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TormundxMaege update #2 (Patreon)

Published:
2017-03-14 09:25:52
Edited:
2017-06-20 04:09:05
Imported:
2026-06
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Hey guys, I'm now working on finalising the TormundxMaege script.

At the moment, I'm stuck on a tricky detail – basically, the story Tormund tells about his encounter with a "bear" implies rape (which is consistent with wildling ideas of "marriage"). The theory that the video describes is of a consensual relationship between Maege and Tormund – that's what the overall evidence suggests. But the rapey-ness of Tormund's story still needs to be mentioned, and I'm trying to find the right words to address it briefly but sensitively.. "rapey-ness" probably being the wrong word.

There's definitely an ethical inconsistency in our happily talking about murder and war and torture with flippancy, whilst often tip-toeing around rape.. But that's a reality of the conversation in our society, and I've gotta be pragmatic about it.

Sorry to lay this heavy shit on yall! Just letting you know what I'm working through... for this short silly video about a fictional wildling and a she-bear.

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stazgirl

I'm glad you're addressing this point - the rapey-ness (I don't have another word for you, sorry!) of the wildlings is part of their identity so it would be strange to ignore it. I can't recall but does the actual interaction between Maege and Tormund sound as rapey as the generic extracts above? If not, perhaps Maege found Tormund 'worthy'.

Ser Tomato of Tomatistan

Even though Tormund stealing and bedding Maege sounds pretty much like rape, that doesnt have to be the case. Since stealing is the wildlings equivalent of marriage, I think a wildling girl that gets stolen by a boy she has already had her eyes on, might be actually flattered by the act, thus what looks like rape would actually be consetual sex. As far as I remember, either Val or Ygritte say the same thing at one point, when describing the Wildling marriage system to Jon. Resulting from the fact that the Mormonts are pretty much the Northeners of the North, considered as weird even by their own kind,it might be they know the wilding practices better than the rest of the north. So maybe pointing out that it is the aspect of non-consent, that makes rape, not the stealing itself, might solve your problem.

Bible Spice

I have not read the books, so I make no claim at speaking with authority here. That said, I think it is definitely worth sorting out who is talking about Wildling sexuality and brutality and in what context. Power dynamics are at the heart od rape. Who has what kind of power in a given situation? If a Non-Wildling is talking about Wildling mating customs, to what degree can we rely on them to accurately reflect Wildling experience that makes perfect sense and is satisfying for Wildling women? On the other hand, do Wildling women feel the need to "put a good face" on a system that brutalizes them in order to survive socially (and thus at all)? As far as "rapey-ness" goes, you might consider discussing the component issues instead: power, dominance, violence, consent (and lack thereof), violation, and abuse.

Alt Shift X

Tormund says "The woman had a terrible temper, and she put up quite the fight when I laid hands on her. It was all I could do to carry her home and get her out o’ them furs". So yeah, sounds pretty rapey. Of course, this "woman" in the story later turns out to be a bear, and a sort-of separate figure to the "woman" mentioned earlier in Tormund's story, and there's lots of ambiguity as to whether Maege is the woman or the bear in this metaphorical story... so it's tricky.

Alt Shift X

Yeah there's definitely a discussion to be had about power and sexuality in wildling culture.. but I feel this particular video isn't the time or place to really get into it. I think for the purposes of this video, I'll just lightly acknowledge the issue and move on.

Alt Shift X

Yeah Ygritte does defend the wildling system to Jon, and yeah who knows, maybe the Mormonts would be into it too. We just really don't know the details between Tormund and Maege..