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Invincible Episode 3x2 (Patreon)

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2025-02-07 14:20:47
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CDMellow

To play devil's advocate trust between Cecil and Mark never felt possible. Cause lets imagine they had a more trusting relationship and Mark broke that trust, then Cecil gets screwed cause what's he gonna do. If Cecil breaks that trust then the events of this episode plays. So either way Cecil loses, why not choose the scenario where you might have a chance. Basically trust between those who are not equal is favorable to the one who is superior cause they have less to lose.

Icy

Sorry but I have to fully disagree Mark was in the wrong, I'm on Cecil's side his motivation is what I understand more. I understand wanting to control as much as possible as it makes the world less scarry, I do the same thing.

Joel Sasmad

I am on Cecil's side in regards to reforming and using criminals for good, and I think Mark was only reacting so strongly becusse he was involved personally. The way he handled things with Mark here though is horrible and lost him not only his greatest asset, but half of the Guardians. Ignoring the fact that Cecil could have talked things out or teleported away when Mark was refusing to leave instead of using the reanimen, ingnoring the fact that Mark has never given him a reason to treat him like this, ignoring how messed up the chip in Mark's brain is, when Mark was trying to leave Cecil here chases him down and makes things worse. And honestly this is good writing. Cecil handled the situation badly but Mark threw the first punch and we can argue back and forth over who was right or wrong in regards to the overall situation. The fact that both are right and wrong in their own ways is the whole point.

Xenocrona

50:15 That squeal was cute.

Rinnzu Rosendale

Cecil didn't escalate anything. He leveled the playing field with the very few tools he had to do so. You cant negotiate from a position of weakness. Cecil doesn't manipulate people to get what he wants. He is genuine with people all the time even at detriment to his reputation and feelings.. He manipulates people to get what he Needs to do his job. Having a "trust system" is great for relationships. But when that trust system is gambling the lives of the entire planet then not having countermeasures is just irresponsible. He had a "Trust System" with Omni Man. They dod have precautions against Cecil. That's why they wont let him near Oliver. Cecil doesnt just make sense. He is objectively in the right. The entire point of the conflict is that Mark is only seeing it from the perspective of personal relationships and trust. Cecil is seeing it from the perspective of a world of normal people and individuals who could level it by accident. Which is the reality.

Cyric Sherburne

I love the interaction between Mark and Rick in this episode. Mark is wondering if he should have just killed the guy to end it, and the person MOST AFFECTED by what this person had done tells him "The world doesn't need more people like that, it needs more people like you." Fucking beautiful man

AyatoMisubi

So far with season 3 I’m glad we get more insight into Cecil with how and why he does the things he does. Does that make him less of a shitter? Nah but it makes his writing really good

Jacob Harmon

I fully agree with your points, with one teensy caveat; to say the heroes have no precautions or fallbacks against Cecil doesn't feel quite right, cuz that's basically what their powers are. If you put him in a room with any of them, they'd be able to kill him pretty easy; "the fact that you can crush my skull, rip me in half, or blow me up IS your fallback, something I don't have, so I gotta come up with something to even the field." Cecil's basically like Batman; he knows he doesn't have the physical power to throw around that any of his peers do and he knows if his "allies" decided to flip one day he wouldn't be able to stop them, so he's gotta compensate with all the precautionary stuff. Still, I also see how it would piss you off to find out your boss/coworker had been working out secret ways to bitch you out... >.>

Bologna Amputation

Cecil wasn't wrong about the idea of reformation, but my god did he blow it tactically. He knows enough about Mark to know that he's an idealist, he could have sat Mark down, let him in on the thoughts and reasoning behind the rehabilitation in a non-tense situation. With some conversation, he could have not only had his rehabbed criminals, but could have had Mark not only on-board, but advocating for it. In the end, Cecil's inability to trust and unwillingness to put words to an obvious power imbalance cost him that. A bad decision, but great writing.

Noahthehoneyboy

Cecil was pretty justified in this episode. The same way Superman gives Batman kryptonite just incase. Cecil has to have some way to defend himself against superheroes because we have seen what happens when he didn’t.

