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Loki 1x6

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Nazrel

I always felt thematically, it should have been "the Loki who won" not "He who remains" at the end there, it seemed like what they were building up too; instead of a rando they didn't set up in the narrative, and who only makes sense if you read the comics. You still could have had the whole Kang explanation and set up, they just defeated them at one point.

Mojo

Craziest thing. Season 2 of Loki is somehow even better.

Kyutoko

"Because you can't trust... and I can't be trusted" goes SO hard. That line is just, this is peak cinema right here.

KatoBen

27:58 No Way Home came out almost 6 months after Loki, and cannonicaly takes place after Loki Season 1. The evens here lead to Spider-Man: No Way Home. You watched it out of order. You're overthinking Infinity War and Endgame. Dr Strange wasn't looking at other worlds, he was looking at possibilities, essentially calculating actions and events that could lead to certain outcomes. There were no other universes involved at that time. When He-Who-Remains appeared, everyone who knew his character shrieked in glee. He is Kang the Conqueror, a villain even more dangerous than Thanos, because no matter how many times you kill him, a new, more powerful version of himself appears to replace him. He's called He-Who-Remains because he's the only Kang who remains, and so long as he controls the timeline to ensure that no version of him comes into existence, there will be no multiversal war. While Disney has parted ways with Majors, there's no guarantee they won't recast him later. (It's a shame too, he played the part of He-Who-Remains, a man who's lived a million lifetimes, so fucking well. Why are there so many actors with shitty pasts?)

Hein2208

I'm a comic book nerd, and this comment is nerdy comic-book-ish speculation. Feel free to ignore it: Spider-Man No Way Home released after season 1 of Loki, so it definitely fits within an unleashed multiverse. So in the sense any of this can have chronology and causality, the 3 Spider-Men coexist because of the events of Sylvie in this episode. However, I don't think that's the case for Dr. Strange in Infinity War or the time heist in Endgame. In Infinity War, Dr. Strange used the time stone to view possible futures. I think those futures only existed as visions produced by the time stone. They were hypothetical futures, not coexisting timelines. Once Dr. Strange made up his mind of what to do, the real future progressed from there, and that future is the good ol' sacred timeline. Endgame's time heist obviously did involve alternate timelines, but the Avengers made sure to clean up after themselves, as Hulk discussed with the Ancient One. They returned everything they took, so the branches they created got corrected back to how they should be. Now, they obviously couldn't fix everything (like the Loki from this show escaping), but that's where the TVA stepped in to handle it. So after the Avengers' and the TVA's efforts, Endgame still only results in one sustained timeline. Of course, now that Sylvie has allowed the multiverse to restart, it'll happen across the entire timeline, so in a sense, it was always happening.

Fable

He who remains created the tva and utilizes alioth to stop variants of himself from existing. So that there wouldn’t be multiverse war II. Not because of his ego. Ok maybe partly because of his ego but mostly to prevent all out war

Ten-ten

When Kang said "we just crossed the thresh hold" that's when Wanda became THE Scarlet witch. They have a sync video on that.

Richard

And this is where things get FREAKY! Alicia, pay CAREFUL attention to all of the dialogue that happens in the next season’s first episode, blink and you miss stuff.

Cold Pressing Mosquitos For Profit

That ending is one of my favorite things with time travel stories, you affected things and you don't get time to prepare because it already happened and time caught up the moment you changed it.

nervouspirate

Fun fact: Rick and Morty copped a lot from Kang the Conquerer in the comics, and then Marvel got Rick and Morty writers to make the MCU version of Kang the Conqueror

DeathHawk31

around 29:00, your contemplating is exactly what I was trying to touch base on when I commented on no way home, in that movie, alternate universes are not the same thing as alternate timelines even though are basically the same. As for Dr. Strange looking into alternate futures, I dunno, maybe magic will still let you see the branches even though they don't exist ensuring that Strange still chooses the correct sacred future

StorytellerDave

It is weird how they phrase it and frame it like a single timeline, when we know that there have to be multiple - Endgame literally causes a universe where Thanos leaves and just never snaps in the first place - and of course branches form and get pruned all the time, so I think it makes more sense to view it like a collection of threads, not just a single thread. Timelines that are all similar enough to one another that they don't cause any problems to He Who Remains. I think the point is simply that he has to exist himself, but no other version of him can ever reach a threshold where they'd be a threat to him.

