an ethical and moral person, the show has consistently shown that when those ethics and morals get in the way of something she emotionally wants then they go by the wayside.

Julian Welton

That scene at the end where Buffy opens up to Dawn is one of my favorites of the entire series. Sarah Michelle Gellar did such an amazing job and the writing was perfect. That scene has stayed with me ever since I saw this episode years ago. Also regarding the Buffy and Angel scene it's kind of funny, and I know I'm probably alone on this, but I never really bought their romantic chemistry when they were actually together on the show. It always felt a bit forced to me. They're just such different people. It was very TV romancey to me. BUT since Angel left all of their scenes together have really gone up a few notches in believability in my opinion. The scene from this episode, their scenes together on Angel, I think for me they just work better as exes/people who are forever bonded than they do as an actual romantic couple.

Audra Foxgrove

The way you speak about your experience of the last episode really got to me for some reason— I guess because I relate so strongly. When you talk about understanding now, after some time, that this was a masterpiece. That you could even see that during the experience, but that it was so painful, so raw, so good at what it was doing— that you couldn’t really articulate or express that at the time. Man, I relate to that feeling so strongly! This is basically the emotional experience I had and have been unable (frustratingly unable) to articulate since seeing the recent film “Everything Everywhere All At Once.” I remember feeling basically paralyzed as tears slowly ran down my face at some point while watching it. When I walked out of the theater into the daylight I was so shell shocked. I walked to my car in silence, and my husband and I got inside, me in the driver’s seat. I didn’t speak or start the car. He looked at me as I stared straight ahead, and I IMMEDIATELY burst into tears and near hysterics about the fact that I could not talk about this movie with him right now and I could not talk about why I was reacting so strongly either because I didn’t even understand myself. Looking back, I have never identified with Anya more.

Todd Bolton

Sorry for the lengthiness of this, but your reaction made me think a lot of stuff. You said, “Wise choice they made by not allowing that to happen” – to show the Joyce-monster. They knew exactly what they were doing, the whole way. “Will they actually do that”, the question can’t help but be asked. No, they would not. Joyce is too beloved (she’s come so far since season one!). On Dawn wanting to bring Joyce back, you say, “it doesn’t work like that”… [pause]… “Or does it?” I laughed. I assume the pause was remembering what show you’re watching, mostly joking, and maybe even a little hoping (?). When Giles is listening to music, alone, somber and/or contemplative, with a glass of bourbon, he is listening to the same song (“The Tales of Brave Ulysses”) that he and Joyce listened to in Band Candy. I know this because of the benefits of a sixties music education. Spike wanted Joyce back, you think. I’ve never really thought of it that way before. I’ve accepted his explanation at face value : “I just don't like to see Summers women take it so hard on the chin, is all.” And I do think that’s true but many things have more than one motivation, that, in fact, being the very reason we do them. So I will watch the show (for Spike and Joyce’s always fascinating interactions) with new eyes from now on. Same with Willow, did she want Joyce back? Her addiction has already begun and, two episodes from now, we see her and Tara fighting about it. You don’t feel that Willow is making good choices – that’s perceptive – very few see it this early (I’ve heard people say that her and Tara’s upcoming fight comes out of the blue). The possibility that maybe Willow wants Dawn to bring Joyce back, as you hint at, might seem stretching it because Willow’s got to know that it would be dangerous for Dawn. But I think you might be onto something. Think about “Wrecked” next season, the danger she puts Dawn in. In retrospect, Willow’s immersion in magic has to be much deeper by this point than anything we’ve seen and like many addicts she’s been able to hide it well in its earlier stages. (My guess is it began back in “Lover’s Walk” and maybe exploded around her encounter with Veruca. She held back at the last minute then, and with “Something Blue”, she kinda held back after the last minute. Soon she won’t even be able to do that.) Willow has already tried to get Dawn involved in magic when she gave her a book on it, as Jewish Santa; but remember how Giles used to warn Willow of magic in the early seasons. Willow doesn’t accompany her tempting with the same concern. I don’t think I’ve noticed before how much Willow’s hanging back (in the literal background) as Tara passionately tells Dawn they can’t bring Joyce back by magic. I wonder if this was the start of the rift between her and Tara. We never see Willow tell Tara that she purposefully helped Dawn find the book. (Willow already secretive about her addiction?) When Willow can’t get out why it’s bad to try to resurrect Joyce, you say, “Willow’s not good with the talking” but then later when Tara worries how Dawn got hold of the book, you say that Willow has never lied well. True (but I’m guessing she’s become good at it, at least in one area). As to why they shouldn’t try to resurrect Joyce, I think Willow can’t face the tension between the natural and the supernatural, and she’s not good at understanding the danger of magic, or not willing to. As Tara says next season, “You just do a spell”. Xander with Spike, outside the Summers’ home. He is dismissive and a jerk, but it isn’t any different than when he said ,“Hey, Evil Dead, you're in my seat,” after Buffy has been treating Spike equally badly. However, certainly in terms of grieving, these things should be put aside. In Xander’s partial defense (though, I’ll admit, I think he’s acting like an ass), they have all treated Spike as a monster without feelings, including Buffy. Though I’m not one who thinks that Buffy has had buried feelings for Spike at this point, she has used him when convenient but I think she has gained a certain amount of respect for him, which she hasn’t acknowledged. We don’t see them together between Joyce’s death and the incredible end of “Intervention”, which I think was a wise choice. It seems that Joyce’s death had a real effect on Anya. She begins a deeper transformation until you-know-who betrays her. I’m neither team Anya nor team Xander. I’m generally never team anybody. I get what Xander did, with those visions of their possible future and his family history. But my sympathies are more with Anya at that point, despite her really bad choices. But I’ve never seen how Joyce’s death was something of a turning point for her character until you highlighted what she said to Xander in bed. On Ben/Glory. Your speculations are funny because they remind me of the confusion of the Scoobies once they find out. I can’t wait to see your reaction to that! I noticed you laughed at the monster guarding the eggs. There’s a good commentary where a couple of the writers talk about how little budget they had leftover for the monster and they laugh about how lame it is. I find its lameness endearing (as I do about most flaws on set). This one, for me, highlights the seriousness of everything else going on, even though we have to deal with monster creatures. Plus Spike’s willingness to risk himself to protect Dawn is moving, preparing us for next episode. And the other human-demon-creature in the episode (played by the redoubtable Joel Grey) is creepy enough for the both of them. You were happy that there was no Buffbot (who you will soon know by her full name, the Buffybot) in this episode. I had to watch the next one immediately to see that happiness fade.

Todd Bolton

As if I haven’t already said enough. Beautiful Dakpak outro (on “The Body”) this was: “Music manipulation”: I like the phrase. Two of the best episodes of BtVS: the one with no music and the one with all the music. I love the Santa Claus disembowels children line but my humor has always tended toward the ghoulish and it’s a nice contrast with how Anya is in the rest of the episode. You talked about crying with others and how you understood Buffy’s reluctance. Me, too. One of the most humiliating experiences of my life was when I was shamed for crying over my son’s death by my mother-in-law. I’ll leave it at that. I laughed rather uncontrollably over the Dakpak comment along the lines of – “I wish Joyce didn’t die” is a remarkable statement for an ex-vengeance demon. The Dakpak comment about Willow mouthing “I love you” to Tara. I went back to check it out. More tears for me! I would love to see a compilation reaction video, of several reactors, to “The Body” (or OMWF) or any Buffy episode, for that matter. But these two mostly.