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Wow, a lot of P-based alliteration in that title! To what I expect is the surprise of no one, the Panzergrenadiers put in a solid performance. In a sense, that makes them a bit less interesting that some of the other contenders. They just... got the job done. There's always more to talk about when a platoon has a disaster.

The next instalment should be interesting whichever way it falls. Marines in AAVs have a literal horde of pixeltruppen, but gigantic, lumbering AAVs with paper thin armour. Syrians in BTRs are... Syrians in BTRs. And Canadians in Nyalas are pretty much light infantry on wheels.

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Pete Goodfellow

out of curiosity, is it possible to calculate what the score would have been had you lost one of the marders? i'm curious how it would have compared to the syrian airborne if that bmp3 hadn't been sent to reverse into a smaw :)

GLG

Yup, minimal AAR means 'All good!' Bundeswehr never catered to APC theory, preferring to follow their own war experience in WWII. Even the failed SPz lg 12-3 was an assault vehicle that carried infantry. The difference between them and the BMPs was armor. Marders could shrug off 20mm APDS frontally and later that expanded to 30mm APDS as well as top cover for cluster bombs.

Ben Kerry

Canadians in Nyala right?

Ben Kerry

OK, I remember there were jager units with M113s for Heerestrukture IV. Bundeswehr does use M113 mounted infantries. The history with IFV development is a very interesting rabbit hole. William DePuy wanted Bradley based on German "panzergrenadier" but the thing is that US doesn't really have a mechanized infantry as a subsidiary to armor center in Fort Knox, it's all a Fort Benning initiative (also has to do with American M113 mechanized infantry in Vietnam). Another source of inspiration for DePuy was October War, where Israeli forces reportedly loved the M113 and the lesson learned seemed to be "mechanized infantry using onboard automatic weapon to suppress enemy ATGMs while mounted to enable rapid mechanized maneuver".

GLG

Ben, the bundeswehr did use M113s & trucks, but it was a stop gap measure. In the 60s the SPz lg 12-3 proved such a troubled IFV that only about 20% of the 10,000 or so planned production was actually built. By the 70s the marder was in production to correct that.

AtlasActual

What I found from experience is that the marders struggle with sustained operations due to lack of 20mm ammunition and the lack of combat reloads in CM.

Decimated

That early German ifv that you mentioned was a cool little vehicle with a 20 mm turret low profile. Too bad it was a dead end it could have used it as a basis for getting their own ifv into production much sooner than 1982. They already had a small turret on top of the M60 tank, that very same turret could have gone on top of the m113. And this made an instant stopgap IFV for the 1970s

UsuallyHaplessVideos

Potentially... it's a bit awkward having to go back and mess about trying to get the right units killed, so it's probably not going to happen