Speed1247

Rehabilitation is right but also there needs to be consequences for people's actions and some people are beyond redemption. I do love the part where Cecil is shouting at Mark and saying all those things cause half of them seem to be digs at himself he is projecting his personal feelings onto Mark there even if he can't accept them himself.

rando

The Doc wasn't part of the program. He just broke out of prison.

Az256

The whole trust is the wrong angle you forget that he trusted Nolan and he killed so many people. The reason Cecil acted the way he did is exactly how he said, he is afraid. If Mark were to go rouge they all would be fucked so he trusts him but not fully if anything were to happen to mark to change his mind Cecil would be defenseless with 'trust'. Last season showed us how almost every variation of Mark joined Nolan hes pretty right to be afraid.

UndeadNovaKing 0

I've watched all 3 episodes and I just realized that darkwing looks possessed

Pell D. indestructible

The thing is both Mark and Cecil were escalating the situation, it wasn't just Cecil

Aubrey Bryn

The "previously on" thing feels like something you like or dislike depending on preference. The fact that every previously on telegraphs what to expect to see is honestly fun to me.

Matthias

hmmm that's an incredible amount of "donated corpses" right here Cecil

Tim The Grim

I really feel like Mark doesn't realize the effect he has on people when he confronts them angrily. There's a reason Superman never EVER gets angry at regular, non-powered people. Mark is a walking nuke. He is stronger than all other weapons on earth combined. He could kill Cecil in a second. If he loses his cool for just a milisecond. Slaps Cecil too hard, even shouts too loudly, Cecil could be dead in an isntant. So yeah, Cecil kept escalating. But imo he reacted that way because he was absolutely TERRIFIED.

wiski

Fun fact, Bulletproof and his costume were the originally planned superhero name and costume for Mark. (so the comic likely would have been called 'Bulletproof' instead of 'Invincible')

StorytellerDave

Are we supposed to take Invincible's side in the Cecil fight? Cuz I believe in rehabilitative justice, I don't think bad guys should stay behind bars just to suffer as punishment. Sinclair is a piece of crap and he should definitely be under supervision in a secure facility, but so what if he has a job? That's a good thing. As long as he can't escape, who cares if he continues to work? As for Darkwing, it's a bit more questionable, but hey, if he wants to help he might as well be allowed on missions, so long as he is watched and can't just run off, he might as well do something useful for the world to try and make up for his past crimes. I kinda liken it to prisoners helping firefighters when wildfires strike. In an emergency you need people to help and if some people want to help to make up for their past misdeeds then why not let them? I dunno, it IS messed up that Cecil put a transmitter inside Mark (though not unexpected), but I don't think Invincible was in the right at all, I get him being mad about the reanimen & Darkwing, but he can't just bust into a secure building and threaten people to get his way, that's supervillain behavior. If he doesn't like it, he can calmly tell Cecil he quits.

StorytellerDave

On a side-note the way he commands Rudy to get the transmitter out of his head after the fight is freaking scary, it feels like he's slipping. He's not asking, he's not saying please, he's like bitch get it out, that's an order, and Mark's not the ordering around type of guy usually. He's legit losing it in that entire chain of events. He got so pissed at seeing the reanimen, it did not feel like he had any self control through the entire segment. I get Cecil can be abrasive, but he was calm the entire time, he asked multiple time to just sit down and talk, Mark wasn't even willing to hear him out.

Michael

Cecil is 100% the correct one here

Raskilion

This episode shows the difference between the logical high ground and the moral high ground, but which is more important is subjective.

Charlie baker

compendium 2 of invincible makes a big point of moral greys and its pretty clear that both mark and cecil are wrong on different regards. The transmitter isnt a thing in the comics btw, cecil just realized theres a specific frequency that hurts viltrumites inner ears

Charlie baker

the spiderman x mjw fan in me adored these two in the comcis and gald to see it in the hsow

Cynical Joe

Could not disagree more, Cecil was absolutely in the right, he even tried early in the fight to just talk but Mark wouldn't back down and kept pushing the aggression. That is the reason Cecil has fail safe measures, to keep control when emotion driven teenage nukes blow up.

