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Andor 2x1

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The show bad batch explains what happened to the clones

Malcolm Washingon

Regarding your discussion of why the empire is building the death star, in the current cannon stuff as is, the emperor is having it built in order to be able to use it to intimidate and silence those in the Senate who pushback and make shit harder(mothma and organa aren't the only ppl who speak out, and the imperial Senate does still hold a good amount of power). It's like the capstone onto of the tyrannical pyramid. The emperor could, with a single command and in less than 2 hours, have your entire planet destroyed and it wouldn't even cost him much. Now if you read the old books that are no longer cannon, I believe sidious had a premonition about a threat from outside the galaxy a while ago, and started having death star made so that when this new enemy appeared the empire could just blow it TF up

mon0_liz

The thing is, the Empire at this point hasn't yet "won" -- it has a lot of soft power, due to propaganda and old alliances, but all of that would not allow it to hold enough real authority to order the entire galaxy around. And if they did have the means, they would definitely not have the numbers required. Death Star is, like you said, an equivalent of a nuke. It would allow them to project power upon any system at will without ever needing to spend ungodly amounts of resources, both human and material, for a landing force and occupation.

Robert

The Empire doesn't have absolute power yet, it has vast armies and fleets but maintaining them is dependent on the compliance of imperial worlds, if enough of those worlds rebelled the empire would fall apart at the seams, and so for the time being the empire is playing nice with them. This means the worst of the empire's tyranny is focused on smaller outer rim worlds who aren't essential to the Empire's function. As it is, there are still vestiges of the Republic in the Empire's system, but the Empire itself wants to remove them, but can't yet without alienating the Core Worlds it relies on for support. The Death Star will change that, with it any world can be destroyed at the snap of a finger, so rely on those armies and fleets won't be as critical, no world would be able to leverage their position against the Empire for protection or privilege. And we're told this in A New Hope, as soon as the Death Star is complete and confirmed operational, the Empire immediately dissolves the Senate and arrests many of the remaining senators who are critical of the Empire. They place the control of each world in the empire under military governors, and any world that gets out of line can expect to be wiped out from existence... except the Death Star is destroyed shortly afterwards and the whole thing starts falling apart.

The Lazy Gamer

Don't think they know the Death Star was in the works even back in Episode 2.

King'sBard

btw this season is best watched in 3 episode chunks

Nym

What Alicia is saying about why the Death Star was created is fully 100% accurate, it like every extremely destructive weapon in history is meant as first and foremost a fear tactic, also of course a fascist/imperialist regime made a damn death weapon. Also pleasure stop bringing up the clones after ROTS they don't in any real capacity exist after the clone wars. I'm so excited for Bad Batch cause then they'll fully understand that clones ain't really around anymore. Edit: Thank you Coma/Koma(Idk how it's spelt) for getting it, when it comes to the clones. Edit2: Wait Alicia didn't know this was after the clone wars lmao!! Edit3: This entire comment has been made moot as I continued watching got to hyped.

Tyler Cloar

A weapon on the level of the Death Star takes years to develop. Palps has been playing the long game for a long time and knows that there will be a time when massive shows of power will be "necessary" to maintain the empire.

Rowdeemunkee

Shit, guess I should finally go watch it.

Wil DeYoung

Fun Fact: Since y'all were talking about why they made the Deathstar I thought I'd chime in with some lore. The Deathstar adheres to this thing in the Empire called the Tarkin Doctrine. It was something penned by Grand Moff Tarkin himself and is why a lot of the Empire's weaponry and vehicles are needlessly unrealistic but devastating. The doctrine basically says that fear is the most potent weapon so the entire Imperial arsenal is designed to inflict as much fear as possible. From the design of the Stormtrooper armor to the AT-AT walkers which are slow but powerful. The Deathstar is an extension of this, an existencial threat designed to keep people in line. Much like the nuke situation that Alicia mentioned, the Empire built it with the intention of using it at least once to let everyone know that not only was it real but they meant business.

Ebofa

The "Why the Fuck do we have Nukes" reminds me of a glorious Han Solo Rant from Legends (The Old Canon before Disney came and murdered it brutally), when someone from the Empire Remnant says that Palpatine would have been able to solve the latest problem facing the Galaxy no problem, and Solo just start shitting on how Palpatines solution to every problem was building some sort of grand doomsdays device with some tiny weakness that would cause the whole thing to blow up if tapped lightly. Throwing all of his eggs into one giant basket. I wish I could remember it proper, for it was absolutely glorious. Also insanely funny to me that the big piece of Evidence to the Cell that Cassian was a test pilot is the fact that there was a Tie Pilot helmet in the cockpit. Despite them having seen him exiting the Ship and the fact that he is wearing the matching flightsuit.

Marcello Reyes

With the Clones, the Empire discontinued it because it was costly to the new empire and Palpatine was paranoid of other people creating clones to battle him. Plus, conscripting regular people to become soldiers, makes them more "controlled" by the Empire.

Egregore

Unfortunately Disney gave the Andor showrunners way fewer episodes than they wanted to tell the full story so there’s a lot of timeskips and cut content this season.

A Four Headed Deer

I would just like to clarify, storm troopers are not clones. clones were discontinued in the first years of the empires rule because the emperor was paranoid. Imperial storm troopers are regular people who have been recruited from the general populous.