Gustaf Hillertz

i think season 2 is self contained (free from spoiling other marvel stuff) if you want to start it right away

DrOverbuild8363

I really like the idea of He Who Remains and how this variant of him shows how terrifying his other selves could be without resorting to violence or just outright showing the audience. Almost like how the Doctor from Doctor Who manages to defeat and outsmart even the strongest and most powerful and in some cases kinda broken beings in his reality with nothing more than his words and a sonic screwdriver. Other than that I'm kinda surprised that Alicia was fully supportive of Silver killing He Who Remains. I kinda get her reasoning, but we're talking about someone who's variants are smart enough and strong enough to kill off entire armies of Avenger variants with ease......or at least that's the impression I got from that exchange.

RF

No Way Home took place after this, so Loki was the first introduction to multiverse stuff and then ends with the multiverse resetting thing so eventually you get to the No Way Home stuff. Also, if you line up both this and the WandaVision show side by side, the threshold moment happens at the exact moment that Wanda ascends as the Scarlet Witch. Before then you can also see behind the dude red light starts to glow before they hit the threshold.

Edward Zhou

So he's..... black Rick?

IFoundTheLight

this is a question thats not related to the show but is your model blurry for a reason? Its a curiosity thing nothing more.

Vectoris

I just wanna say, free will only exists for those who are alive to have it. The multiversal war would snuff infinitely more lives than pruning would. Pruning "prevents" those lives from existing in the first place, so in my personal opinion, is WAAAAY better than letting the Kangs kill an infinite number of existing people. Yes, it's still a matter of who has free will, but free will that comes at the cost of infinite death and destruction across the infinite multiverse? C'mon, that's just selfish.

Porpoise Power

She's gonna love the ending to S2. Also I really look forward to her reaction to Ms. Marvel

Porpoise Power

Honestly... it's I'm pretty sure its just a massive, maybe not plot hole but plot paradox... The Whole idea of the sacred timeline is that there aren't branching realities. Branching realities where Loki is an alligator, or defeated Thanos. The TVA is supposed to prune branches when variations deviated from the 'sacred timeline'. And yet all these variants exist in the first place. His timeline probably should have been pruned millions if not billions of years earlier. But he and his timeline was allowed to exist up to the point it some how deviated from the sacred timeline.

Kevin Bartelen

In Infinity War, Strange is looking at possible outcomes, but not other actual currently existing universes and the time travel shenanigans in End Game are what causes this show to happen. This therefor takes place after or perhaps slightly during End Game and every other movie that deals with the multiverse happens after Loki season 1. Mostly you can assume these movies more or less take place in release order with only a small handful of exceptions and it will all make sense.

mirvillous

Season 2 of Loki is pretty detached from the rest of the current MCU so it's more than welcomed to go straight into the next season 2. Judging by the way your reaction to the first season, season 2 is going to be a blast and even better. Can't wait 🙏

Hexx Gear

35:33 I can't find it atm but I love an edit someone did of showing this scene.. THE SPLIT OF THE TIMELINES. The unknown. Happens SIMULTANEOUSLY with Both Spiderman no way home: Peter interrupts Strange and breaks the spell. And end of wandavision showing Wanda reading the Dark hold book learning darkest secrets that upon reading can corrupt.. (and one other movie too but I don't want to say and spoil it for alica) But all that at same time and he who remains... "We just crossed... the threshold..."

Hexx Gear

Alica love you girl but I would absolutely be on loki side and not Sylvia when it comes to what to do with him. Free will sure it's great but millions upon millions of war and chaos while one timeline can prosper. Plus the multiversal war isn't a guarantee and the others could take out YOUR timeline, the sacred timeline no longer THE SACRED one. So no I believe the hardest decisions are needed in this moment. (Ps I watch loki season two and know the end btw I love this series and im just stating my opinion with knowledge we know atm)

Silver Blade

28:30 I think that multiverses are still on the sacred timeline... but if any one of them branch outside of "specs" they get pruned... BUT that could be a thing only possible if the TVA gets dismantled

Dorran

So, the crux of the whole "Sacred Timeline" is that it is all of the timelines that lead to... essentially this kind of a version of him. Any that would create a version that would reignite the war would be pruned. Honestly, though, this is all just... such a wonderful, wild ride, and... it is very true that, without the very specific character growth that our Loki went through, the temptation for the throne would probably win out. But our Loki has grown past that. Here's a wild thought: how many other times has he made this offer to a Loki or Lokis? Hmm? He's brilliant, and he is ruthless. He knows that, whatever happens, another variant like him is going to end up right back here. Failsafes within failsafe, and no compassion for any lives that need to be sacrificed. Sadly, Jonathan Majors, the actor who played He Who Remains, has... been cut by Marvel. It has caused some very significant disruption for their plans. I don't blame them for cutting him loose, given the conviction that he received, but I do rather lament the fact that he wound up going down... the path that he did. His other appearances really let you see just what he would have brought to the equation. Ah well. I know that they will figure something out.