You Know Who

I cannot express how much I loathe the idea to stopping a mass murdering psycho by killing him makes you just as bad as him. It doesn't. That's just a stupid notion they gave to batman to make him marketable to kids and it somehow spread like a plague. Did anyone think less of mark for killing Angstrom last season? No, because, like I said, that idea is stupid.

Azel !!

Cecil has seen how mark behaves and lashes out when things don't go his way. He also knows the power he has, he has tried talking in previous seasons and gone to his house 'empty-handed' too. What do you mean "took it to the extreme". All he did was try to talk while ensuring his safety so mark doesn't kill him and his fears were true cause mark did lash out and fought the reanimanted monsters, killing them.

Sean PaulT60

I do agree that villains should have the option to be given seconds chances. The problem with Cecil here isn't all on his methods, it's how quick he was to escalate the situation with Mark. Mark was angry but he would not have actually attacked Cecil. Things only went the way they did because Cecil was WAY too quick on the draw. He assumed the worst out of Mark which led to escalation. Mark only resorted to violence when Cecil surrounded him with cyborgs made from corpses, cyborgs that Mark has history with. Things went even worse from that point onward because Cecil escalated the situation. Then when Mark got himself out of that situation, he tracked him down and went out of his way to capture him. Any excuse Cecil had to do what he did flew right out the window the second Mark flew away and he started actively hunting him.

Eddy

I think the problem with Cecil is he went too far. Yes he does what's necessary for the human race, but Mark was showing no inclination of laying hands on him until he threatened Mark, at which point he defended himself, and Cecil kept escalating the situation, risking turning humanities greatest asset against them. He said Mark refuses to see any other viewpoint, yet never actually tried to explain another viewpoint to him. He has the technology to take the risk of talking to mark without threatening him, and yet chooses a show of force and to play all his hands, which then turns the other superheroes against him too. He was the one who went too far, and Mark was the one in his right to show fear towards a guy willing to unleash monsters to avoid an argument.

xxDrain

Sanity is subjective. That's the point that Mark fails to see. There is no right and wrong viewpoint, only subjective values. You can't blame Cecil for the fact that Mark is easily manipulated into violence. With the kind of power Mark possessed, his mind must be just as solid. If it is not, he IS a threat.

Brantley Fleming

Yeah, Cecil really screwed the pooch here. It's fine having contingency plans, but this was never a scenario that would have called for him to actually use it here. He has a bit of a point of Mark being arrogant and a hypocrite but Cecil is worse than Mark at both.

Rokkettdog

Mark made the first strike. Yes, Mark was emotional and how Cecil was using Singlair didn't sit right with Mark's morals but Mark broke into the pentagon to confront Cecil in a threatening manner, similar to how Omni-man acted. Cecil is not super human so of course he would feel threatening. We know Mark's character and that he's still a teen mentally but Cecil also thought he knew Omni-man before the disaster. Yes, Cecil when too far afterwards but Mark started the confrontation and after what Nolan did and with Cecil's character, there's no rational way Cecil would have tried to simply talk it out after Mark destroyed the corpse bots. He tried that with Omni-man and almost died for it. Once bitten...

Rueduciel

This bugs me a lot more, than it should, because I'm fully on Cecils side. Does Mark think, every prisoner just sits on their ass and waits out their sentence? That Prison time is some form of punishment? Every activity they do is meant as an exercise to rehabilitate, which just means translated to be able to fit in society again, thus LEAVING prison eventually. These super prisoners got super attention and got EXTREMELY rehabilitated, so you can't be mad, when it works. And it's not even Marks place to decides who can save lives and who doesn't. Cecil only sent them in, because Mark can't always save everyone everywhere, obviously, but which innocent people need to die because Cecil shouldn't be allowed to use every help he can get, no matter whose? What if some of the other superheroes died if he hadn't sent them? I understand refusing help from people you don't like, Mark is well within his rights to not collaborate with them, but he can't stop them from helping those who actually need it.

Rogal Dorn

Ali. You are just in the wrong here. Sorry, not sorry.

MarisoL

Mark had a tantrum but Cecil did a shit job at de-escalating the situation. They were both right and wrong. Great episode.