Egregore

The rebellion may not have been a thing when they started building the Death Star, but there were still many relatively powerful planetary governments that resisted or outright denounced imperial rule. The Death Star would have served as a perfect deterrent against all those insubordinate planets that the empire can’t easily control.

Legion

The conference Krennic had with the rest of the imperials to discuss what to do with the Ghormans is inspired by something truly horrid called the Wannsee Conference of 1942. As you can tell by the year, it was a meeting of Nazis to discuss what to do with the Jews in Germany

SquaredSpekz

Yes. BBY is Before the Battle of Yavin, where Luke blows up the Death Star.

SquaredSpekz

THE CLONES ARE NO MORE, STORMTROOPERS ARE REGULAR PEOPLE, NOT CLONES.

k HAN

In A New Hope, once the death star is complete the Emperor completely dissolves the Galactic Senate, becoming a true dictator. His plans are to use fear of annihilation to keep planets that were previously appeased by representation in the Imperial Government. As you guys watch the rest of Season 2, you may see why the Emperor would prefer things this way.

Cameron Meow

They are really trying hard to make people care about rich people drama

Noel

So i kinda hated that whole prototype fight/flight, he should have crashed more than once, like TIE's are cheap and mass produced, removed astromech droids from the design and not rly durable at all including (in the last part at least) TIE Avenger that Cassian stole.

Phantom Penance

How stupid were Maya Pei’s Brigade? They never asked the important questions. Why would an Imperial test pilot drive an experimental fighter to their exact location? Why isn’t there a Star destroyer hovering above them? Why aren’t they being surrounded by stormtroopers the moment the pilot was captured? The Brigade clearly lost their most competent rebels.

Iain McDonald

With regards to "Why build the Death Star." It's actually shown constantly through Andor (and even in the scene where he asked the question). The Empire is powerful yes, but they can't just do what they want. They still have to placate the senate, and honestly at any point in the Empire's exitance, if all the rest of the galaxy decided to just say "No, fuck you" the Empire would be screwed. They needed the Death Star as their ultimate "I win" button, that if anyone got too uppity, it could hyperspace to their planet and wipe them out. It's also why the 2nd Death Star in Return of the Jedi makes sense. The galaxy had seen the Empire's plan, and with no senate open rebellion became inevitable, so they needed a new Death Star asap to solve that problem.

BreadCEO

36:00 as far as I understand, the Clone project was scrapped because it was extremely expensive just to create a couple 100k of them, while drafting from planets around the galaxy can give you tens of millions of cheap troops. Quantity over quality.

Patrick Waldeck

The Death Star program wasn't super popular with certain Admirals in the navy, who wanted to basically just upgrade their regular star destroyers and roll out new, better TIE fighters instead, which would have been waaaaaay more cost effective. But the Emperor wanted a planet killer to make everyone in the galaxy shit their pants at the thought of resistance.

James

I dont know if this counts as spoilers. If you want to know exactly what happens to the clones you need to watch the bad batch which is after clone wars.

Julio Castillo

In the old Canon the reason why Palpatine ordered the construction of the 2 Deathstars was.... One... to keep the entire Galaxy in a state of fear of their planets being blown up and therefore securing total Imperial Domination. But most importantly.... the Deathstars were Palpatine's preventive defense measure against the upcoming Yuuzhan Vong invasion, an entire species from another Galaxy that were coming to conquer this one (the Yuuzhan Vong are basically the Star Wars equivalent of the Tyranids from Warhammer 40K). In the new Canon... the Yuuzhan Vong plotline was completely scrapped in favor of... whatever the Sequel Trilogy movies were doing, so here the Deathstars were left being just a Fear and Power Tactic by Palpatine, which in retrospective does make him look far more short-sighted.

Brendon Blouin

No spoilers but clone troopers doesn't equal storm troopers. Also you can see the death star plans in Attack of the Clones it wasn't a new idea

Rampage melone

It's not about an enemy that's currently in the universe; it's about what future enemies the Empire will face. Palpatine is a Sith lord who's good at making strategies, so his approach this time around is to build a weapon so big and so terrifying that nobody would ever dare go against the Empire. He also might be able to see the future... not sure on that one, but if it were true, he would know that a rebellion is about to start and would be trying to destroy any dissenting opinions.

James S

Low key the Death Star *is* stupid. The problem is that the Emperor, while deeply cunning and great at acquiring power, is also essentially a religious fanatic, something that I think a lot of people tend to overlook. And his religion (the Sith) worships power, control, domination of others, and a philosophy of social darwinism. Once he became the Emperor, he wasn't satisfied with having "won", he had to prove his ideology right and try to imprint it on the whole galaxy, even when it was counterproductive. For example, a military works best when everyone in it knows that they can depend on everyone else who wears the same uniform to have their back. Palpatine changed it into to reflect his social darwinist beliefs, thinking that the strongest would rise up and the weak would be cast aside. Instead the officers who were best at playing the political game or had the most connections rose up the ranks regardless of their skill while more talented officers had their careers stagnate or cut short. It also split the Imperial military into factions and a snake's nest of in-fighting, where it was known that rival commanders and officers might abandon or refuse to support you in a time of need, or send you out on missions where you were expected to be killed. The Death Star was the ultimate attempt at power and control, and it was just another expression of Palpatine's attempt to implement his vision of domination over the galaxy.

Julian Holcroft

Kleya is probably my favorite character in star wars closely followed by K-2SO