ChaosSepher

NGL one of the moments I was the most eager to see Alicia react to was "Hey Y'all!" XD

Fuse

Alicia, he didn’t isolate his timeline, he made sure that only timelines that don’t lead to creating him exist. So the Sacred Timeline is a collection of universes that he has allowed to exist. The timeline branching is essentially recreating the multiverse and infinite possibilities just means infinite of the same things that happened before happen as well as new.

EthanEverhart

The way I've always thought about it is that there are multiple timelines on the sacred timelines. That they are allowed to exist but only because they don't come into conflict with each other.

khaliqtessi

Great watch, I really enjoyed rewatching it and seeing your reaction and thoughts! 👏 👏 I really hope you watch the What If series soon, that's probably my favorite bit of the Marvel Universe 😃

Mortis

Spider man no way home takes place after Loki

Xandarian Games

timeline wise, loki takes place after and before the entire mcu

Dr Shooty

I don't know what your watch schedule is, but I think you'd really like Agents of Shield. Was mostly cannon until endgame secrecy kinda screwed them but does a lot in the background of the various early films, and while clearly not as high budget as the later shows definitely has a charm to it!

CrazyChameleon

The funny thing is this whole premise less reminds me of marvel but rather an actually serious version of rick and morty and i'm 100% here for that XD

Vivica the witch

now imagine waiting like 2 years for season 2

Sal Lopez

When He Who Remains crossed the threshhold and didn't know what was happening, that's also when Peter and Doctor Strange broke the spell and unleashed the multiverse aka other variants

Lucky

funny thing is mobius DID actually betray renslayer. not the other way around. renslayer didnt change. mobius did. mobius decided their friendship couldnt continue and renslayer simply did what mobius would say she would have done throughout the eons of friendship. yes renslayer is wrong and mobius is right but he betrayed her for the lokis.

BakaSama

This He Who Remains (as in the MCU version) is not what I would have expected of a live-action version of Kang, but then this is a variant and not a Kang the Conqueror, so I guess it works. Very curious to see where this goes. Also, Ravonna/Judge Renslayer in the comics is the sometimes enemy, sometimes lover and sometimes successor of Kang the Conqueror. She was a princess that Kang pulled out of the 40th Century and trained to be an assassin.

Jacowab

(don't worry there are no spoilers in this message just nerd ranting) Marvels multiverse is not as simple as diverging timelines. The concept you are familiar with is a "quantum multiverse" where certain outcomes choices or events can split a timeline into multiple branches that can butterfly effect into wildly different universes over the course of time, basically everything you see in the loki series is an example of that. But marvel also has another multiverse that exists simultaneously with that quantum multiverse called a bubble universe. The one who remains said in this episode that he found other world layered on top of one another, that is a description of the quantum model, but the universe exists as a bubble of spacetime in higher dimensional space and by traveling through 4th dimensional space like with magic or a TVA tempad you can leave the bubble universe and fine other universes and extra dimensional planes, outside of the universe you find places like the TVA, Dormamu's dark dimension, and other universes like the X-Men Cinematic universe or the other two spiderman universes. A good example of this would be into the spiderverse, spider ham is not from a different timeline, he's from a separate universe with different rules and physics.

Emeradis

So.... I think Alioth MIGHT be the galactus from the fantastic four rise of the silver surfer movie. If that timeline got clipped, it only makes sense that he would be there.

Michael

Funny how she got basically the exact opposite point of He Who Remains than what it was.

Gildarts1#fan

this is a pretty good season finale.

Lilith-Eve (Call me Lily)

You're right, of course there would be other variants of himself who would want to defend and not conquer. Of course there would be. But that's irrelevant. They were all, more-or-less, evenly matched. They were all each-other after all. An endless stalemate, a temporal meat-grinder, WWI trenches across Time. But you forgot one thing. Alioth. Alioth is a unique entity across all time, always. THIS variant was the only one to find Alioth, 'tame' him, and thus tipped the balance. He Who Remains is He Who Remains because he was the only one who had the power to lock it all down.

Nightmareman99

Bro stopped multiversal war by killing everyone. Cant have a war if you don’t have soldiers ass

rainyfriday

So what I’m getting is, due to how time works, they think “if we kill this guy, this is going to happen,” but in reality, as soon as they kill that guy it has already happened.

Nami

Yeaa safe to say if she was in charge she would've got our universe clapped in an instant 😂. A multi universal being millions of years old told u there's worst than him and emits to doing bad for the greater good. And she like yeaa bs it can't possibly be worst than u 😂 gg everyone that's all